Meat sacrificed to idols (Halal) YES or NO

[garee]

I think the phrase “This is offered in sacrifice unto idols” if we follow it to its conclusion it speaks of the foundation of necromancy. The apostate Jew were known for attempting to commune with the dead, .rather than our father in heaven alone. ‘It why he called them a brood vipers full of dead mans bones

 

[garee]

Really?then why did the Lord insist Simon Peter "kill and eat" animals in past time forbidden to Jewish people?

The time of refomation had come. meast used to represent a clean animal as born again believers and unclean, those not converted as used in cerimoinal laws as shadows that pointed ahead, came to a end. When Christ said it was finished the veil was rent .The time of reformation had come the previous time period when the flesh of a Jew was used as a parable was know fulfilled. the shadows became substance.. Pork chops became a popular dish . Eat Peter..what God once called unclean is now clean.

 

[Noose]

I had Latin for three years, but the Romans stole the Greek gods and renamed them. Corinth had a god statue every where. They eve had one to an unknown god to cover their bets. But what I don;t know is why they were eating meant for those gods. Was it because they were still followers? Not good. Or was it just because there was more meant than then priest could handle. It seems to me it's up to you to find out, since this bothers you. but I have never had of evil gods.

I'll do more research on this.

 

[7777pinacled]

You almost forgot to attach Catholic (forbidding marriage) and SDA (require abstinence from certain foods) and that passage was referring to clean and unclean foods not foods sacrificed to idols.

Yeah, I imagine the greedy will justify themselves with hardened hearts.
Quite literally starve people to death.
Sadly

 

[Depleted]

I'm not opposed to arguing. I love to argue. I'm opposed to arguing when the purpose of someone's question isn't to argue, but to learn what he should do as a believer.

Big difference!

 

[Locutus]

I've actually discussed the issue - you on the other hand have just flapped your gums.

But that seems standard fare for you.

 

[Depleted]

He was talking about meat sold in market not in some dungeon and he was also talking to Christians; people who actively attend pagan ceremonies can't be Christians of course.
Paul draws a correlation with communion; Christ or even the apostles took bread and gave thanks (worshiped) and shared amongst themselves. Paul is saying that those that share/eat the bread are partaking in the thanks giving (worship).
In the same way, meat is sacrificed to honor a foreign god (that’s worship) and then shared in the market, even those that partake in eating also partake in worship. But it all comes down to conscience, eat if you don’t know but if you know it is a sacrifice from pagans, don’t otherwise God is a jealousy God.

Do we know that halal is a sacrifice?

I do think the key here is to understand the Corinthians. Understand the Corinthians, and you have a shot of understanding what you should do.

The Corinthians were unique at that time. First time Jesus spoke to an apostle to tell him to stay with a people who did not grow up as Jews. Well, some of them were Jews, but they were there because of the great dispersion was already beginning to happen.The Roman emperor was kicking out Jews from the homeland, so they came to this city in much the same way Middle Easterners are escaping to Europe even now. Most people in Corinth were Gentiles. And most of them worshiped a multitude of gods.

Paul was the first person who ever told them there is only one God. And the ones he was writing to believed him. He stayed there for 18 months teaching them this new God and teaching them how to live.

Now, I came out of Catholicism so remember just the confusion between that and the Lord. And Catholicism is supposedly about the same God, so at least I had upbringing on how to act, but a lot more upbringing on how to think that was wrong thinking. It was hard to adjust from RCC to the Lord. Imagine how much harder it is to adjust to multitude of pick-your-own-gods to the Lord. 18 months isn't going to cut it. It will get us on the road, but won't get us to the destination.

So they had questions when he left, but they also did a lot of stupid things too, simply because they didn't know they weren't supposed to, and then there is a lot of tare in any given church. AND, a lot of wolves, trying to pick off the young ones. They were doing a lot of stupid things. We have proof because two letters Paul sent made it into the Bible. He probably wrote more than twice. So what was he saying to these people?

Was all the meat sacrificed to idols? I suspect not, considering the people did many things for jobs, including raising animals. I do know not long after Paul's time in Corinth, the Christians had gained such a following that it unhinged Rome. (After all. Choose any god you want, just as long as you honor the god of Rome -- the emperor too.) The church had to go underground because Rome was out to slaughter them all. That meant most of the people they knew before they were Christians would avoid them for fear of being killed themselves, so the Church really did have to make it through the support of other Christians.

But that's not where you are. You're in 21st century Nigeria. Where is your meat coming from? Is all sold meat halal yet? I would avoid it if I could, but if that's all that is available, well? Even Jesus gleaned wheat from a field as he was walking by on the Sabbath. And you're supposed to not work on the Sabbath, so it looked like sin to the Pharisees, but since Jesus didn't sin, we know it wasn't sin. They were hungry, so they ate what they found.

Aren't you in the same boat? If it's not sin to Jesus, why is it sin to you?

If you can find not-halal meat, eat that. If you can't, assume Jesus knew what it was to be hungry, so ate, and he gives that same freedom to you.

 

[Redeemed2015]

And you are missing a deeper point!
Peter spoke while in the house of a Gentile.
That meant he accepted his hospitality - food and drink!!!!

So, when Peter says this, "Yet God has shown me that I should call no MAN unholy or unclean.", it also means, "and what he eats and drinks!" or even more pertinently, "because of what he eats or drinks!"

There is a reason why Orthodox Jews to this day will not enter a Gentile's house - it is not because they don't like them, it is because it would be impolite to refuse their hospitality, i.e. non-Kosher food!

No, I'm not missing anything, here. Yes, Peter was speaking in the House of a Gentile(non-Jew), however that does not mean he ate anything unclean. It doesn't even prove that anything unclean was served. In fact, in accordance with the Law and The Prophets, Cornelius, who is seen as RIGHTEOUS by G-D would not have eaten anything anything unclean after conversion

That meant he accepted his hospitality - food and drink!!!!

You have missed a BIG point here! G-D never tells us to accept anything unclean as food. HE, in fact, tells us never to accept these things. You have completely missed the meaning of the verses in 1 Timothy 4:4 and 1 Corinthians 10:30, as G-D is speaking of "Food", and anything that is unclean is NEVER considered to be food, especially to a righteous believer.

So, when Peter says this, "Yet God has shown me that I should call no MAN unholy or unclean.", it also means, "and what he eats and drinks!" or even more pertinently, "because of what he eats or drinks!"

I would be careful adding anything extra to what is said by Peter, especially when it doesn't align in the slightest with what he was saying, let alone if it doesn't even align with what G-D has already declared in HIS word. For we, of course, are supposed to recognize unholiness/uncleanness and stay away from it. You are twisting scripture and adding your own seasoning, while I shall stick plainly with salt, which is the word of G-D that preserves and sustains us as believers.

 

[Depleted]

Lesson in how to become a Pharisee quickly.

You speak of Peter's Vision in Acts 10. Let's look at it. Beginning in verse 9

"The next day, as the soldiers were traveling and approaching the city, Peter went up to the rooftop to pray, at about the sixth hour. Now he became very hungry and wanted to eat; but while they were preparing something, he fell into a trance."

So, here we have Peter who is staying in Joppa as a guest to Simon the Tanner. While waiting for a meal to be prepared Peter is on the roof, while there it is understood he was praying and while doing so falls into a trance, and has a vision.

Let's continue with verse 11

"He saw the heavens opened, and something like a great sheet coming down, lowered by its four corners to the earth. In it were all sorts of four-footed animals and reptiles and birds of the air.
A voice came to him, 'Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.' "

In Peter's Vision he sees a sheet lowered from the heavens with a multitude of unclean meats. A great voice, understood to be G-D tells Peter to "Kill and eat." Interesting, surely Peter would have immediately obeyed, right? Well, lets see in verse 14



"But Peter said, 'Certainly not, Lord! For never have I eaten anything unholy or unclean.'

Wait, what? Peter not only tells G-D no, but he doubles down and says shows himself approved by saying he has NEVER eaten what is "unholy or unclean". Let's see how G-D responds in verse 12


"Again a voice came to him, a second time: 'What God has made clean, you must not consider unholy.' "

Here we see G-D speaking about what he HAS(past tense) made clean. So, this verse can't be used to justify eating what is called unclean to ALL believers, not just Jews.

I'm sure Peter came to the same conclusion you did on his vision. I'm sure he even understood it right away. Well, why speculate, let's KEEP READING.
Verse 16

"This happened three times, and the sheet was immediately taken up to heaven. Now, while Peter was puzzled about what the vision he had seen might mean, behold, the men sent by Cornelius found Simon’s house and appeared before the gate."

Welp, so much for understanding the Vision right away. Peter had this Vision THREE times! And was still puzzled by it. Surely, if it were as simple as "all meat is now clean" Peter would have said so. If only Peter interpreted his vision for us...Oh wait, he did.

Verse 28, (Peter has gathered at the home of Cornelius the Centurion, a righteous man in the eyes of G-D.)

"He said to them, “You yourselves know that it is not permitted for a Jewish man to associate with a non-Jew or to visit him. Yet God has shown me that I should call no MAN unholy or unclean."

Peter interpreted his Vision for us. After being puzzled initially, Peter came to a single conclusion on what the Vision meant, that we are to "call no MAN uncommon or unclean". The vision was about People! Specifically Gentiles in regards to Talmudic Law(man-made law, not G-D's Law/i.e Man-Made Tradition) which dictated that a Jew is not to associate with Gentiles in private, as according to Talmudic Law Gentiles were unclean. But according to G-D, "whom (HE) has made clean(in Messiah), let no man call unclean"

This is what the meaning of Peter's Vision is according to Peter himself, which aligns perfectly with G-D's Law, The Torah.

 

[Depleted]

Paul’s conclusion (1 Cor 10:23) was on foods sacrificed to objects (idols) that mean nothing (worthless) because it seems he was addressing a specific question and he based his conclusion on:

Psalms 115: 4 But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands. 5They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. 6They have ears, but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell. 7They have hands, but cannot feel, feet, but cannot walk, nor can they utter a sound with their throats. 8Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.

Jeremiah 10:5
"Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot walk! Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good."
That’s why Paul said “For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof”

BUT

Paul’s warning in 1 Cor 10:14-21 which as a side note (not the main issue to be addressed) stands and was based on:
Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: 29You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.”

In case you forgot, essential means essential.

Keep reading Acts. It changed after that. That was their first thought. Then Paul ran into some Athenians, and then hung out with Corinthians. And then Peter had the same vision three times. And then Peter and Paul duked it out.

The church was forming. They were praying a whole bunch, but also had to deal with practical matters.

Imagine starting a church today. Doesn't it seem like a good rule to start out with everyone must be quiet during the sermon? It seems like a good rule to me. But then imagine someone comes in with Tourette Syndrome and can't stay quiet. Which way are you going for it -- kick the person out or amend the rule?

They really did make that rule. And then they changed it as needed. Exactly why the Bible has to be kept as a whole.

 

[Depleted]

In Jewish liturgy, Psalms 146-150 are called the Hallel because they begin with hallayloo yah Praise ye the Lord.

In Hebrew Hallal means literally shine; but in common usage it means praise or be worthy of praise.

I am not sure how the word is used in Arabic.

I know this much. Muhammad lived in an area where both Jews and Christians lived. He found flaws in both beliefs along with stuff he liked. So, he adapted from both beliefs to create a third one. I suspect halal originally meant praise, but got adapted. Can't prove it, but seems like that.

 

[Depleted]

I've actually discussed the issue - you on the other hand have just flapped your gums.

But that seems standard fare for you.

No, you argued your side.

And as for flapping gums, that's all you ever do. I was expecting to find you in this video.

 

[Redeemed2015]

Lesson in how to become a Pharisee quickly.

Oh boy you really got me there by labeling me a Pharisee fro doing nothing but standing by the word of G-D over the words of men. Gee golly, you sure are an intellectual super power. What am I thinking for standing by the word of G-D? How dare I obey, keep, honor the words, commandments and statutes of The Father like HE tells us to? How dare I even study and show myself approved with scripture like we are called to do? You're right, I should go around completely ignoring the commandments of G-D and live my life in wanton, unrepentant, selfish, sin. What am I thinking, trying to obey G-D, I must me crazy, huh? Taking HIS words seriously and applying them as I am called to do, I'm in total error, huh? I'm not adding, taking away, or ignoring any portion of scripture like you good old "christians", I must just be Pharisee because I'm living my life in obedience to the L-RD and walking just so as The Messiah walked, loving just as G-D first love me, loving G-D with all of my heart soul, mind, and strength, loving my neighbor as myself, and especially taking the words of Yeshua seriously when He tells us to "Go and sin no more" and "whoever keeps the commandments of G-D and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven and whoever does not keep the commandments of G-D and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven." What am I thinking, trying to be an obedient servant, loving G-D and others as we are commanded to as believers?

 

[7777pinacled]

Oh boy you really got me there by labeling me a Pharisee fro doing nothing but standing by the word of G-D over the words of men. Gee golly, you sure are an intellectual super power. What am I thinking for standing by the word of G-D? How dare I obey, keep, honor the words, commandments and statutes of The Father like HE tells us to? How dare I even study and show myself approved with scripture like we are called to do? You're right, I should go around completely ignoring the commandments of G-D and live my life in wanton, unrepentant, selfish, sin. What am I thinking, trying to obey G-D, I must me crazy, huh? Taking HIS words seriously and applying them as I am called to do, I'm in total error, huh? I'm not adding, taking away, or ignoring any portion of scripture like you good old "christians", I must just be Pharisee because I'm living my life in obedience to the L-RD and walking just so as The Messiah walked, loving just as G-D first love me, loving G-D with all of my heart soul, mind, and strength, loving my neighbor as myself, and especially taking the words of Yeshua seriously when He tells us to "Go and sin no more" and "whoever keeps the commandments of G-D and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven and whoever does not keep the commandments of G-D and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven." What am I thinking, trying to be an obedient servant, loving G-D and others as we are commanded to as believers?

You are letting your Light Shine.

 

[7777pinacled]

Despite what Paul says in 1 Cor 8/9, i think the warning is there from the same Paul in His conclusion here:

1 Cor 10:14Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.18Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?

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[Deade]

And you are missing a deeper point!
Peter spoke while in the house of a Gentile.
That meant he accepted his hospitality - food and drink!!!!

So, when Peter says this, "Yet God has shown me that I should call no MAN unholy or unclean.", it also means, "and what he eats and drinks!" or even more pertinently, "because of what he eats or drinks!"

There is a reason why Orthodox Jews to this day will not enter a Gentile's house - it is not because they don't like them, it is because it would be impolite to refuse their hospitality, i.e. non-Kosher food!

No, no the dream was only about opening the gospel to the gentiles. If someone offered me unclean meat, I would politely refuse.

You almost forgot to attach Catholic (forbidding marriage) and SDA (require abstinence from certain foods) and that passage was referring to clean and unclean foods not foods sacrificed to idols.

I think the SDA got this one right, abstain from unclean meat. I do not eat pork, shellfish or meat that hasn't been bled properly. The idol part is covered below.

Paul’s conclusion (1 Cor 10:23) was on foods sacrificed to objects (idols) that mean nothing (worthless) because it seems he was addressing a specific question and he based his conclusion on: Nothing does not mean worthless. If the idol means nothing to me, meat offered to it means nothing to me. Simple.
Psalms 115: 4 But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands. 5They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. 6They have ears, but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell. 7They have hands, but cannot feel, feet, but cannot walk, nor can they utter a sound with their throats. 8Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them. This curse pertains to just the people that believe the idols mean something.
Jeremiah 10:5
"Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field are they, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot walk! Do not fear them, For they can do no harm, Nor can they do any good."
That’s why Paul said “For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof” Exactly.
BUT
Paul’s warning in 1 Cor 10:14-21 which as a side note (not the main issue to be addressed) stands and was based on:
Acts 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: 29You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.” It is essential you still miss the point. You can eat this meat without defilement unless you think it defiles you or someone else.
In case you forgot, essential means essential.

 

[Deade]

The time of refomation had come. meast used to represent a clean animal as born again believers and unclean, those not converted as used in cerimoinal laws as shadows that pointed ahead, came to a end. When Christ said it was finished the veil was rent .The time of reformation had come the previous time period when the flesh of a Jew was used as a parable was know fulfilled. the shadows became substance.. Pork chops became a popular dish . Eat Peter..what God once called unclean is now clean.

You are missing the point on why Jesus (yes Jesus) established the clean and unclean meat ordinances at creation. He gave these instructions to Adam for health reasons. If pork and shellfish were bad for us once, it is still bad for us. Jesus was the one that did the creating and communing with Adam (See John 1).

 

[Amazing-Grace]

Most meat sold in Britain these days is probably Halal but we can't know as it isn't labelled "Halal"....so basically if you want to eat meat you are probably eating Halal by default. I used to try to ensure I wan't eating Halal but it's almost impossible and so I gave up trying. I figure Allah is a false god anyway - he doesn't exist but in the imagination of muslims so if the meat is slaughtered in his name - so what? The bigger concern is the welfare of the animal - isn't it?

Seriously - am I committing a grave sin by eating meat?

 

[notuptome]

1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Locutus]

Most meat sold in Britain these days is probably Halal but we can't know as it isn't labelled "Halal"....so basically if you want to eat meat you are probably eating Halal by default. I used to try to ensure I wan't eating Halal but it's almost impossible and so I gave up trying. I figure Allah is a false god anyway - he doesn't exist but in the imagination of muslims so if the meat is slaughtered in his name - so what? The bigger concern is the welfare of the animal - isn't it?

Seriously - am I committing a grave sin by eating meat?

I say not because it's not sacrificed to demons as noose claims, it is slaughtered according to a religious tradition and not a sacrificial offering.

“And to every community (ummah) We have appointed time and place of sacrifice [1], so that they might extol the name of God over whatever heads of cattle [2] He may have provided for them.” (al-Hajj 22:34)