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RachelBibleStudent

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Do you suppose God would have His creation freeze in the winter lest they sin and turn on a furnace...
oh and scripture actually does comment on this one...

exodus 35:3..."You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day."

apparently you are perfectly ok with -changing God's law- to keep yourself from getting chilly...
 
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So all these people who can't worship on Saturday, what do they do?
They can worship on Sabbath. Just because we need some people to volunteer their services on Sabbath for the welfare of others is no reason to make void the Command.

Surely, you understand that emergencies occur everyday,,even on Sabbath.

If you work at walmart on Sabbath,,it is sinning. First off,,, going shopping on Sabbath is sinful... I don't buy nor sell on the Sabbath.

If you are a nurse and you have folks that need care on Sabbath,, go,, take care of them.. it is not unlawful to do good and help folks that are sick on the Sabbath.

If you are a police officer.. Then you can still worship on Sabbath, and go to your job.. Same with a fireman.

But,, if you run a bowling alley,,, you should close it on Sabbath.

Really,, this is all simple common sense.


My wife is an RN... She helps people,,even on Sabbath.
 
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No,, I'm not.

Do you do any reasoning? Does God expect all sick people in hospitals to have nobody caring for them on Sabbath....

Do you expect God desires your house burn down on sabbath,, with no fireman to help you?

Do you think God desires every country to relax their Military on Sabbath, that they can easily be attacked?

Do you reason these things with a sound mind?

Do you suppose God would have His creation freeze in the winter lest they sin and turn on a furnace...


If you have a medical emergency,, Does God command that your loved one do without care on Sabbath?

Do you have any sense?
i should also add that while sabbath keepers have a lot of explaining to do here...these issues pose no problem for the rest of us...

the bible says that christians are all priests of God...the work we do on the sabbath is done 'to the glory of God' as is all the rest of the work we do...so as priests we are permitted to serve God through our work on the sabbath...just like the old testament priests and jesus broke the sabbath yet remained innocent because they were doing a service to God...
 
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They can worship on Sabbath. Just because we need some people to volunteer their services on Sabbath for the welfare of others is no reason to make void the Command.

Surely, you understand that emergencies occur everyday,,even on Sabbath.

If you work at walmart on Sabbath,,it is sinning. First off,,, going shopping on Sabbath is sinful... I don't buy nor sell on the Sabbath.

If you are a nurse and you have folks that need care on Sabbath,, go,, take care of them.. it is not unlawful to do good and help folks that are sick on the Sabbath.

If you are a police officer.. Then you can still worship on Sabbath, and go to your job.. Same with a fireman.

But,, if you run a bowling alley,,, you should close it on Sabbath.

Really,, this is all simple common sense.


My wife is an RN... She helps people,,even on Sabbath.
UMMM But since when is the internet even a need? Isn't that on the same level as a bowling alley?
 
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i should also add that while sabbath keepers have a lot of explaining to do here...these issues pose no problem for the rest of us...

the bible says that christians are all priests of God...the work we do on the sabbath is done 'to the glory of God' as is all the rest of the work we do...so as priests we are permitted to serve God through our work on the sabbath...just like the old testament priests and jesus broke the sabbath yet remained innocent because they were doing a service to God...

Jesus never broke the Sabbath,, you are lost! lol

If you believe Jesus is a sinner,, and it's fairly clear that you think Jesus is just full of sin.. Perhaps Muhammed would be a better choice as a savior for you. Cause according to you,, Jesus is a mere sinner,,, so surely you don't think a sinning Jesus is the Messiah?
 

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They can worship on Sabbath. Just because we need some people to volunteer their services on Sabbath for the welfare of others is no reason to make void the Command.

Surely, you understand that emergencies occur everyday,,even on Sabbath.

If you work at walmart on Sabbath,,it is sinning. First off,,, going shopping on Sabbath is sinful... I don't buy nor sell on the Sabbath.

If you are a nurse and you have folks that need care on Sabbath,, go,, take care of them.. it is not unlawful to do good and help folks that are sick on the Sabbath.

If you are a police officer.. Then you can still worship on Sabbath, and go to your job.. Same with a fireman.

But,, if you run a bowling alley,,, you should close it on Sabbath.

Really,, this is all simple common sense.


My wife is an RN... She helps people,,even on Sabbath.
What if that nurse needs to eat, and that fireman needs to eat? what about the police officer who works on Saturday? And the only thing available to them is a restaurant. What if you car breaks down, is it ok to get it towed? Define work, and define rest please.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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They can worship on Sabbath. Just because we need some people to volunteer their services on Sabbath for the welfare of others is no reason to make void the Command.

Surely, you understand that emergencies occur everyday,,even on Sabbath.

If you work at walmart on Sabbath,,it is sinning. First off,,, going shopping on Sabbath is sinful... I don't buy nor sell on the Sabbath.

If you are a nurse and you have folks that need care on Sabbath,, go,, take care of them.. it is not unlawful to do good and help folks that are sick on the Sabbath.

If you are a police officer.. Then you can still worship on Sabbath, and go to your job.. Same with a fireman.

But,, if you run a bowling alley,,, you should close it on Sabbath.

Really,, this is all simple common sense.


My wife is an RN... She helps people,,even on Sabbath.
if you work at walmart on the sabbath...and you work hard at your job and honor your employer and carry out your business honestly...then you are being a light in the world...

that is doing good...which is not unlawful on the sabbath...

the same is true of -any- good work we do as christians...
 
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if you work at walmart on the sabbath...and you work hard at your job and honor your employer and carry out your business honestly...then you are being a light in the world...

that is doing good...which is not unlawful on the sabbath...

the same is true of -any- good work we do as christians...
Go ahead,, Justify your sin.. it's your busines,, not mine.

The command says to not work,,,,yet,, you've decided that it is important that your boss make money on Sabbath,, and you do as well.. So,, personal gain on the sabbath is important to you and to your boss.. you serve mammon,, not God.
 
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Jesus never broke the Sabbath,, you are lost! lol

If you believe Jesus is a sinner,, and it's fairly clear that you think Jesus is just full of sin.. Perhaps Muhammed would be a better choice as a savior for you. Cause according to you,, Jesus is a mere sinner,,, so surely you don't think a sinning Jesus is the Messiah?
john 5:18..."For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."

but jesus broke the sabbath without sinning as i have already explained several times in this thread...and we are capable of the same...

in any case i have -never- said jesus was a sinner...i believe that jesus lived a perfect life and never sinned...

so again you are accusing me falsely...and again i remind you of one of the commandments...

exodus 20:16..."You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

and like i already said about muhammad...he taught salvation by works...i believe in salvation by grace through faith in christ!
 
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What if that nurse needs to eat, and that fireman needs to eat? what about the police officer who works on Saturday? And the only thing available to them is a restaurant. What if you car breaks down, is it ok to get it towed? Define work, and define rest please.

Don't give me the excuse that you have nothing to eat,, so you must go to a restuarant on Sabbath,, Fiddle-sticks!

If you prepare for Sabbath,, you could go to the grocery and make a nice lunch from the things you purchased on Friday, before Sabbath begins,,,,that's why friday is referred to as "preparation day".


If you are organized and prepared for Sabbath,, it becomes quite a peaceful blessing,, instead of a time of stress-related decision making.
 
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Jesus never broke the Sabbath,, you are lost! lol
You're going further away from the Cross with every post. This is the result of Sabbath keeping.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
 
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You're going further away from the Cross with every post. This is the result of Sabbath keeping.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Jesus didn't break the Sabbath. Jesus didn't commit Blaspheme...lol

What's wrong with you?

So it shall be in the last days,, Gods people will be accused of Sabbath breaking!!!

Those who refuse to observe Sunday the 1st day of the week,, will be accused,, just as Jesus was wrongly accused of breking Sabbath...

Jesus is sinless! Understand that..


Jesus forgave the sins of men... Somthing only God can do,,,, So,, the pharsisees falsely Accused Jesus of 2 crimes: Sabbath-breaking,,, and Blaspheme. He was innocent of both charges.
 
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Go ahead,, Justify your sin.. it's your busines,, not mine.

The command says to not work,,,,yet,, you've decided that it is important that your boss make money on Sabbath,, and you do as well.. So,, personal gain on the sabbath is important to you and to your boss.. you serve mammon,, not God.
it is not a sin to be a good employee...

ephesians 6:7..."With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free."

to be a good employee is doing good on the sabbath...which is lawful...
 
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Jesus broke the sabbath; just ask the pharisees
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Jesus didn't break the Sabbath. Jesus didn't commit Blaspheme...lol

What's wrong with you?

So it shall be in the last days,, Gods people will be accused of Sabbath breaking!!!

Those who refuse to observe Sunday the 1st day of the week,, will be accused,, just as Jesus was wrongly accused of breking Sabbath...

Jesus is sinless! Understand that..


Jesus forgave the sins of men... Somthing only God can do,,,, So,, the pharsisees falsely Accused Jesus of 2 crimes: Sabbath-breaking,,, and Blaspheme. He was innocent of both charges.
the verse i just quoted says -flat out- that jesus was 'breaking the sabbath'...it doesn't say 'they accused him of breaking the sabbath'...and it doesn't quote someone making the claim he was breaking the sabbath...

the divinely inspired narrator john says plainly that jesus was 'breaking the sabbath'

and it wasn't a sin for him because he was a priest and priests are allowed to break the sabbath in their service without being guilty of sin...

'so it shall be in the last days'...are you now pretending to be a prophet too?
 
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it is not a sin to be a good employee...

ephesians 6:7..."With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free."

to be a good employee is doing good on the sabbath...which is lawful...
Rach,, when I learned about the Sabbath,, I had a job, and I worked on Saturdays.....

I finally went to my boss, and I told him of my new found faith. I told him that I liked my job,, but, I had come to a crossroad...

I told my boss to give me my Sabbath off,, or I would quit. My boss was an atheist and a drunk.

The next Sabbath,, he told me, I didn't have to work anymore Saturdays!

I went to God, before I went to my boss.

I upheld God and His Commandment.... and because I did,, He softened the heart of my boss and my boss, gave me my Sabbaths off,, reluctantly,, but he did.


I have the utmost confidence in God. If I go to Him and ask Him anything.. I believe He will do it for me if it is in His will.

I tell you this.....

Sometime ago.. I had some great financial trouble. I nearly lost my house.

I went to God...And I prayed that He would get me a job. After my prayer,,, I swear to you,,, not 10 minutes went by,, that my phone rang,, and a job was offered at 21 bucks a hour.

If I call on God,, I'm sure He hears me. He upholds me, constantly. And I love Him!

Now,, excuse me,, I have to go. Happy Sabbath!
 
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Jesus didn't break the Sabbath. Jesus didn't commit Blaspheme...lol

What's wrong with you?

So it shall be in the last days,, Gods people will be accused of Sabbath breaking!!!

Those who refuse to observe Sunday the 1st day of the week,, will be accused,, just as Jesus was wrongly accused of breking Sabbath...

Jesus is sinless! Understand that..

Jesus forgave the sins of men... Somthing only God can do,,,, So,, the pharsisees falsely Accused Jesus of 2 crimes: Sabbath-breaking,,, and Blaspheme. He was innocent of both charges.
Jesus was free to break Sabbath anytime He pleased. He's God, and the Lord of the Sabbath, and also the Sabbath itself.

Matt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 
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i am posting this quotation from another thread because it is an example of the way sabbath keepers -should- behave...which sadly is -not- the way most of them behave...especially the seventh day adventists...

1 Kings 5:4 "But now the Lord my God has given me rest on every side, and there is no adversary or disaster."

May you truly feel the rest in every aspect of your life on this Sabbath!. Because of His merciful and miraculous provision, may you experience rest from every trial and tribulation, the same level of rest that God gave Solomon!

Shalom,
Matt
notice a few things from this post...

the poster makes no assertion of superior obedience or any other kind of moral superiority just because he is observing the sabbath...
the poster does not attempt to condemn or accuse or otherwise impose guilt on those who aren't observing the sabbath...
the poster does not claim that those who do not regard the sabbath as he does are future recipients of the mark of the beast...

i don't observe the sabbath...but i have no problem with sabbath keepers when they take this approach...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Go ahead,, Justify your sin.. it's your busines,, not mine.

The command says to not work,,,,yet,, you've decided that it is important that your boss make money on Sabbath,, and you do as well.. So,, personal gain on the sabbath is important to you and to your boss.. you serve mammon,, not God.
what a hypocrite you are.

your breaking the sabbath right now. by forcing others to work on saterday so you can chat on a webpage, which is run by people who must work to keep this forum running. And your gonna go to church tonight and cause people to labor when they should be resting.
 
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Jesus was free to break Sabbath anytime He pleased. He's God, and the Lord of the Sabbath, and also the Sabbath itself.

Matt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Yes. the true sabbath rest. the rest of our lives on a daily basis, having ceased from our work.

Not a one day rest. where people who claim to keep it do not even keep it.