Math, my son, and Jesus

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charisenexcelcis

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So, my son is a math geek. In the car he starts talking about how numbers are abstract. If I represent one and him one, it is only an abstract comparison. We could be compared by weight or height or age and the comparison would not remain one and one. Then we got thinking about how numbers are also very objective. One always means one, one-plus-one always means two. Proper names are also abstract and objective. I am David. That is objectively true but tells you nothing about me. So, if I say that I have three kawalus, I give you very little usable information. Technical descriptions are also abstract and objective. So if I tell you that I have Leiten Factor 5 genetic disorder, you probably have no idea what I mean. We need to be able to relate objective information with subjective experience. so if I say that I have a mouth full of H-two-O, because you know that is water, you immediately relate it to your subjective experience with drinking water. Now we know, objectively many things about God. We know that He is Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Theos, Kurios, etc. We know that He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immutable. But then Jesus came. And the disciples saw him. And it was an "aha" moment. God-in-flesh became the revelation of God, the Word. "What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what webeheld and our hands handles, concerning the Word of Life--and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us--what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ."

Now Jesus says, "I will be with you always, even to the end of the age." A promise that everyone who puts their faith in Him can experience Him. This is an experience which, from I John 1:1-3, I believe is secured by faith and by the word of testimony--specifically the testimony of the word of God.
What do you think.
 
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Harley_Angel

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Psssst, never mention math if you want an actual response...if other people are like me, my brain shuts down the second numbers are presented.
 
pickles

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I figure it will take me a while to figure it out.
Maby its like how when you buy one item yet it holds alot more.
Like a box of oranges is one item.
So being one with Jesus is like being a box of oranges?
God bless, pickles

or.. maby more like a box of cholates?
God bless,pickles
 
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charisenexcelcis said:
So, my son is a math geek. In the car he starts talking about how numbers are abstract. If I represent one and him one, it is only an abstract comparison. We could be compared by weight or height or age and the comparison would not remain one and one. Then we got thinking about how numbers are also very objective. One always means one, one-plus-one always means two. Proper names are also abstract and objective. I am David. That is objectively true but tells you nothing about me. So, if I say that I have three kawalus, I give you very little usable information. Technical descriptions are also abstract and objective. So if I tell you that I have Leiten Factor 5 genetic disorder, you probably have no idea what I mean. We need to be able to relate objective information with subjective experience. so if I say that I have a mouth full of H-two-O, because you know that is water, you immediately relate it to your subjective experience with drinking water. Now we know, objectively many things about God. We know that He is Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Theos, Kurios, etc. We know that He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immutable. But then Jesus came. And the disciples saw him. And it was an "aha" moment. God-in-flesh became the revelation of God, the Word. "What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what webeheld and our hands handles, concerning the Word of Life--and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us--what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ."

Now Jesus says, "I will be with you always, even to the end of the age." A promise that everyone who puts their faith in Him can experience Him. This is an experience which, from I John 1:1-3, I believe is secured by faith and by the word of testimony--specifically the testimony of the word of God.
What do you think.
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Yes, what God has said definitely secures a promise that we can experience God through His Word. I believe that experiencing God subjectively is essential to have any desire of understanding God objectively. I also believe that the testimony of Jesus also includes what God is doing now. Whenever we share a testimony of what Jesus has done recently we are still sharing the testimony of Jesus. I am not saying it is ok to add to the Bible. But it is my opinion that many have too narrow of a definition for the "testimony of Jesus."

Revelations 19:10 says "...For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

This principle is highlights why reading or sharing the testimony of Jesus is so powerful. When you go over it or hear it, it fires up something in your heart for Him to do it again, hence it saying that the "testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." I have seen many people healed of sicknesses and delivered from just hearing a testimony of what Jesus did in another person's life.
 
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dunno about the math but what you are saying that Jesus took our knowlege or experience of God from the Objective to the Subjective

it IS a scary thought to understand that EVERYTHING IS SUBJECTIVE

we only define words in terms of other words - if we have not the experience to relate to those words then they are still meaningless
 
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I only have one thing to say about this. Maths is evil.
 
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the only reason that 1 plus 1 equals 2 is because God said so!!

He could just as easily have said 1 plus 1 always and invariably equals 3
 
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Where in the bible does God say 1 + 1 = 2?
How do we know the bible is a decimal system?
Perhaps all dates in the bible are translated using the wrong base. Perhaps using the correct base, the time lengths might match science, i.e. billions of years from adam to now.
 
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God uses
1 earth rotation = 1 day
1 earth revolution = 1 year

everything else is up for grabs
 
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the answer to the meaning of life the universe is

is

is

42

the original question turns out to be...

what do you get when you multiply 6 by 9
 
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That is under the assumption that the earth rotates, of course.
 
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lol snail.
 
MyBagsRPacked

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I think my eyes actually started to water while reading this lol My son's mathmatical...but he's only 9 lol is this what I have to look forward to?


charisenexcelcis said:
So, my son is a math geek. In the car he starts talking about how numbers are abstract. If I represent one and him one, it is only an abstract comparison. We could be compared by weight or height or age and the comparison would not remain one and one. Then we got thinking about how numbers are also very objective. One always means one, one-plus-one always means two. Proper names are also abstract and objective. I am David. That is objectively true but tells you nothing about me. So, if I say that I have three kawalus, I give you very little usable information. Technical descriptions are also abstract and objective. So if I tell you that I have Leiten Factor 5 genetic disorder, you probably have no idea what I mean. We need to be able to relate objective information with subjective experience. so if I say that I have a mouth full of H-two-O, because you know that is water, you immediately relate it to your subjective experience with drinking water. Now we know, objectively many things about God. We know that He is Yahweh, Adonai, Elohim, Theos, Kurios, etc. We know that He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, immutable. But then Jesus came. And the disciples saw him. And it was an "aha" moment. God-in-flesh became the revelation of God, the Word. "What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what webeheld and our hands handles, concerning the Word of Life--and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us--what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ."

Now Jesus says, "I will be with you always, even to the end of the age." A promise that everyone who puts their faith in Him can experience Him. This is an experience which, from I John 1:1-3, I believe is secured by faith and by the word of testimony--specifically the testimony of the word of God.
What do you think.
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greatkraw said:
the answer to the meaning of life the universe is

is

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42

the original question turns out to be...

what do you get when you multiply 6 by 9
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Not sure what you're saying here, but multiplying 6 by 9 typically yields 54.
Except of course on those rare occasions when it yields 42. :)
 
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daddycat said:
Not sure what you're saying here, but multiplying 6 by 9 typically yields 54.
Except of course on those rare occasions when it yields 42. :)
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I am trusting someone 'in the know' will enlighten you - otherwise I will have to
 
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MahogonySnail said:
Where in the bible does God say 1 + 1 = 2?
How do we know the bible is a decimal system?
Perhaps all dates in the bible are translated using the wrong base. Perhaps using the correct base, the time lengths might match science, i.e. billions of years from adam to now.
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this is the post that prompted my post
 
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Your son is Very smart. I am no genius at all but God does work with me in the numerical area. He placed it on my heart to notice all the 3's in the Bible. I don't know what it is leading too but your post reminded me of that and maybe your son has ever noticed it? Here are just a very few.
3-Father,Son,Holy Ghost
3-days resurrected
3-nails in cross
3-cock crows
 
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daddycat said:
Not sure what you're saying here, but multiplying 6 by 9 typically yields 54.
Except of course on those rare occasions when it yields 42. :)
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He is using a base different from ten. The joke comes from one of Adams ("A Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe) sci-fi novels. I think it was "Restaurant at the End of Time".
 
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