Mark of the Beast --- 666

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Nov 3, 2014
1,045
5
0
Exactly as I see the situation .... the time is soon

The Lord's hour [time] of trial and judgment could begin before this day is over [Matthew 24:36-39; Revelation 3:10]
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,402
113
True.
666/ the number of a man -Mohammad.

If we look at it simply - right now there are 6 out 7 Billion (roughly, depending the source) people who claim some sort of a religion today- I just wonder, how can an antiChrist establish a mark when the whole world is basically waiting for, expecting, .....so they can deny taking it? .
God will send strong delusion and those who will not receive the LOVE of the TRUTH will be deluded into taking the mark.
2nd Thessalonians 2:10-12
 

Reborn

Senior Member
Nov 16, 2014
4,087
217
63
God will send strong delusion and those who will not receive the LOVE of the TRUTH will be deluded into taking the mark.
Ahhh, yes brother. Billions throughout history do/did have strong delusion=taking the spiritual mark, believing the Quran... and Mohammed.

I'm always wondering who will enforce this mark? Military? Cops? Services?....won't they be refusing the marks themselves? So if it comes to pass an AntiChrist pushes a mark, and so many will "refuse" the mark, then the few million who do end up taking it, makes/seems not really worth of being mention in prophecy or take up the bulk of an entire book in the Bible?

Of course the rest of my ideas on Revelation are the day-year principle thought process.

Matthew 12:39 [TABLE="class: maintable3, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: maintable3, width: 100%"]
[TR]
[TD]
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TD]

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I personally believe this verse eliminates most of the popular held end time theories....for a Trib, an AntiChrist etc.....are all "signs" to me.

I believe/understanding the end times is crucial to my walk. Since we are living in them, I believe God wants us to understand what, why and how these last days will happen. It also let's us know there is a sense of spiritual urgency....by not waiting for any AntiChrist, etc. Understanding Revelation now brings light on the entire NT, letting the reader understand today, what the past generations wanted to see and understand so badly.
 
Nov 3, 2014
1,045
5
0
The Lord has revealed the end from the beginning .... and most of what is revealed has come through the controversy between the two contenders over His land and His Jerusalem .... Israel and the nation's surrounding enemies .... today these are primarily of the Muslim religion [one that defies Him and strives to remove Him from the setting] .... He is the "Son" that they deny

.... and replace Him with "Allah" .... a fictitious "god" that does not even exist .... this is Satan's cover

And the "mark" will be enforced by the ones who will kill those that refuse to submit .... to "Allah"

This behavior is already in the making as we speak ..... in the Middle East where the beast will return to rule again over his kingdoms of the past according to scripture [Revelation 13] .... notice His symbolic trappings of the past

And the other prophets like Ezekiel, Daniel, Joel, Mica, and Zechariah fill in the details

Jerusalem is the Lord's and He is going to prove this out soon .... and Israel happens to be His kin of the promise

The Muslims are headed for massive destruction at Armageddon
 
Last edited:
Nov 3, 2014
1,045
5
0
Connect the dots of scripture and know the truth about Satan's beast and his strategy for usurping the Lord's position for himself during the coming tribulation of the Lord's judgment.... this the devil strives for [Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28]


..... Satan is being drawn to his defeat in front of all to see

[Ezekiel 38: 39; Daniel 2:40-43; 7:7-25; 9:26-27; [the other prince that shall come] [Abaddon]; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 16:1-16; 17:8-18; 19:11-21; 20:1-3; 10]
 

bafa

Senior Member
Nov 30, 2014
178
5
18
i personaly believe that it is in a man's perception (he or she is a man) nowadays.
And that God revealed it to me for my protection: i saw that somewhere in the bible i just couldn't remember but i will try to find it again (it's in somewhere New Testament i know):cool: "and that man"
Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
since revelation has been taking place anywhere now (also in the old times); means because of Jesus Christ's sacrifice so we can be able to pray directly to God, God grant us to have an individual choice to deal as how we choose life will be. and that is a journey. that this man choose something that is more short cut and fast to reason life; but is not:( because he doesn't even understand anything. why? because he pollutes his temple which are more weaker than our spirits:

41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matthew 26

that this man thinks that he can but couldn't because he is weak in the body just as we are before. i'd experienced that also long time ago emphasizing things on my own understanding (but not in a childish way because our father did not raised us to be like that)because of substances willing or unwilling that my body is taking. and i usually get a lot of arguing and quarrels..and i thank God that he had given me a strong will power through the holy spirit to fight agains't that thing.

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
1 Timothy 5 kjv


 

VCO

Senior Member
Oct 14, 2013
11,995
4,615
113
i personaly believe that it is in a man's perception (he or she is a man) nowadays.
And that God revealed it to me for my protection: i saw that somewhere in the bible i just couldn't remember but i will try to find it again (it's in somewhere New Testament i know):cool: "and that man"
Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
since revelation has been taking place anywhere now (also in the old times); means because of Jesus Christ's sacrifice so we can be able to pray directly to God, God grant us to have an individual choice to deal as how we choose life will be. and that is a journey. that this man choose something that is more short cut and fast to reason life; but is not:( because he doesn't even understand anything. why? because he pollutes his temple which are more weaker than our spirits:

41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matthew 26

that this man thinks that he can but couldn't because he is weak in the body just as we are before. i'd experienced that also long time ago emphasizing things on my own understanding (but not in a childish way because our father did not raised us to be like that)because of substances willing or unwilling that my body is taking. and i usually get a lot of arguing and quarrels..and i thank God that he had given me a strong will power through the holy spirit to fight agains't that thing.

23Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
1 Timothy 5 kjv


That was the common remedy for severe acid indigestion in Paul's day. NOTICE PAUL DID NOT OFFER TO COME HEAL HIM. Those miracle Gifts were gone, but the New Testament Writers, were all Confirmed by that time. The JEWS required a miricale SIGN gift before they would believe a prophet was speaking from GOD.

Mark 16:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the accompanying signs.
 
Last edited:

bafa

Senior Member
Nov 30, 2014
178
5
18
That was the common remedy for severe acid indigestion in Paul's day. NOTICE PAUL DID NOT OFFER TO COME HEAL HIM. Those miracle Gifts were gone, but the New Testament Writers, were all Confirmed by that time. The JEWS required a miricale SIGN gift before they would believe a prophet was speaking from GOD.

Mark 16:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word by the accompanying signs.
:confused:
Are you familiar with copyrights? i think you have an issues with the Jews.. and i thought i'm a Jew also.
 

bafa

Senior Member
Nov 30, 2014
178
5
18
:rolleyes:i know the difference between drunkards and occasionally drinkers. i saw that in the bible:

4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31
 
Dec 3, 2014
271
2
0
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Pay attention to the word 'count'. Here is the Greek definition:

G5585
ψηφίζω
psēphizō
psay-fid'-zo
From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute: - count.

And here is the root of that word:

G5586
ψῆφος
psēphos
psay'-fos
From the same as G5584; a pebble (as worn smooth by handling), that is, (by implication of use as a counter or ballot) a verdict (of acquittal) or ticket (of admission); a vote: - stone, voice.

It means to enumerate by stones worn smooth over a long period of time. To simplify that, it means to discover or learn something by long time study.

If you study over a long period of time, you will discover that Revelation 13:8 means that satan, that man of sin, the son of perdition returns to this earth at the 6th Trump, the 6th Seal, and the 6th Vial.

2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

There is only one 'named' son of GOD that is sentenced to death at this time and that is satan, the son of perdition. Perdition means to die.

Here is where he was sentenced to death:

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

The devil will be turned to ashes from the inside out.
 
Dec 3, 2014
271
2
0
The Hebrew dictionary is the wrong dictionary. It's the wrong word. Revelation was taken from the Greek manuscripts.
You should use the Strongs Hebrew and Greek dictionaries along with the King James Bible with Strongs numbers.

If you take a look at the list of Bible verses that the word you listed is located in, you will find that Revelation 13:18 is not there.
You will also notice that no verses are listed for Revelation at all.
 
Last edited:

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
The Julio-Claudian dynasty

Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero,

[1] or the family to which they belonged; they ruled the Roman Empire from its formation,
in the second half of the 1st century (44/31/27) BC, until AD 68, when the last of the line, Nero, committed suicide

Julio-Claudian dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Roman emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Adoption in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of the Julio-Claudians were succeeded by their sons;

1 Augustus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Augustus (Latin: Imperator Caesar Divi F. Augustus; 23 September 63 BC – 19 August 14 AD) was
the founder of the Roman Empire and its first Emperor, ruling from 27 BC until his death in 14 AD

He was born Gaius Octavius into an old and wealthy equestrian branch of the plebeian Octavii family.
Roman aristocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Plebs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Octavia (gens) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Following the assassination of his maternal great-uncle Julius Caesar in 44 BC,
Caesar's will named Octavius as his adopted son and heir

He was succeeded as Emperor by his adopted son (also stepson and former son-in-law), Tiberius.

2 Tiberius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tiberius (/ta?'b??ri?s/; Latin: Tiberius Caesar Divi Augusti filius Augustus;16 November 42 BC – 16 March 37 AD)
was Roman Emperor from 14 AD to 37 AD. Born Tiberius Claudius Nero, a Claudian,

Tiberius was the son of Tiberius Claudius Nero and Livia Drusilla.
His mother divorced Nero and married Augustus in 39 BC, making him a step-son of Octavian.

Tiberius would later marry Augustus' daughter Julia the Elder (from his marriage to Scribonia)
and even later be adopted by Augustus, by which act he officially became a Julian,
bearing the name Tiberius Julius Caesar.

Caligula, Tiberius' grand-nephew and adopted grandson, succeeded Tiberius upon his death.

3 Caligula - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Caligula" (/k?'l?gj?l?/; Latin: Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
was the popular nickname of Gaius (31 August AD 12 – 22 January AD 41), Roman emperor (AD 37–41).

Caligula's father Germanicus, the nephew and adopted son of Emperor Tiberius, was a very successful general
With the death of Tiberius in AD 37, Caligula succeeded his great uncle and adoptive grandfather as Emperor.

on the day of the assassination of the Emperor Caligula, the Praetorian Guard declared Caligula's uncle, Claudius, the next Roman Emperor.

4 Claudius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Claudius (/'kl??di?s/; Classical Latin: ['klawd??s], Latin: Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
1 August 10 BC – 13 October 54 AD) was Roman emperor from 41 to 54.

the son of Drusus and Antonia Minor. He was born at Lugdunum in Gaul,
the first Roman Emperor to be born outside Italy.

declared Emperor by the Praetorian Guard after Caligula's assassination, at which point he was the last man of his family.

During his reign the Empire began the conquest of Britain
(if the earlier invasions of Britain by Caesar and Caligula's aborted attempt are not counted).

After his death in 54 AD (at age of 63), his grand-nephew and adopted son Nero succeeded him as Emperor

5 Nero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nero (/'n??ro?/; Latin: Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus;
[1] 15 December 37 – 9 June 68)
[2] was Roman Emperor from 54 to 68, and the last in the Julio-Claudian dynasty.

Nero was adopted by his great-uncle Claudius to become his heir and successor,
and succeeded to the throne in 54 following Claudius' death.

Through Octavia, Nero was the great-nephew of Caesar Augustus
Nero annexed the Bosporan Kingdom to the Empire and began the First Roman–Jewish War.

In 64 AD, most of Rome was destroyed in the Great Fire of Rome,
which many Romans believed Nero himself had started , then blamed jews

He died on 9 June 68, the anniversary of the death of Octavia, and was buried
in the Mausoleum of the Domitii Ahenobarbi, in what is now the Villa Borghese (Pincian Hill) area of Rome
 
Last edited:

prove-all

Senior Member
May 16, 2014
5,977
400
83
63
unholy roman empire unions

Holy Roman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/…/Coronation_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empe…

1st resurrection - Justinian in 554AD. He recognized the pope as the supreme religious leader and empowered him.
Justinian I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justinian the Great, was a Byzantine (East Roman) emperor from 527 to 565.
During his reign, Justinian sought to revive the empire's greatness a
nd reconquer the lost western half of the historical Roman Empire.

The cognomen Iustinianus which he took later is indicative of adoption by his uncle Justin
Cognomen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2nd resurrection - Charlemagne crowned by the pope in 800AD.
Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charlemagne reached the height of his power in 800 when he was crowned "emperor"
by Pope Leo III on Christmas Day

Called the "Father of Europe", Charlemagne united most of Western Europe for the first time since the Roman Empire.


3rd resurrection - Otto the Great crowned by the pope in 962AD.
Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Otto I (23 November 912 – 7 May 973), also known as Otto the Great, was German king from 936 and emperor of the Holy Roman Empire from 962 until his death in 973.

Following the example of Charlemagne's coronation as
"Emperor of the Romans" in 800, Otto was crowned Emperor in 962 by Pope John XII in Rome.


4th resurrection - Charles V crowned by the pope in 1520AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor


5th resurrection - Napoleon crowned by the pope in 1805
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_Napoleon_I

6th resurrection - Hitler/Mussolini empowered by Pope Pius XII.
Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some post-war critics have accused Pius of either being overly cautious, or of "not doing enough,"
or even of "silence" in the face of the Holocaust.

http://www.bing.com/images/search…

Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When Benito Mussolini became the Italian leader before World War ii, he called his regime the Holy Roman Empire
As Benito Mussolini’s grip on Italy tightened during the 1920s, he proclaimed the Holy Roman Empire restored.

In February 1929, Mussolini signed a pact with the Vatican, making Roman Catholicism the only recognized religion in fascist Italy. This agreement, known as the Lateran Treaty, delighted Pope Pius xi, who spoke of Mussolini as “a man sent by Providence.”

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


7th resurrection - forming in Europe now.
 
Nov 3, 2014
1,045
5
0
The beast from the abyss and Satan's little horn of Daniel's visions was not Nero

The appearance of this one is still pending and will be future a ruler of the Middle East

In fact the ancient ancient Roman kings are not even in the scope of the prophetic scriptures

The view presented above is a product of historical/ preteristic theology and is not a viable interpretation of Bible prophecy

The scope of the visions contain none of the events of the past 2000 years and is silent .... only have men inserted things which are not contained in the scope of the prophet's records
 
Last edited:

john832

Senior Member
May 31, 2013
11,389
193
63
The beast from the abyss and Satan's little horn of Daniel's visions was not Nero

The appearance of this one is still pending and will be future a ruler of the Middle East

In fact the ancient ancient Roman kings are not even in the scope of the prophetic scriptures

The view presented above is a product of historical/ preteristic theology and is not a viable interpretation of Bible prophecy
Well, we see this much differently.
 
Nov 3, 2014
1,045
5
0
Can you give any of the prophetic visions that specifically define and name any earthly events over the past 2000 years?

You cannot, because none are there .... absolutely none

No ancient Roman Empire, no Arabian Empire [bigger than the Roman], no Crusades or inquisition, no WW1 or WW2, no Holocaust, none of the recent wars between Israel and the Muslims, no Persian Gulf wars, etc

These are significant world events and none are mentioned in the scope of any vision .... not even 70 AD

70 AD was not the time of the end obviously .... and neither does the Lord include the period in his discourse .... He is looking much further to the end of this present age and the 70th week decreed for Israel .... same as the coming tribulation period