Matthew 24:14 vs Colossians 1:5-6

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phil36 said:
I think Dino answered you referring to the above.

Here is what cosmos can mean in given context.
  1. an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
  2. ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:
  3. the world, the universe
  4. the circle of the earth, the earth
  5. the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
  6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
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And we are to go with whichever one fits our system of theology? Is that how it works? Man being their own final authority?
 
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John146 said:
And we are to go with whichever one fits our system of theology? Is that how it works? Man being their own final authority?
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No, as with all language, we go with context. You can see language and context in action with the examples below.

Check out the below and see if these scholars are telling us the truth or not.



Gloss:
world: earth, world system, whole universe; adornment. In some contexts, the world is simply the place where people live, in other contexts (especially in John), the world is a system opposed to God


Definition:

(1) pr. order, regular disposition; ornament, decoration, embellishment, 1 Pet. 3:3;

(2) the world, the material universe, Mt. 13:35;
- the world, the aggregate of sensitive existence, 1 Cor. 4:9;
- the lower world, the earth, Mk. 16:15;
- the world, the aggregate of mankind,Mt. 5:14;
- the world, the public, Jn. 7:4; in NT the present order of things, the secular world, Jn. 18:36;
- the human race external to the Jewish nation, the heathen world, Rom. 11:12, 15;
- the world external to the Christian body, 1 Jn. 3:1, 13;
- the world or material system of the Mosaic covenant, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/kosmos
 
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phil36 said:
No, as with all language, we go with context. You can see language and context in action with the examples below.

Check out the below and see if these scholars are telling us the truth or not.



Gloss:
world: earth, world system, whole universe; adornment. In some contexts, the world is simply the place where people live, in other contexts (especially in John), the world is a system opposed to God


Definition:

(1) pr. order, regular disposition; ornament, decoration, embellishment, 1 Pet. 3:3;

(2) the world, the material universe, Mt. 13:35;
- the world, the aggregate of sensitive existence, 1 Cor. 4:9;
- the lower world, the earth, Mk. 16:15;
- the world, the aggregate of mankind,Mt. 5:14;
- the world, the public, Jn. 7:4; in NT the present order of things, the secular world, Jn. 18:36;
- the human race external to the Jewish nation, the heathen world, Rom. 11:12, 15;
- the world external to the Christian body, 1 Jn. 3:1, 13;
- the world or material system of the Mosaic covenant, Gal. 4:3; Col. 2:8, 20

https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/kosmos
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And who decides which context to go with? What if I believe that the context should be something else? What if I believe that the word "world" is being used the same in Matthew 24 and Colossians 1?
 
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like: In this context [cosmos]

Mat 4:8 - Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, G2889 and the glory of them.

Mat 5:14 - Ye are the light of the world. G2889 A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Mat 13:35 - That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. G2889
 
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John146 said:
And who decides which context to go with? What if I believe that the context should be something else? What if I believe that the word "world" is being used the same in Matthew 24 and Colossians 1?
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That's up to you. The burden of proof will be upon you, to prove your interpretation is the correct one.
 
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phil36 said:
That's up to you. The burden of proof will be upon you, to prove your interpretation is the correct one.
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Well, Scripture has only one interpretation...many applications but one interpretation.
 
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John146 said:
Well, Scripture has only one interpretation...many applications but one interpretation.
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I would agree that any given scripture has one meaning but many applications. God's teachings to man.

There are many forms and structures of interpretation. Interpretation is what we humans do in trying to understand and apply scripture.
 
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John146 said:
And who decides which context to go with? What if I believe that the context should be something else? What if I believe that the word "world" is being used the same in Matthew 24 and Colossians 1?
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But only one is the word kosmos. ;)
 
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John146 said:
World means world whether Jesus uses the term or Paul.
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No. "world" can have various meanings depending on the context.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος (kosmos) = world
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
1. in Greek writings from Homer down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, or der.
2. as in Greek writings from Homer down, ornament, decoration, adornment:
3. the world, i. e. the universe
4. the circle of the earth, the earth
5. the inhabitants of the world:
6. "the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ"
7. "worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly;
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
No. "world" can have various meanings depending on the context.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος (kosmos) = world
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
1. in Greek writings from Homer down, an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, or der.
2. as in Greek writings from Homer down, ornament, decoration, adornment:
3. the world, i. e. the universe
4. the circle of the earth, the earth
5. the inhabitants of the world:
6. "the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ"
7. "worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly;
8. any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
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Ahhhh, the Greek game. It's up to man to determine which definition to go with. Whatever fits that individual's system of theology. I'd rather not play that game. I don't want to be the final authority of what God has said.
 
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John146 said:
Ahhhh, the Greek game. It's up to man to determine which definition to go with. Whatever fits that individual's system of theology. I'd rather not play that game. I don't want to be the final authority of what God has said.
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No; instead you defer that to a bunch of 16th-century Anglicans.
 
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John146 said:
Ahhhh, the Greek game. It's up to man to determine which definition to go with. Whatever fits that individual's system of theology. I'd rather not play that game. I don't want to be the final authority of what God has said.
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However, if Matthew 24:14 had already been fulfilled at the time Paul was writing, then the Second Coming of Christ would already have been an accomplished fact. But since it is yet future, it should be obvious that the "world" to which Paul referred was not the "world" of which Christ spoke. The Gospel is yet to be preach in all the world. Then cometh the end.
 
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John146 said:
How do you reconcile these scriptures? Has the end come? Has the Lord returned? Why or why not?

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Colossians 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
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John146 said:
Paul preached the death, burial and resurrection for sins. Jesus and his disciples did not preach this. They preached the good news of the kingdom of heaven. This was good news to the lost sheep of the house of Israel concerning the restoration of Israel’s kingdom.
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“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭
 
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However, if Matthew 24:14 had already been fulfilled at the time Paul was writing, then the Second Coming of Christ would already have been an accomplished fact. But since it is yet future, it should be obvious that the "world" to which Paul referred was not the "world" of which Christ spoke. The Gospel is yet to be preach in all the world. Then cometh the end.
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Or, Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom, but the gospel of the grace of God which was a mystery. Paul’s gospel went out into all the world, and the gospel of the kingdom only went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 
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John146 said:
Or, Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom, but the gospel of the grace of God which was a mystery. Paul’s gospel went out into all the world, and the gospel of the kingdom only went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17

“Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17

“Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
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Great verses...what’s your point?
 
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John146 said:
Great verses...what’s your point?
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“Or, Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom,”


“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“Or, Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom,”


“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭

“And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬
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Yes, I know, Paul preached the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom within man. The gospel of the kingdom has to do with the kingdom of heaven, the promised kingdom of the Jews. Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Different terms, different meanings.
 
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John146 said:
Yes, I know, Paul preached the kingdom of God, the spiritual kingdom within man. The gospel of the kingdom has to do with the kingdom of heaven, the promised kingdom of the Jews. Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. Different terms, different meanings.
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when the church comes here in faith

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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