Mark of the Beast PRECONDITIONING National Lockdown /Chip Implant (666 Resistance Prayer)

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SpoonJuly

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To SpoonJuly:

It is easy to give a thumbs down without backing it up without any scripture. Everything that I posted above is the truth. I've been watching the evolution of the mark technology for many years and it has been moving right along. As time goes on, you will continue to see the continuation of the world relying on electronic crediting and debiting and more and more people receiving the chip implant or something comparable. This technology will continue to evolve, where at one point the church will be removed and that antichrist will be revealed. During that first 3 1/2 years, electronic crediting and debiting will be the norm with the mark becoming the only way for anyone to perform crediting and debiting on bank accounts, which is buying and selling.

It always amazes me when people reject this truth of what is currently happening, especially when the technology is exactly what scripture describes.
The problem you have is that your understand of Scripture is flawed.
Rev. 4:1 is a prime example of you giving your private interpretation of Scripture.
 

Ahwatukee

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A one world government, or a global police state, may not be the tribulation as we know it in scripture. Therefore, it is very likely we'll be here. We won't be here for the big T Tribulation however.

I feel sorrow for those who shall. :(
The first seal rider on the white horse, symbolically represents the antichrist. He's a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse found in Rev.19:11 who is the Lord Jesus. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues brought by the two witnesses, is the fulfillment of the Day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath.

The underlying principal which many do not take into consideration is that, everything that God does is a legal process. That said, Jesus took upon himself the wrath that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. Furthermore, when we believed in the Lord, we were credited with the righteousness of Christ and reconciled to God. Therefore, because Jesus already satisfied God's wrath, the wrath of God no longer rests upon the believer. It has been legally satisfied. Therefore, believers cannot be here during the time of God's wrath and must be removed prior to the first seal being opened, which initiates God's wrath.

We will never see the antichrist, nor any of the seals, trumpets or bowl judgments. We are the bride. The Groom is not going to first beat up His bride and then come and get her to take her to the Father's house. In addition, God does not punish the righteous with the wicked, which is why scripture says that "they will not escape. But you brothers are not in darkness so that this day should take you by surprise. The reason that it will not take us by surprise is because the Lord will appear and gather those who are watching and anticipating His return.
 

massorite

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I would hope Christian sisters and brothers would know to refuse the mark. And prior to that being an ultimatum, if one is allowed to go free after refusal, that they'd have gleaned an education in how to survive off the grid. Because the prophecy says, unless one has the mark they will not be able to buy, or sell. Which would mean, survive in a system designed to exploit people under the mark.

Whatever you do, do not fall for those commercials that seek ways for you to volunteer your DNA! "Ancestry" type sites. Now there's one for those who want to diet. Find the right diet for you, just give us your DNA and...
And don't give blood! They take your DNA that way now. And have for years. People who are arrested, not convicted mind you, are now given a TB prick test. A little flat needle contraption pricks the skin when you're in intake. Awaiting to go to your cell, before the strip search. They tell you that is to check to see if you have been exposed to TB. TB is air born so everyone most likely will test positive; you know you have tested positive if your skin where they pricked you swells, itches, and turns red. Meanwhile, they have your DNA on the other end of that little needle that pricked you.


Something that is going to happen on a national level, global level, can't happen overnight. Not the way the beast rule is to enter in. It has to arrive in small stages that don't frighten people.
September 11th, for America, was the staging ground for the beast rule, in my view. Codoliza Rice at least for her part let the people know and maybe due to her conscience compelling her, that our government knew well before hand that the attack was coming.
And how it happened not only makes no sense, but also makes no logical sense in matters of the plane that circled the Capitol three times before flying into the Pentagon.

However, look what happened after. Our America changed forever.
Part of that was your freedom to cash a check at the bank the check is drawn on. Oh, precautions in the name of "anti-terror". When government was involved in letting the terror happen on that day, we need pay attention. You don't have an account at the bank the check is drawn on, give us your thumb print, and a form of ID.

Now, as a non-criminal, you have a fingerprint record that stands forever.
We all know that travel by air has always been under government control. But now? If you want to board a plane you have to be screened, even violated with a pat down, and you can't bring more than 4ozs on the plane. When 2 ozs of Nitro is enough to do damage?
Controls.

Then shortly after 9-11? Great date by the way. 911, the national emergency phone number. Shortly after 9-11 car manufacturers started to produce cars that track your travel and control the vehicle's operation.
We're paying for our own surveillance. Home security camera's! Even doorbells! If they can watch the bad guy on your behalf, they can be made to watch you! Just ask Samsung! And their "Smart TV".

Now people are very use to using debit cards instead of cash. And what made that happen? All that fear broadcast over the news as to how it can be dangerous to carry cash. While if a thief doesn't have your PIN number they can't use the ATM on your account. No, but in most cases, they can use your debit card as a credit card. That's why our debit card has , "SEE ID!" , on the signature line on the back.

And that debit card isn't fool proof. A man was robbed for his debit card. He was beaten until he gave the thugs his PIN number. He lied! They realized that, came back, beat him near to death, then took him into a remote area and burned him alive.

And amazingly enough, there's a market for smart houses! Lord how dumb can someone be to say to themselves, oh heck yes, I want to get a 30 year mortgage to buy one of those!

The beast in my view has always been here. It may have been in infant stages in the beginning, but now it's reaching puberty and it wants to claim what it thinks is rightfully its own.

Be prepared!
Learn to survive off the grid. If you have a well for water, learn how to draw water without the electric water pump. Grow a garden! Not just outside, but inside your home. Grow lights are great,though don't be surprised if you go overboard and Big Brother's choppers do a fly over and then DEA come knocking. Because those grow lights are scanned for by DEA , local and federal, helicopters in order to find illegal , not the licensed one's out there now, growers.
Because those state licensed growers and sellers are violating federal law. And all that they have can be seized the moment the fed decides to act.

Grow herbs, and learn how to heal yourself from God's blooming bounty.
Learn how to make your own clothes. There are remakes of antique peddle sewing machines out there now. "Honey, what would you love for Christmas this year? " One of those.
Learn how to make your own candles. Don't think oil, or kerosene is always going to be available. And when you make them use bees wax, NOT Paraffin. Paraffin is a petroleum byproduct and is highly toxic.Think home air pollution. Not at all recommended in homes with newborns, pets, or asthma patients.

Learn how to can food. And dry food. Don't just depend on a food dehydrator.
And really important? Have an underground shelter on your property. Make sure the blue print isn't registered with the state. Because when it is, authorities who come looking if it comes time, just follow the map.

Also, see to it that you get your deed out of custody of the state. (homeowners). Homebuyers, don't register your deed with the state. Your realtor will tell you they'll take care of all that filing for you. NO! Tell them you'll take care of it personally.
When your home isn't registered with the state, it is then that it is truly private property!

And make sure you have guns. Knives, sling shots, the kind sold for hunting, and bow and arrows. And learn how to use them proficiently.
Don't fall for the anti-gun propaganda! Your tax dollars fund your government that is armed to the teeth! They have weapons in their arsenal, state and federal, that can cook you where you stand from the inside out. Picture a ball park frank in your microwave.
They have sound weapons that can scramble your brain so you don't think straight. And they also have the ability to surround your home and use what you might see as an X-ray beam, so as to see where everyone in the house is due to infrared heat imaging.

And in light of just those weapons we know about, there's a propaganda bunch out there that says, oh no, guns are wrong! Don't have those in the home! Someone could get hurt!

Stand for your rights on your two feet! Or serve the beast on your knees. Learn how to fight also. Hand to hand, basic martial arts. Your body as a weapon is the best thing to have when you can't get to something else to defend yourself with. Steel toed sneakers are a beautiful thing. I have a pair for work. One snap kick between the legs of man or woman aggressor and they think twice before coming at you again.
One swift palm upward thrust under their nose, and you drive the bone that is in the nasal cavity into the brain. That stops the evil in its tracks.

If you believe God gave us free will, free choice.....one day likely in our lifetime, if we're not very old, we may just be asked to make one. Meanwhile, be prepared to survive in the event you have to do that first. Survive! Without running water, electric lights, gasoline, right of travel, or sewer.

And one last thing. Get a ham radio! Learn how to use it. And don't get a FCC license.
In this world of technology we know what we're told!

Cut off communication that is government run and what do you have, when the electricity is also cut? Fascist terrorism in the silence of the dark.

And be prepared also to either fight for your rights to the death. Or die, watching evil take them from you without a fight. In the beginning God created us to be cowards.....Not hardly!
And be aware too, because this has happened, the staunch anti-gun nuts , if it all goes south, from among their number will have those who will try to come to the house of those they know who have guns, and take them so as to fight for their own life.
Great article. In the book of Revelation there is a hint at how God is going to take care of us if we refuse the mark of the beast.
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
If you were to look up the word "hidden" you would find that it means or is talking about the manna as being "hidden from our sight" or "to escape notice".
If you were to look up the word "manna" you would find it is talking about real bread from heaven just like what God fed the Israelites during the wandering. It is not talking about a spiritual
bread from heaven like so many teach. Any time the Ark was talked about in the Old Testamen the contents of the Ark were spoken of. But at some point the golden chalice that held the manna disappears from the contents of the Ark as it is not listed as part of the contents any longer. I believe that Rev. 2:17 is telling us the when we can't feed our selves that God will reveal that hidden manna to use and feed us with it. I believe that it is already out there but at this point in time it is "Hidden From Our Sight".
 

massorite

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But, is John's revelation LITERAL? Hmmmmm
Take the time to do some research on every word you can find about the "Mark Of The Beast" and you will find that it is talking about a literal Mark engraved on every human being that accepts the mark.
But, is John's revelation LITERAL? Hmmmmm

Hornetguy, what you have done by questioning whether or not John's revalation about the mark of the beast is show that you haven't taken the time to the research and you are just spouting off at the mouth without truly knowing what you are talking about. It is also what I consider to be "Doubt Casting". That is when folks are too lazy to do the necessary research that is needed to properly teach themselves exactly what the Word of God is trying to teach us. Instead "Doubt Caster's" simply take the words of someone who teaches a false narrative about a particular biblical subject, grab hold of that narrative as if it was the Gospel and run with it, "Doubt Casting" while they are running.
Though there is a lot of symbolic and metaphorical stuff in the book of Revelations, proper research using good Biblical research tools will keep us straight on exactly what God is trying to reveal to us. although there is some stuff that we will never be able to understand unless God gives us His understanding in a revelation.
Proper research of the word mark as in the mark of the beast would teach you that it is talking about a literal mark that will be placed on a hand or a forehead.

Do the research and know what you are talking about before you post and if you think you know what you are talking about, quote some scripture in stead of doing nothing but "Doubt Casting" at a post that got it right.
 

Dave-L

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They got it wrong. It's a CHIMP implant they will agree to. That's the mark of the beast. Chimps are little beasts if you ever seen one in action. Some used to call it having a monkey on your back...........:)
 

garee

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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:15&version=KJV If those who "don't worship the image are killed" then since they didn't worship the image(literally or spiritually) the only way they can be killed for not worshiping the image is literally because they didn't spiritually die by worshiping the image.
I would offer. We walk by faith the unseen understanding called ; "ears to hear what the Spirit is saying" to each one of us. In that way we can obey the loving commandment to study to show ourselves approved unto Him he he sends out with His word. (apostles)

The problem I see with that which you offered would seem. They are already dead in their trespasses and sins carrying out as the wrath of God presently being revealed from heaven .Beginning the garden of Eden before he corrupted mankind. Mankind having violated the letter of the law (death) the glory of that faith departed. .

The mark I would think is the mark of Cain.(unconverted mankind) like most doctrines they have their foundation in Genesis. This is when our Faithful Creator was doing the work and rested. Cain is signified as the restless (no Sabbath) wanderer suffering a work more than he could bear. Christians have that work of rest working in them making the load lighter as a living eternal hope.
 

garee

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To SpoonJuly:

It is easy to give a thumbs down without backing it up without any scripture. Everything that I posted above is the truth. I've been watching the evolution of the mark technology for many years and it has been moving right along. As time goes on, you will continue to see the continuation of the world relying on electronic crediting and debiting and more and more people receiving the chip implant or something comparable. This technology will continue to evolve, where at one point the church will be removed and that antichrist will be revealed. During that first 3 1/2 years, electronic crediting and debiting will be the norm with the mark becoming the only way for anyone to perform crediting and debiting on bank accounts, which is buying and selling.

It always amazes me when people reject this truth of what is currently happening, especially when the technology is exactly what scripture describes.
I would offer. The Buying and selling is related to the gospel not worldly goods. We walk by faith the unseen eternal not by sight the temporal .

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

New technology is the new age god in every generation. God who writes with his finger invented technology . Like with Moses . God technically making the first copy cut out stone with his own hands and wrote with his unseen finger. to prove it is not a tradition of men. But is the incorruptible spiritual seed of His word by which men can become born from above, .

When he came down Moses broke the tablets God instructed him technically that this time Moses should take a chisel and make two new blank tablets . But again God wrote them with his finger to show authorship separate from the media. .
It would seem new technology as a gospel tool of warning is the new age, old age false prophet.

Like in the garden (Did God technically really say every tree? You will not die.)
 

Absolutely

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actually, I was just yanking your chain a little. I agree with Angela... we have nothing to worry about as long as we stay rooted in Jesus. Do you really think that someone putting a mark on you, without your agreeing to submit to the Beast is going to negate Jesus' sacrifice for you? The only way the mark can harm you is if you willingly accept it, knowing that you are submitting to the Beast. What Christian would do that?
actually, I was just yanking your chain a little. I agree with Angela... we have nothing to worry about as long as we stay rooted in Jesus. Do you really think that someone putting a mark on you, without your agreeing to submit to the Beast is going to negate Jesus' sacrifice for you? The only way the mark can harm you is if you willingly accept it, knowing that you are submitting to the Beast. What Christian would do that?
The catacombs were full of believers trying to survive.
If you refuse the mark,you die.
If you take it ,as you indicate ,it is a declaration you worship the devil.
The mark is forced on someone under threat of death,not forcefully applied.
You could just cut it off,but then they would kill you anyway.
 

Absolutely

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Great article. In the book of Revelation there is a hint at how God is going to take care of us if we refuse the mark of the beast.
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
If you were to look up the word "hidden" you would find that it means or is talking about the manna as being "hidden from our sight" or "to escape notice".
If you were to look up the word "manna" you would find it is talking about real bread from heaven just like what God fed the Israelites during the wandering. It is not talking about a spiritual
bread from heaven like so many teach. Any time the Ark was talked about in the Old Testamen the contents of the Ark were spoken of. But at some point the golden chalice that held the manna disappears from the contents of the Ark as it is not listed as part of the contents any longer. I believe that Rev. 2:17 is telling us the when we can't feed our selves that God will reveal that hidden manna to use and feed us with it. I believe that it is already out there but at this point in time it is "Hidden From Our Sight".
At the start of the gt we see a number no man can number murdered by the ac.
Look up the verses .
Every human takes the mark.
You ignore it and think you will be running from cave to cave in afganistan with the ac hot on your heels.
Nope
Pretrib rapture then those left behind (an innumerable number) get beheaded or join the satan worshippers.

Pssst...the church age HAS TO END...then jacobs/Israel's troble....the gt. The whole 7 years is gt as the bible states
 

Absolutely

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The problem you have is that your understand of Scripture is flawed.
Rev. 4:1 is a prime example of you giving your private interpretation of Scripture.
Ask yourself why postrib rapture adherents ignore our verses
 

massorite

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At the start of the gt we see a number no man can number murdered by the ac.
Look up the verses .
Every human takes the mark.
You ignore it and think you will be running from cave to cave in afganistan with the ac hot on your heels.
Nope
Pretrib rapture then those left behind (an innumerable number) get beheaded or join the satan worshippers.

Pssst...the church age HAS TO END...then jacobs/Israel's troble....the gt. The whole 7 years is gt as the bible states
Put your scripture where your mouth is. Don't just say it to hear yourself say it. Prove it with scripture.
Show me some scripture that says "the whole seven years will be seven years of Tribulation". The problem is that you can't show me any scripture that says there will be seven years of Tribulation because the are non.
 

hornetguy

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Take the time to do some research on every word you can find about the "Mark Of The Beast" and you will find that it is talking about a literal Mark engraved on every human being that accepts the mark.
But, is John's revelation LITERAL? Hmmmmm

Hornetguy, what you have done by questioning whether or not John's revalation about the mark of the beast is show that you haven't taken the time to the research and you are just spouting off at the mouth without truly knowing what you are talking about. It is also what I consider to be "Doubt Casting". That is when folks are too lazy to do the necessary research that is needed to properly teach themselves exactly what the Word of God is trying to teach us. Instead "Doubt Caster's" simply take the words of someone who teaches a false narrative about a particular biblical subject, grab hold of that narrative as if it was the Gospel and run with it, "Doubt Casting" while they are running.
Though there is a lot of symbolic and metaphorical stuff in the book of Revelations, proper research using good Biblical research tools will keep us straight on exactly what God is trying to reveal to us. although there is some stuff that we will never be able to understand unless God gives us His understanding in a revelation.
Proper research of the word mark as in the mark of the beast would teach you that it is talking about a literal mark that will be placed on a hand or a forehead.

Do the research and know what you are talking about before you post and if you think you know what you are talking about, quote some scripture in stead of doing nothing but "Doubt Casting" at a post that got it right.
... .aaaand, you need to lighten up a little bit. I stated immediately after that post that I was merely yanking the guy's chain... all in fun.
If you had been around a few years ago, you would have seen my thoughts on John's revelation.

For YOUR sake, I will paraphrase.... I don't get all wound up in trying to understand every symbol and saying in the revelation. I know of quite a few folks that have studied it... I mean SERIOUSLY, prayerfully studied it. Guess what? Put any 10 of them together, and NONE of them will agree on all of it.

My takeaway from John's revelation? I don't have to worry and fret about end-times. All I need to do is remain in Jesus... tied to God. HE will take care of me, and all my worry and gnashing of teeth over white horses will do me no good.. you know.. as scripture says MANY times.... "be not afraid".

If YOU (or anyone else) wishes to devote their life to understanding the revelation, I have no problem with it... it's your life. Just please don't try to impose your passions on me. I have enough on my plate simply trying to become more Christ-like daily.
 

iamsoandso

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I would offer. We walk by faith the unseen understanding called ; "ears to hear what the Spirit is saying" to each one of us. In that way we can obey the loving commandment to study to show ourselves approved unto Him he he sends out with His word. (apostles)

The problem I see with that which you offered would seem. They are already dead in their trespasses and sins carrying out as the wrath of God presently being revealed from heaven .Beginning the garden of Eden before he corrupted mankind. Mankind having violated the letter of the law (death) the glory of that faith departed. .

The mark I would think is the mark of Cain.(unconverted mankind) like most doctrines they have their foundation in Genesis. This is when our Faithful Creator was doing the work and rested. Cain is signified as the restless (no Sabbath) wanderer suffering a work more than he could bear. Christians have that work of rest working in them making the load lighter as a living eternal hope.

See if you can find another spiritualist who will explain it that way to us and then we will have two witnesses...
 

iamsoandso

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Well, I definitely don't and never have believed that the Lord is going to put His bride through His wrath. So, what made you think that I was shifting to post-trib?

In post #31 you place the first resurrection after those being caught up...
 

Ahwatukee

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In post #31 you place the first resurrection after those being caught up...
Below is the resurrection of the Church which takes place prior to the tribulation period:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

The following is the resurrection of the great tribulation saints which takes place after the tribulation when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They a had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Both of the resurrections above belong to the first resurrection. The term "first resurrection" could better be understood as phases or stages which make up the first resurrection which are in opposition to the resurrection of the unrighteous dead which takes place at the end of the thousand years.

* Resurrection and catching away of the church (First resurrection)

* The Day of the Lord (Tribulation)

* Christ returns to the earth to end the age

* Resurrection of the great tribulations saints (First resurrection)

Both belong to the first resurrection, as well as the resurrection of the two witnesses and the catching up of the male child. All belong to the first resurrection.
 

massorite

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... .aaaand, you need to lighten up a little bit. I stated immediately after that post that I was merely yanking the guy's chain... all in fun.
If you had been around a few years ago, you would have seen my thoughts on John's revelation.

For YOUR sake, I will paraphrase.... I don't get all wound up in trying to understand every symbol and saying in the revelation. I know of quite a few folks that have studied it... I mean SERIOUSLY, prayerfully studied it. Guess what? Put any 10 of them together, and NONE of them will agree on all of it.

My takeaway from John's revelation? I don't have to worry and fret about end-times. All I need to do is remain in Jesus... tied to God. HE will take care of me, and all my worry and gnashing of teeth over white horses will do me no good.. you know.. as scripture says MANY times.... "be not afraid".

If YOU (or anyone else) wishes to devote their life to understanding the revelation, I have no problem with it... it's your life. Just please don't try to impose your passions on me. I have enough on my plate simply trying to become more Christ-like daily.
Your faith might be strong enough to remain in Christ no matter what comes your way or whether or not we go through a period of Great Tribulation or not but there are millions of believers in Christ who are on the edge seeking the truth of what scripture actually says. Why do you think scripture tells us of a great falling away? Those that believe we will go through a period of Great Tribulation suddenly find themselves resurrected without going through a GT would be blessed. But those who believe they will not be here for a period of GT and suddenly find them selves in the middle of a great tribulation how do you think they will act or think about what they have been taught? Its a warning to both teachers and students of the Bible. I couldn't tell that you were joking and I am sure that there are many who couldn't discern you were joking either and years ago doesn't count. Only what you say today does, I just read your post and called it like I saw it and I don't care how long a person studied the book of Revelation, it only takes looking up the word mark as in "Mark of the Beast" just once to know what it's talking about.
I studied the book of Revelation by itself for 8 years solid and God gave me all the revelations He saw fit for me to have, but folks don't care about that either so I just speak and use scripture to back up what I teach. Too many believe that so much of the book of Revelation is not literal and so many use the idea that most of the book of Revelation is not literal in their efforts to teach false doctrine and doubt cast on the truth.
 

massorite

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In post #31 you place the first resurrection after those being caught up...
Really???? What about the early church?? Millions were killed, put in prison and tortured to death, starved, hanged, fed to lions, burned alive and were skinned alive, boiled in oil and killed in many different ways. If God allowed it to happen to the early church what makes you so much better then the early church believers. What makes all believers today so much better than the early church??
Christ comes for a church without spot or wrinkle. I.E. a perfect church just as Christ was and this is the single greatest reason why I believe that we will suffer a period of great tribulation because a period of great tribulation would separate the luke warm and fake believers from the true believers of Christ. Like chaff, you throw wheat up in the air and the wheat falls to the ground but the chaff is blown away leaving only the best on the ground. Or like silver, you bring it to a boil so the impurities are brought to the surface which are then scraped off and this was done seven times in the day of Christ to purify silver.
The anointing oil used in the Temple comes from the sap of a bush or tree and it has to be hammered and crushed before it can be used in the anointing oil. But the more it is hammered and crushed the more fragrant it becomes. The Church needs to be hammered and crushed before it will be ready for Christ to return.
 

garee

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See if you can find another spiritualist who will explain it that way to us and then we will have two witnesses...
Spiritualist?

We have the two witness the law and the prophets? Do you need more than that?
 

garee

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Below is the resurrection of the Church which takes place prior to the tribulation period:

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

The following is the resurrection of the great tribulation saints which takes place after the tribulation when Christ returns to the earth to end the age.

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They a had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Both of the resurrections above belong to the first resurrection. The term "first resurrection" could better be understood as phases or stages which make up the first resurrection which are in opposition to the resurrection of the unrighteous dead which takes place at the end of the thousand years.

* Resurrection and catching away of the church (First resurrection)

* The Day of the Lord (Tribulation)

* Christ returns to the earth to end the age

* Resurrection of the great tribulations saints (First resurrection)

Both belong to the first resurrection, as well as the resurrection of the two witnesses and the catching up of the male child. All belong to the first resurrection.

Hi I would offer...

We must be careful how we hear using the tools he has given us to rightly divide and therefore we can seek his approval.

I don't think he would inform us that without parables he spoke not, hiding the mysteries of the gospel from those outside. And then not give us the prescriptions that we might learn to walk by faith the (unseen temporal). I think it was the goal of God speaking through and by his Son in the last days . To teach us how we can hear Him, walking by faith. His whole ministry as teacher revealing reflecting the one Good Master not seen

The parable found in Revelation 20 must be defined if we are to rightly divide the signified language used in parables.

The opening verse in Revelation gives us some support as how to hear .

Revelation 1;1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Those who literalize receive no support other than what the eyes see the temporal. . . or historical value.

The kingdom does not come by observation. That becomes like trying to put a round pegs into a square hole. If you literalize the parable it it loses it value of faith (believing the things not seen) . Faith would seem to be work we are given of mixing the things temporal seen with the unseen eternal understanding. No eye has seen or mind conceived the glory of the holy place of faith as the face of God.

Revelation1:4 King James Version (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The thrones he saw were beyond description. We use the temporal corrupted to give the hearing of faith, us hearing his unseen understanding. Known things as a shadow of the unknown eternal, not the actual substance rather than walking by faith..

The mark is the mark of Cain. He had no sabbath rest all his days, a restless wanderer, thinking someone would murder him. A terrible suffering of hell as the wage of sin.