So true Katy-follower. We see people today who, while claiming Christ only, then you find out that they have other requirements for salvation by their own efforts in addition to what Jesus did, such as keeping the Sabbath on Saturday, the keeping of the ten commandments, abstaining from certain foods and a myriad of other requirements. Salvation is obtained by trusting in Christ as the One who alone provided salvation by the shedding of His blood, completely and fully and that without any of our help. I believe that there are going to be many unfortunately, who will say "but Lord, Lord!"
Matthew 7:21-23
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The religious mind sees Zacchaeus as "doing good" things which brings them salvation. Jesus on the other hand says that salvation has come because Zacchaeus is bringing life to others - giving grace that he saw in listening to Jesus and encountering Him at his house.
Departing from evil is a description of the life of Christ inside the believer manifesting as they grow up in Him. It does not "make salvation" nor "maintain" their salvation. That is a works-based mindset which is not the gospel of Christ.
Preach and teach the grace of Christ and it will teach us how to live godly in this present world.
Departing from evil is a description of the life of Christ inside the believer manifesting as they grow up in Him. It does not "make salvation" nor "maintain" their salvation. That is a works-based mindset which is not the gospel of Christ.
Preach and teach the grace of Christ and it will teach us how to live godly in this present world.
It also says here,
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
Even as Paul said,
1 Cr 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And on that day also they which did so do mention this very same
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
Even as Jesus says such signs would follow these also
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
And again we see the same on the last day they are shown saying likewise
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not...cast out demons in your name,
As well as them and doing many mighty works in his name, even as it says,
For we are his workmanship,created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So if they thought to examine themselves to see whether they were in the faith (except they be reprobates) and were using these things even as it speaks of them which profess to know him but unto every good work are reprobates, it could be easier to understand why they bring these things up (as a kind of meanuring stick) by way of self examination.
But again first it says (concerning iniquities) this
Acts 3:26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
So to bless in turning away from each ones inquities and redeem us from all the same and purify us to be zealous of good works
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
And here we see they are prophesying, casting out devils, and doing many wonderful works (even in Jesus Christ name) as Jesus points out all three, and three times (as done specifically so)
Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And what he would profess to them (and what for reason)
Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity. (or Luke 13:27)
Even as Paul warns to depart from iniquity here
2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Then he goes into obeying that form of doctrine that was delivered to you.
We are not saved by good works by unto good works, Jesus points out them working iniquity whereas Paul has told them to depart from it. Some point out that these were trusting their own works (possible) Jesus doesnt find fault with those things believers would do but their working iniquity and yet highlights elsewhere of seeing him a hungered, a thirst, naked a stranger (read in Mat 25:34 onward) which are good since both of these things are found in working rightouesness (even as he loveth righteouesness and hated iniquity Heb 1:9 ) and both doing righteouenss loving your brother as both are named in 1 John 3:10 1 John 2:29 1 John 3:7 & 3:17-19 & James 2:14-20 to start.
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy
Even as Paul said,
1 Cr 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And on that day also they which did so do mention this very same
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
Even as Jesus says such signs would follow these also
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe;
In my name they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
And again we see the same on the last day they are shown saying likewise
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not...cast out demons in your name,
As well as them and doing many mighty works in his name, even as it says,
For we are his workmanship,created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So if they thought to examine themselves to see whether they were in the faith (except they be reprobates) and were using these things even as it speaks of them which profess to know him but unto every good work are reprobates, it could be easier to understand why they bring these things up (as a kind of meanuring stick) by way of self examination.
But again first it says (concerning iniquities) this
Acts 3:26
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities
So to bless in turning away from each ones inquities and redeem us from all the same and purify us to be zealous of good works
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
And here we see they are prophesying, casting out devils, and doing many wonderful works (even in Jesus Christ name) as Jesus points out all three, and three times (as done specifically so)
Matt 7: 22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And what he would profess to them (and what for reason)
Mat 7: 23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me ye that work iniquity. (or Luke 13:27)
Even as Paul warns to depart from iniquity here
2 Ti 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Then he goes into obeying that form of doctrine that was delivered to you.
We are not saved by good works by unto good works, Jesus points out them working iniquity whereas Paul has told them to depart from it. Some point out that these were trusting their own works (possible) Jesus doesnt find fault with those things believers would do but their working iniquity and yet highlights elsewhere of seeing him a hungered, a thirst, naked a stranger (read in Mat 25:34 onward) which are good since both of these things are found in working rightouesness (even as he loveth righteouesness and hated iniquity Heb 1:9 ) and both doing righteouenss loving your brother as both are named in 1 John 3:10 1 John 2:29 1 John 3:7 & 3:17-19 & James 2:14-20 to start.
He was a chief publican, and they believed John (whose baptism was unto repentance) and Jesus coming after (and seeing how eager he was to see Christ) He seems to become a great picture of a godly sorrow that worketh repentance unto the salvation Jesus (who followed after) anounced, and did declare him a son of Abraham.
I didnt see Grace777's reply, I have him on ignore, he assumes he has minds figured out lol
I didnt see Grace777's reply, I have him on ignore, he assumes he has minds figured out lol
Things that make us go Hmmmmm...it's interesting that the "workers of iniquity" were all doing good works.
Human effort even doing "good deeds" God does not recognize - that is why Jesus called them workers of iniquity. These people were not in Christ.
As people we are either righteous because of Christ's righteousness or we are doing our own righteousness. Believers in Christ are called "righteousness" and unbelievers are called "unrighteousness" - which some translations called "iniquity or lawlessness". Doing anything apart from the life of Christ is "working iniquity". No flesh shall glory in His presence.
different categories of people..believer = light unbeliever = darkness
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( Believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light ...(be who you are in the Lord with your conduct here on this earth.)
1 Thessalonians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
Preach Christ and His grace will empower us to live outwardly who we are in Him in our new creations in Christ.
Human effort even doing "good deeds" God does not recognize - that is why Jesus called them workers of iniquity. These people were not in Christ.
As people we are either righteous because of Christ's righteousness or we are doing our own righteousness. Believers in Christ are called "righteousness" and unbelievers are called "unrighteousness" - which some translations called "iniquity or lawlessness". Doing anything apart from the life of Christ is "working iniquity". No flesh shall glory in His presence.
different categories of people..believer = light unbeliever = darkness
2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Be ye ( believer ) not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness ( Believer ) with unrighteousness? ( unbeliever ) and what communion hath light ( believer ) with darkness? ( unbeliever )
Ephesians 5:8 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light ...(be who you are in the Lord with your conduct here on this earth.)
1 Thessalonians 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
Preach Christ and His grace will empower us to live outwardly who we are in Him in our new creations in Christ.
The Matthew 7:21-23 passage reminds me so much of the pentecostal.charismatic.WOF movements because the things described in that passage are what they seek after and claim to do. Not that any of these things are wrong, but these are what these groups seem to focus on.
- Cast out demons
- Prophesy
- Do powers (the word work is not in the text)
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Greetings Mec99, it is a sorry state of affairs we have within the household of faith, I am glad you see it. I have been tempted to shout, as you, are about hypocrisy and wrong teaching, the subtle little things that underlie peoples words and set them apart under the cover and deception of "scripture with a twist".
Jesus mentioned these times, and I find it frustrating we are not allowed to remove these tares "Lest you uproot the wheat also", but Jesus does give us a way forward, love!
I really do see people dying with "subtly twisted scripture" and it produces a different reaction within me to you. You see people preaching lies of satan, and your words show aggressiveness and judgement, brother there is no need to be so upset. I feel a deep sadness and loss for these who follow this subtly twisted scripture. They too have a loving saviour who will open His arms and welcome them to His presence, Jesus died for every one, all those who walk the broad way and those who walk the narrow.
I feel it is best not to show fear to the enemy but love. I don't want to pull up the weeds among us, I know if Jesus is lifted up, and He being the creator, Jesus can change the tare into a stem of wheat, because nothing is impossible for God, and a new heart and mind would be more beneficial than my accusations, and remove from the enemy one more destined for oblivion.
So for your last bit ;
1/ I agree, 2/ My thoughts on this you have just read. 3/ And as for the people on here I have seen teaching lies of satan, well I am not going to throw stones and judge, because 'I do not want judging with that same judgement', I am going to love them, turn the other cheek, pray for them as they accuse me of the same, and love them to my own hurt, because I love my Lord Jesus and I want to do what He told me, love your enemies and God and my neighbour as myself.
I then have hope in me that I will only try and guide those I see faltering as Jesus leads.
God bless you bro, and all those who know His voice.
Jesus mentioned these times, and I find it frustrating we are not allowed to remove these tares "Lest you uproot the wheat also", but Jesus does give us a way forward, love!
I really do see people dying with "subtly twisted scripture" and it produces a different reaction within me to you. You see people preaching lies of satan, and your words show aggressiveness and judgement, brother there is no need to be so upset. I feel a deep sadness and loss for these who follow this subtly twisted scripture. They too have a loving saviour who will open His arms and welcome them to His presence, Jesus died for every one, all those who walk the broad way and those who walk the narrow.
I feel it is best not to show fear to the enemy but love. I don't want to pull up the weeds among us, I know if Jesus is lifted up, and He being the creator, Jesus can change the tare into a stem of wheat, because nothing is impossible for God, and a new heart and mind would be more beneficial than my accusations, and remove from the enemy one more destined for oblivion.
So for your last bit ;
1/ I agree, 2/ My thoughts on this you have just read. 3/ And as for the people on here I have seen teaching lies of satan, well I am not going to throw stones and judge, because 'I do not want judging with that same judgement', I am going to love them, turn the other cheek, pray for them as they accuse me of the same, and love them to my own hurt, because I love my Lord Jesus and I want to do what He told me, love your enemies and God and my neighbour as myself.
I then have hope in me that I will only try and guide those I see faltering as Jesus leads.
God bless you bro, and all those who know His voice.
Johns teachings seem to be found in what Zacchaeus did
Even as the people asked John here
Luke 3:10 And the people asked him saying,
What shall we do then?
Luke 3:11 He (John) answereth and saith unto them,
He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Luke 3:12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
Luke 3:13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do?
And he said unto them,
Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
Which is what Zacchaeus "the chief publican" mentions to the Lord as he knew that was wrong and repented and made restitution
And with all the people in expectation Zacchaeus was no exception as he was of those (even the publicans) that hath believed John Mat 21:32
As Jesus pointed out here....
Mat 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Zacchaeus wanted to see Jesus he couldnt being a man of small stature, he climbed into a tree, Jesus noticed him told him to come on down as he would stay with him
And just as we know the publicans believed John (even as Jesus said) John did teach them
Luke 19:2 And, behold, there wasa man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Recall, the two coats (in John) 2-1 coat (or he that hath 2 give to him that hath none)?
Zacchaeus believing John is doing works meet for repentance
Acts 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor;
This is where I see Johns two coats impart to him that hath none = Zacchaeus's half my goods to the Lord in this display.
John also said,
Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Luke 3:14
And Zacchaeus continues, saying,
and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Johns teaching seems to be what is displayed in this publicans life
These were as works meet for repentance,
And Jesus (who comes after John) even in this very picture says
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,
This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Just fits with godly sorrow
2 Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of
Follwed accordingly with Christ's declaration
This day is salvation come to this house ( reccognized as a son of Abraham)
In contrast to the worldly sorrow found in the rich young ruler (shown as in the pharisees) because unlike the publicans who believed and were baptized by John
It says,
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
We know the story, he says all these have I kept, what lack I?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Even as sorrow of the world worketh death
Whereas godly sorrow as it could possibly be seen worked in the life of Zacchaeus would not need to be repented of as of the worldly.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: (in Zacchaeus)
as that is seen in the rich young ruler moreso, the sorrow of the world worketh death.
And he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Even as the people asked John here
Luke 3:10 And the people asked him saying,
What shall we do then?
Luke 3:11 He (John) answereth and saith unto them,
He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Luke 3:12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
Luke 3:13 And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do?
And he said unto them,
Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
Which is what Zacchaeus "the chief publican" mentions to the Lord as he knew that was wrong and repented and made restitution
And with all the people in expectation Zacchaeus was no exception as he was of those (even the publicans) that hath believed John Mat 21:32
As Jesus pointed out here....
Mat 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.
Zacchaeus wanted to see Jesus he couldnt being a man of small stature, he climbed into a tree, Jesus noticed him told him to come on down as he would stay with him
And just as we know the publicans believed John (even as Jesus said) John did teach them
Luke 19:2 And, behold, there wasa man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.
Recall, the two coats (in John) 2-1 coat (or he that hath 2 give to him that hath none)?
Zacchaeus believing John is doing works meet for repentance
Acts 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor;
This is where I see Johns two coats impart to him that hath none = Zacchaeus's half my goods to the Lord in this display.
John also said,
Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Luke 3:14
And Zacchaeus continues, saying,
and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.
Johns teaching seems to be what is displayed in this publicans life
These were as works meet for repentance,
And Jesus (who comes after John) even in this very picture says
Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,
This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Just fits with godly sorrow
2 Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of
Follwed accordingly with Christ's declaration
This day is salvation come to this house ( reccognized as a son of Abraham)
In contrast to the worldly sorrow found in the rich young ruler (shown as in the pharisees) because unlike the publicans who believed and were baptized by John
It says,
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
We know the story, he says all these have I kept, what lack I?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Even as sorrow of the world worketh death
Whereas godly sorrow as it could possibly be seen worked in the life of Zacchaeus would not need to be repented of as of the worldly.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: (in Zacchaeus)
as that is seen in the rich young ruler moreso, the sorrow of the world worketh death.
And he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
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We are all a bunch of stubborn dummies trying to explain to each other how this thing called christianity works.
Some would say 'I've figured it out' and others will say 'no that's false teaching'.
We are all purposely not given all the pieces to the puzzle so that we will have no choice but to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for all of our blessings in Provision and Wisdom.
Some would say 'I've figured it out' and others will say 'no that's false teaching'.
We are all purposely not given all the pieces to the puzzle so that we will have no choice but to rely on the Lord Jesus Christ for all of our blessings in Provision and Wisdom.
I agree...and it will be the same for those trying to "maintain" their own self-righteousness by depending on what they do instead of what Christ has already done. That is lawlessness at it's finest. It seems some of these people are not "in Christ" at all but most likely some are just young Christians that need to grow up in Christ.
But thank God the real gospel of the grace of Christ is being preached to expose this type of lawlessness and so we can now walk free to trust in Christ's finished work for us. His life inside of us will do the good works that the Father has prepared for us to walk in.
Isn't the true Christian life a wonderful adventure?
But thank God the real gospel of the grace of Christ is being preached to expose this type of lawlessness and so we can now walk free to trust in Christ's finished work for us. His life inside of us will do the good works that the Father has prepared for us to walk in.
Isn't the true Christian life a wonderful adventure?
Yes...These people were saying that they were doing all these good deeds.
Obviously it was not the Spirit of God doing them if indeed they did these things. Jesus said that the Pharisees ( ..there's them religious folks showing up again ) sons were casting out demons through some method.
Matthew 12:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
There are obviously people not in Christ doing all sorts of things - good things as a self-righteous person would say and Jesus called them lawless.
Obviously it was not the Spirit of God doing them if indeed they did these things. Jesus said that the Pharisees ( ..there's them religious folks showing up again ) sons were casting out demons through some method.
Matthew 12:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
There are obviously people not in Christ doing all sorts of things - good things as a self-righteous person would say and Jesus called them lawless.
Ephesians 2:8-10
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
King James Version(KJV)
8.)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9.)Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10.)For we are HIS workmanship, created in CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which GOD hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Jesus draws all people to Him,and lights every person that comes in to this world,and God wants all people to be saved,and come to the knowledge of the truth.
God gets the glory for us being saved,for without His intervention,we would not get to the point to be saved.
The Bible says the Jews had the advantage for the words of God were given to them,and in the New Testament we have a greater advantage for the words of God are given to the world,and Jesus draws all people unto Himself.
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Jesus draws all people unto Himself,and God knows the hearts,and if the heart is in the right condition,God will call that person,but not everybody continues in that calling,so they do not get chosen.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
These people claimed Jesus as Lord,and even labored for the kingdom of God,but did not allow the Spirit to lead them,and ended up being not chosen.
Jesus draws all people unto Himself,those who hearts are right,God will call,and if they continue in that calling,God will choose them,but if they do not continue in that calling,they will not be chosen,for many are called,but few are chosen.
God gets the glory for us getting to the point to repent of our sins,and confess Jesus as Lord,and Savior,but has left the choice up to us whether to be led of the Spirit,or not,for if these people who claimed Jesus as Lord,which nobody can do,except by the Holy Ghost,and labored for the kingdom of God,then God has left the choice up to us,whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not,for if the choice was not up to us,these people would not be saying Lord,Lord,but could not dwell with Jesus,for they would be able to be with Jesus.
1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co_9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Act_14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein.
God has given us the choice whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not.
God gets the glory for us confessing Christ as Lord,and Savior,for we could not get to that point unless God intervened in our life,but God has given us the choice whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not,for if God got us to the point of confessing Christ as Lord,and Savior,but did not give us the choice to be led by the Spirit,but everyone will be led by the Spirit,these people would not be saying Lord,Lord,and laboring for the kingdom of God,but could not dwell with Jesus.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Jesus draws all people to Him,and lights every person that comes in to this world,and God wants all people to be saved,and come to the knowledge of the truth.
God gets the glory for us being saved,for without His intervention,we would not get to the point to be saved.
The Bible says the Jews had the advantage for the words of God were given to them,and in the New Testament we have a greater advantage for the words of God are given to the world,and Jesus draws all people unto Himself.
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Jesus draws all people unto Himself,and God knows the hearts,and if the heart is in the right condition,God will call that person,but not everybody continues in that calling,so they do not get chosen.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
These people claimed Jesus as Lord,and even labored for the kingdom of God,but did not allow the Spirit to lead them,and ended up being not chosen.
Jesus draws all people unto Himself,those who hearts are right,God will call,and if they continue in that calling,God will choose them,but if they do not continue in that calling,they will not be chosen,for many are called,but few are chosen.
God gets the glory for us getting to the point to repent of our sins,and confess Jesus as Lord,and Savior,but has left the choice up to us whether to be led of the Spirit,or not,for if these people who claimed Jesus as Lord,which nobody can do,except by the Holy Ghost,and labored for the kingdom of God,then God has left the choice up to us,whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not,for if the choice was not up to us,these people would not be saying Lord,Lord,but could not dwell with Jesus,for they would be able to be with Jesus.
1Co_10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co_9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Act_14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein.
God has given us the choice whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not.
God gets the glory for us confessing Christ as Lord,and Savior,for we could not get to that point unless God intervened in our life,but God has given us the choice whether to allow the Spirit to lead us or not,for if God got us to the point of confessing Christ as Lord,and Savior,but did not give us the choice to be led by the Spirit,but everyone will be led by the Spirit,these people would not be saying Lord,Lord,and laboring for the kingdom of God,but could not dwell with Jesus.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
None of us are perfect,and only by being led of the Spirit can we do the will of God.
Not saying that we might not sin once in a while as we are led of the Spirit,but all sin can be forgiven,and people put on the right track again.
There is a difference between denying the power thereof,and someone led of the Spirit,but they might sin once in a while.
Those that deny the power thereof,think it is alright to have sinful actions,and be right with God,and that is why they are ever learning,and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Those that are led of the Spirit might sin once in a while,but they repent of it,and continue being led of the Spirit,letting it go,and allowing the Spirit to lead them.
So people that claim Christ that might sin once in a while,if they do,can be led of the Spirit,and not fall under the category of denying the power thereof.
Denying the power thereof is refusing to give up sin,thinking you are alright with God in that state,but being led of the Spirit,and sin once in a while,is being led of the Spirit,but stumbling occasionally.
The difference is thinking it is alright to sin,and knowing it is not alright to sin,but stumbling occasionally,both are sinning,but the one does not give it up thinking it is alright,and the other sins,but knows it is not alright,and gives it up,and keeps moving in the Spirit.
So I will not label people as denying the power thereof,because they happen to not talk right towards someone,or they committed a sin,for that alone does not prove it,but their attitude towards the sin is what will prove it,if they think it is alright,then it is wrong,if they know it is wrong,that is alright,for they will give it up,that temporary sin they did,and keep allowing the Spirit to lead them.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
None of us are perfect,and only by being led of the Spirit can we do the will of God.
Not saying that we might not sin once in a while as we are led of the Spirit,but all sin can be forgiven,and people put on the right track again.
There is a difference between denying the power thereof,and someone led of the Spirit,but they might sin once in a while.
Those that deny the power thereof,think it is alright to have sinful actions,and be right with God,and that is why they are ever learning,and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Those that are led of the Spirit might sin once in a while,but they repent of it,and continue being led of the Spirit,letting it go,and allowing the Spirit to lead them.
So people that claim Christ that might sin once in a while,if they do,can be led of the Spirit,and not fall under the category of denying the power thereof.
Denying the power thereof is refusing to give up sin,thinking you are alright with God in that state,but being led of the Spirit,and sin once in a while,is being led of the Spirit,but stumbling occasionally.
The difference is thinking it is alright to sin,and knowing it is not alright to sin,but stumbling occasionally,both are sinning,but the one does not give it up thinking it is alright,and the other sins,but knows it is not alright,and gives it up,and keeps moving in the Spirit.
So I will not label people as denying the power thereof,because they happen to not talk right towards someone,or they committed a sin,for that alone does not prove it,but their attitude towards the sin is what will prove it,if they think it is alright,then it is wrong,if they know it is wrong,that is alright,for they will give it up,that temporary sin they did,and keep allowing the Spirit to lead them.