many wives is this a sin?
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Why would anyone come to a Christian site and say the Lord Jesus Christ is irrelevant to the topic of his thread and yet want Christians to prove with scripture (the Word, which is Jesus Christ the Lord) that his carnal philosophy is incorrect?
And there ya have it, folks! Spelled right out for you.
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It's apples and oranges.
Lust is a sin. However no where in OT says so. God has a rather absolute set of Law for the final judgement to be carried out. This set of Law could possibly applicable to both humans and angels. This set of Law is the base to judge "who shall enter Heaven - the eternity built for God to live with humans and angels and forever".
Adam broke this set of Law that humans are thus no longer living inside God's realm. We are actually in a realm where Satan can be said to be the god of our world. No one thus is expected to be able to keep God's Law in full. No one can thus pass the judgment of God's Law to be saved. Humans will have to rely on God's Grace through Jesus Christ to be saved one way or another.
God's Grace is granted through a series of covenants. The first one came with Noah. A covenant simply says that "since you humans cannot abide by God's Law in full, you only need to abide by a set-aside set of Law (such as Mosaic Law for the Jews) to a said standard such that you will be saved by God's Grace through Jesus Christ.
That is to say, by a covenant granted one can be saved without abiding by God's Law in its full. For the Jews, as long as they abide by the Mosaic Law (with Moses as the accuser), they can thus be saved by God's Grace (through Christ).
"Many wives" just like "lust is a sin" breaks God's Law in an absolute sense. However, it can be legitimate to the Jews to so as Moses didn't ban it. The main reason is (like divorce) that,
Matthew 19:8 (NIV)
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. "
Lust is a sin. However no where in OT says so. God has a rather absolute set of Law for the final judgement to be carried out. This set of Law could possibly applicable to both humans and angels. This set of Law is the base to judge "who shall enter Heaven - the eternity built for God to live with humans and angels and forever".
Adam broke this set of Law that humans are thus no longer living inside God's realm. We are actually in a realm where Satan can be said to be the god of our world. No one thus is expected to be able to keep God's Law in full. No one can thus pass the judgment of God's Law to be saved. Humans will have to rely on God's Grace through Jesus Christ to be saved one way or another.
God's Grace is granted through a series of covenants. The first one came with Noah. A covenant simply says that "since you humans cannot abide by God's Law in full, you only need to abide by a set-aside set of Law (such as Mosaic Law for the Jews) to a said standard such that you will be saved by God's Grace through Jesus Christ.
That is to say, by a covenant granted one can be saved without abiding by God's Law in its full. For the Jews, as long as they abide by the Mosaic Law (with Moses as the accuser), they can thus be saved by God's Grace (through Christ).
"Many wives" just like "lust is a sin" breaks God's Law in an absolute sense. However, it can be legitimate to the Jews to so as Moses didn't ban it. The main reason is (like divorce) that,
Matthew 19:8 (NIV)
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. "
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That said, God allows Abraham to have more than one wives just for the Jews to populate without the inter-marriages with the Canaanites who worshiping the idol gods. By the time of Exodus, this is no longer a necessity. The Jews still demand many wives for their own reasons (as their hearts were hard).
God is eternally faithful. If anyone has any questions, they can ask God who will answer. Nobody needs answers from a forum ~ they need to trust God! 
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I've mulled over all of this as well and know my own sins...I think some folks gloss over their sins and just do no understand the depth or depravity of fallen mankind. They don't understand who God really is, never mind that He sent His only Son to die...WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS as scripture says.
I am talking about Christians.
David was a man after God's own heart...and yet David was a sinful man. These women; I cannot say for sure, but maybe they had that kind of heart as well? Although circumstance and sin can create judgement, it is as you say. God saw His creation as she was meant to be...not the pitiful creature told to leave a perfect world and what she has endured from men ever since then (she meaning women)
I have to be careful how I word this, but God chooses ... as He alone is the judge of he heart, I'm guessing that is where it all starts.
The most pious act can appear righteous and God disdains it because He sees past the actions to the rotten core.
Men have been very busy degrading women throughout history and many only begrudgingly offer acknowledgement that they are more than a handy household item even now...Christian men included.
Israel wanted a king...so God gave them one...tall, good-looking and commanding attention. Meantime, a shepherd boy caught God's attention (using figurative speech here) and God thought 'when that king you ordered has spoiled all of you and ruined you in wars you cannot win without me, I'll introduce you to someone you would overlook on your own'
Everybody sins in the Bible...but not everybody has a heart for God.
God is far and way past the ideas being presented here from a human viewpoint...including those who think they know scripture.
God is about knowing and us knowing Him.
Paul says we will be like Him when we finally see Him...in fact we will become LIKE Him...as much as we can know Him now, is how we see Him now
that's not mystical...that's just a fact
as an aside, I think the op is actually muslim....if he actually is a Christian? only God knows
obviously, he has no regard for truth, never mind THE truth
I do wish folks would stop feeding it though
I am talking about Christians.
David was a man after God's own heart...and yet David was a sinful man. These women; I cannot say for sure, but maybe they had that kind of heart as well? Although circumstance and sin can create judgement, it is as you say. God saw His creation as she was meant to be...not the pitiful creature told to leave a perfect world and what she has endured from men ever since then (she meaning women)
I have to be careful how I word this, but God chooses ... as He alone is the judge of he heart, I'm guessing that is where it all starts.
The most pious act can appear righteous and God disdains it because He sees past the actions to the rotten core.
Men have been very busy degrading women throughout history and many only begrudgingly offer acknowledgement that they are more than a handy household item even now...Christian men included.
Israel wanted a king...so God gave them one...tall, good-looking and commanding attention. Meantime, a shepherd boy caught God's attention (using figurative speech here) and God thought 'when that king you ordered has spoiled all of you and ruined you in wars you cannot win without me, I'll introduce you to someone you would overlook on your own'
Everybody sins in the Bible...but not everybody has a heart for God.
God is far and way past the ideas being presented here from a human viewpoint...including those who think they know scripture.
God is about knowing and us knowing Him.
Paul says we will be like Him when we finally see Him...in fact we will become LIKE Him...as much as we can know Him now, is how we see Him now
that's not mystical...that's just a fact
as an aside, I think the op is actually muslim....if he actually is a Christian? only God knows
obviously, he has no regard for truth, never mind THE truth
I do wish folks would stop feeding it though
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And there you have it. They don't want to hear about Jesus, they want you to focus on the carnal, the intellectual, the world.
Paul claimed to know nothing among the believers except Christ and him crucified. Jesus Christ can’t be recognized according to the flesh. We have a lot of fleshy explanations that have to be put to death.
We’ve been given the mind of Christ, and yet we too often insist on listening with the ears of logic. Trying to figure everything out when God has everything engineered already in Christ. It’s finished.
The world’s wisdom demands that we need to take care of business because it believes that nothing will happen unless WE do it. The logic of the fleshly mind scoffs at the absurdity that any real value is found in the expectation of God’s promise. That old logic can accept a BALANCE between flesh and spirit, but it’s nothing more than lip-service, which is the basis of religion.
Speak of freedom in Christ and watch the red flags go up. It is a shame that we miss the freedom of being free because we keep listening to people focused on flesh and sin. When you are focused on Jesus, you are not focused on sin, law, flesh, or the world.
Whatever God had actually spoken to individuals in times past - whether recorded or not - ultimately testified of Christ, who is the EVERYTHING of God. Christians whose perspective is on collected written words forces them to serve a textbook or owner's manual or as some call it: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. That is how the mindset instigates the same concepts and reactions as it did with the Pharisees when Jesus walked among them.
Folks:
We were in darkness, now we are in Light.
We were dead in sins, now we are alive to God through Christ.
We were opposed to righteousness, now we are righteousness.
We were unbelieving, now we are believers through HIM.
We were impure, now we have been made pure.
It is finished. Jesus Christ reigns in us.
Any person who insists on focusing on the flesh, on sin, on the world, on laws, on traditions of men, is not walking in the spirit and does not care what the will of God is. They are self-motivated and can only speak about fleshly things.
Don’t think it’s strange that this thread keeps being commandeered by one imposter after another. They are blind trolls (guides) and have no idea what they’re doing. They keep leading you up a rabbit trail of flesh and want you to follow them around like sheep. Their motive is fleshly, demonic, and ignorant of God. Stop following them.
But we have the mind of Christ.
Paul claimed to know nothing among the believers except Christ and him crucified. Jesus Christ can’t be recognized according to the flesh. We have a lot of fleshy explanations that have to be put to death.
We’ve been given the mind of Christ, and yet we too often insist on listening with the ears of logic. Trying to figure everything out when God has everything engineered already in Christ. It’s finished.
The world’s wisdom demands that we need to take care of business because it believes that nothing will happen unless WE do it. The logic of the fleshly mind scoffs at the absurdity that any real value is found in the expectation of God’s promise. That old logic can accept a BALANCE between flesh and spirit, but it’s nothing more than lip-service, which is the basis of religion.
Speak of freedom in Christ and watch the red flags go up. It is a shame that we miss the freedom of being free because we keep listening to people focused on flesh and sin. When you are focused on Jesus, you are not focused on sin, law, flesh, or the world.
Whatever God had actually spoken to individuals in times past - whether recorded or not - ultimately testified of Christ, who is the EVERYTHING of God. Christians whose perspective is on collected written words forces them to serve a textbook or owner's manual or as some call it: Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. That is how the mindset instigates the same concepts and reactions as it did with the Pharisees when Jesus walked among them.
Folks:
We were in darkness, now we are in Light.
We were dead in sins, now we are alive to God through Christ.
We were opposed to righteousness, now we are righteousness.
We were unbelieving, now we are believers through HIM.
We were impure, now we have been made pure.
It is finished. Jesus Christ reigns in us.
Any person who insists on focusing on the flesh, on sin, on the world, on laws, on traditions of men, is not walking in the spirit and does not care what the will of God is. They are self-motivated and can only speak about fleshly things.
Don’t think it’s strange that this thread keeps being commandeered by one imposter after another. They are blind trolls (guides) and have no idea what they’re doing. They keep leading you up a rabbit trail of flesh and want you to follow them around like sheep. Their motive is fleshly, demonic, and ignorant of God. Stop following them.
But we have the mind of Christ.
just wow
AWESOME AWESOME post
beautiful..can't rep right now...but really, this is so far past even needing one
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Eeeek! No way Jose, I am not for Calvinism at all. Actually, Calvinists don't like me at all. I am saying that the message is Christ and people keep making it a message about how people cleaned themselves up. Nope!
It is a spiritual life, not a fleshly one. Of course we know in our hearts that those women were called of God and their lives were changed. But the message is still a spiritual one ~ Jesus Christ.
There's no way we can take the Bible and try to incorporate it into our lives in an intellectual way. The flesh receives nothing from God because it's impossible. Did you hear that? IMPOSSIBLE! Either we surrender these ditzy immature squabbles and vain babblings about what sin is, what sin was, who sinned and who didn't, or we miss the reality of Jesus Christ now.
It is a spiritual life, not a fleshly one. Of course we know in our hearts that those women were called of God and their lives were changed. But the message is still a spiritual one ~ Jesus Christ.
There's no way we can take the Bible and try to incorporate it into our lives in an intellectual way. The flesh receives nothing from God because it's impossible. Did you hear that? IMPOSSIBLE! Either we surrender these ditzy immature squabbles and vain babblings about what sin is, what sin was, who sinned and who didn't, or we miss the reality of Jesus Christ now.
Just because something was culturally accepted and mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean it wasn't sinful. There are some denominations of Christianity that will take this being mentioned in the Bible to mean that it is something God would approve of. The Pharisees were mentioned too, but we aren't to mimic them. lol