Matthew 24:14 vs Colossians 1:5-6

[John146]

“It had gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, gone out to all nations.”

“ Paul's gospel has gone out to all the world.”

Paul is a witness of Gods only gospel

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1, 3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


You have accepted an erroneous idea that Paul preached another gospel you and I can’t agree because of that

I feel sad for you but we’re all free to choose whether to accept the actual gospel or reject it paul certainly accepted it and then witnessed it’s truth

but alot of folks have read Joseph prince also and believe oil has preached a different gospel it’s pretty sad to me and after all the interaction I’ve had with you hear the holy dreds of scriptures I’ve shared showing you it’s erroneous you haven t budged

it makes me sad and I hope you eventually can hear someone else share the truth of Christ with you but i don’t seem to ever make any headway with you and feel I’m running up against a wall

so I appreciate but the conversation but have no interest in arguing whether Paul invented a gospel that somehow replaced Gods word it’s too ridiculous of a notion to me

I don’t know why you would try to avoid this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But then if I were deceived and thought the word grace erases everything else I probably would too

I hope you receive some revelation brother but it’s stuck pretty deep in your mind

Just to "ease" your mind...I'm saved by the blood of Jesus Christ through the preaching of Paul's gospel...how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. Amen.

I was not saved by someone sharing with me, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Just to "ease" your mind...I'm saved by the blood of Jesus Christ through the preaching of Paul's gospel...how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. Amen.

I was not saved by someone sharing with me, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

yeah it just makes me sad to see a Christian work so hard to avoid Gods word. Especially because I’ve always liked you , you have a good friendly spirit

but no I already understand you belong to Jesus I wouldn’t dispute it . I’m just sad for anyone who wants to work around the thkngs our savior has said precisely because I have heard this

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s sad when we can’t hear that and how awesome and wonderful it is and it’s sad because of the opposite

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it just saddens me when a Christian can’t hear it e blessing and promise and also the dire warning

I’d rather see you come here as a child to your father

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

and rather see you find the freedom this offers

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬

I’d rather see you accept the gospel in humility than do everything you can to avoid it and exalt a servants word above the lords

I’d ra th r see you acknolwedge who Jesus is and who spoke his everlasting words of life but I don’t doubt you belong to Jesus just like I do

just being honest it makes me sad Toni redact with Christian’s who won’t accept the gospel and actively avoid it I can’t understand why we would want to avoid Gods own word of life and salvation and spirit and truth and forsake it based on a Joseph prince book

I want this for you

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

or you’re a KJV-onlyist.

You hit the nail on the head..

 

[Adstar]

Not the process, but had gone out to all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, made known to all nations, yet the end has not come? Why?

The scriptures does not say at the very moment that gospel is preached to all nations then the end will emediatly come.. The scriptures are saying that the end will come after the Gospel is preached to all peoples.. And there are peoples who have not yet had the gospel preached to them.. there are isolated peoples still uncontacted by Christians..

Because Paul is not talking about the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom was good news to the Jews that their kingdom was at hand with their Messiah ready to take over and deliver them from their enemies. This gospel of the kingdom was not for Gentiles nor Samaritans, only for Israel.

Paul was not preaching that kind of kingdom.. Partly it was because of that interpretation of the Kingdom caused the Jews to reject the Messiah Jesus.. Because He was not a powerful military leader.. That interpretation of scripture was and is for no one at the time..

 

[John146]

And there are peoples who have not yet had the gospel preached to them.. there are isolated peoples still uncontacted by Christians..

Paul did not lie. Some two thousand years ago, the gospel that Paul preached had gone out into all the world, been preached to every creature under heaven, and went out to all nations. Paul clearly states this in the passages I posted. People groups either rejected it, or they did a very poor job passing it forward.

Is it not realistic to believe that in 2,000 years the U.S. could be a place where no one has ever heard of Jesus Christ? It's going that direction now, and it's only been a couple hundred of years.

 

[Dino246]

Of course, when all else fails, go the Greek. The word world is the same in all of these verses.

There are different words in Greek, which mean different things, and they are translated to the same word in English.

In Matthew 24:14, "world" is ethnesin, from the root ethnos. It refers to the extent of the different people groups (ethnicities).
In Colossians 1:5, "world" is kosmo, which refers to the physical earth.
In Colossians 1:23, "world" is absent.
In Romans 16:25, "world" is aioniois, from the root aion, a measure of time.

So yes; go to the Greek. One can't possibly understand the nuances with only English.

 

[Dino246]

According to you, the end came some 2,000 years ago.

It did.

The Mosaic/Levitical age ended in 70 AD.

 

[John146]

There are different words in Greek, which mean different things, and they are translated to the same word in English.

In Matthew 24:14, "world" is ethnesin, from the root ethnos. It refers to the extent of the different people groups (ethnicities).
In Colossians 1:5, "world" is kosmo, which refers to the physical earth.
In Colossians 1:23, "world" is absent.
In Romans 16:25, "world" is aioniois, from the root aion, a measure of time.

So yes; go to the Greek. One can't possibly understand the nuances with only English.

Go the Greek....and then you become the final authority on what God has said. No thanks.

 

[John146]

It did.

The Mosaic/Levitical age ended in 70 AD.

I believe the OT ended with the d,b,r of Jesus Christ, the death of the testator. So no, not 70 ad.

 

[Dino246]

Go the Greek....and then you become the final authority on what God has said. No thanks.

If you refuse to consider the original languages, and consequently don't understand the Scripture, that's your choice. Don't bother trying to tell others what it means.

 

[Dino246]

I believe the OT ended with the d,b,r of Jesus Christ, the death of the testator. So no, not 70 ad.

We weren't discussing the OT.

 

[John146]

If you refuse to consider the original languages, and consequently don't understand the Scripture, that's your choice. Don't bother trying to tell others what it means.

When something doesn’t match, go to the Greek and explain it away. Go to the Greek and sound smart, nobody will question your superior intellect, after all, it’s the Greek.

 

[Dino246]

When something doesn’t match, go to the Greek and explain it away. Go to the Greek and sound smart, nobody will question your superior intellect, after all, it’s the Greek.

Or, be intentionally ignorant while throwing shade at those who humble themselves, do their homework, and learn the truth of the matter.

 

[John146]

We weren't discussing the OT.

Correct, but the end of the world. The end of the world came in 70 AD?

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

 

[John146]

Or, be intentionally ignorant while throwing shade at those who humble themselves, do their homework, and learn the truth of the matter.

The end of the world is when the Lords earthly kingdom comes in.

Matthew 13
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[Dino246]

The end of the world is when the Lords earthly kingdom comes in.

Matthew 13
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Okay then. When you're ready to admit that the KJV is inadequate, let me know.