Melchizedek

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Dino246

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The office was the King as Judge .
That's incorrect. Once the kings came, they also acted as judges at times. However, the office of Judge existed long before the time of the kings. There is an entire book of the Bible that tells the stories of the Judges. The people of Israel rejected the judges because they wanted kings.
 
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That's incorrect. Once the kings came, they also acted as judges at times. However, the office of Judge existed long before the time of the kings. There is an entire book of the Bible that tells the stories of the Judges. The people of Israel rejected the judges because they wanted kings.
The Judges as to the time period which was restored at the time of reformation used that period as a parable it is here .

Judges did not lord it over as the description given to pagan kings.

God in formed Samuel its not you they are rejecting as King . But because they had no faith that could please God as atheistic in their thinking, called fools (no God in the heart). God gave them over. Judges are abundant today But not one has the approval as King. We walk by faith the unseen eternal

After he informed them of those who will lord it over their own believes making selves of the common he prophecies. . . .
And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the
Lord will not hear you in that day. 1 Samuel 8:18

But because they had no desire to serve God not seen .God gave them over to their atheistic ways as fools until the time of reformation .
 

Dino246

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The Judges as to the time period which was restored at the time of reformation used that period as a parable it is here .
The above is meaningless word salad. Please take a class in basic English.

Judges did not lord it over as the description given to pagan kings.
Irrelevant to the topic. It would be helpful for you to trace the gist of the conversation, and stay with it.

God in formed Samuel its not you they are rejecting as King .
No He did not. He said, "They have not rejected you, but they have reject Me from being king over them." God didn't say, "you as king". When you mix up God's words, you end up with confused understanding.

Judges are abundant today But not one has the approval as King.
Also irrelevant.
 

miknik5

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For a long time now I have been trying to understand Melchizedek. Now I find out that Melchizedek is talked about in the Book of Jasher and the Book of Enoch. We are told Melchizedek is the oldest son of Noah's oldest son. His priesthood goes back to Adam. The belief here is that Adam was a King and Priest. Now Paul's statement in Hebrews 7:17 starts to make sense: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”

This also deals with what they call the oral tradition. When you have people saying that the Oral tradition goes back to Moses, some say Abraham and even others say the Oral tradition goes all the way back to Adam. If the Melchizedek priesthood goes back to Adam then the Oral tradition must go back to Adam also. Even though the Hasidic people believe that the Oral Tradition has been recorded or they are currently recording the Tradition to make it more easy for people to learn.

This is the best explanation we have. Based on books that were considered scripture in the past but are not currently considered to be scripture. We do not have a better explanation. In the Bible the priesthood only goes back to Aaron the brother of Moses. Rather then to go back to Adam. We are told that through Jesus we are able to receive back what Adam somehow managed to lose.
We do, actually as it pertains to JESUS who is without geneology
 

miknik5

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If Melchizedek is a descendant of Adam, then this was a literal pre-incarnate Christ. They would have shared the same DNA from Adam. Abraham was a descendant of Adam also. So Abraham and Melchizedek would be a close relation.
It is to show us that "Melchizadek" is BEFORE geneology. not that he is a descendent of Adam as Adam was simply a shadow of Christ who is before all things created.
 

miknik5

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Which is also why it is shown that Abraham, the father of Faith, recognized Melchizadek and gave Him the tenth even before there were a generation of those who would be the children of Abraham....
 
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Melchizedek the King of Salem. The hint that he is the King of Peace alluded that he was the King of Jerusalem/Yerushalayim (City of Peace). Yes, Melchizedek is "untraceable" but so are many others are not as well...seemingly. It is known that Melchizedek was another name for Shem (The 1 righteous son of Noah). Many people have multiple names in the Bible, Yitro/Jethro has 7! Jesus has tons and God has 72, so this is not uncommon.

Hebrews is, in short, trying to convey that Shem/Melchizedek was the first righteous King and Priest (very rare, so rare that Jesus is the only other) and that just as Abraham who carried forth the promise of God by being blessed by Shem, so too Jesus is our King and Priest who blesses us too (this also is one of many proofs of why we need to give 10% tithes as believers since Abraham too did the same thing to Melchizedek. Hebrews is also using the fact that the Torah does not 'verbatim' spell out Shem's identity but with Hebrew, it is easy to see. But this hidden point is correct, it is to use it that Jesus was also hidden in the text of the Torah/Tanakh and now it has finally come out.

Just a final note, the book is called "Hebrews" for a reason. This point was addressed to the Jews who would understand this much better. Very few to no Gentile in the "then" synagogues would have been taught such deep teaching, nor was it necessary for their understanding. The book of Acts shows that every time the disciples dealt with Jews, they absolutely had to stick to Torah and Tanakh because simply they are very learned in the scriptures. That also is a clue to how we also need to approach Jews.

I hope this helps! I enjoy all your discussions!
 
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The above is meaningless word salad. Please take a class in basic English.


Irrelevant to the topic. It would be helpful for you to trace the gist of the conversation, and stay with it.


No He did not. He said, "They have not rejected you, but they have reject Me from being king over them." God didn't say, "you as king". When you mix up God's words, you end up with confused understanding.


Also irrelevant.
The relevance is there. The point is made .The time period used as parable came to a end.
 
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Melchizedek is not a flesh and blood human. God is not a man as us .
 
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It is to show us that "Melchizadek" is BEFORE geneology. not that he is a descendent of Adam as Adam was simply a shadow of Christ who is before all things created.
Melchizedek was before the genealogy of Abraham. Adam and Eve are the matriarch and patriarch of Jesus. We read about this scarlet thread or the bloodline of Jesus right away in the New Testament. "This is the record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham:" (Matthew 1:1)

We know that Abraham was descended from Adam and Eve. This is why we read: "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Genesis3:15) This is why 1Timothy2:15 tells us: "Women, however, will be saved through childbearing, if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control."

This is why I wonder what sort of a conversation Eve & Mary would have with each other.
 

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Jesus told the Jews that Abraham saw Him (In Genesis 14). I think that settles it. John 8:56-58
 
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That's incorrect. Once the kings came, they also acted as judges at times. However, the office of Judge existed long before the time of the kings. There is an entire book of the Bible that tells the stories of the Judges. The people of Israel rejected the judges because they wanted kings.
Moses sat as a judge over the common disputes and it was wearing him out. His Father in Law a Midian priest showed Moses how to set up judges to settle the disputes. Only the ones they could not resolve went to Moses. Today we have the Supreme court to decide the difficult cases.
 
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Jesus told the Jews that Abraham saw Him (In Genesis 14). I think that settles it. John 8:56-58
Genesis 22:4 "On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place from afar." The third day is the 1,000 year reign of Christ. This is the Kingdom age when the Kingdoms of this world will become the Kingdoms of God. This has actually already begun. During this time we will see the manifest sons (daughters) of God. There is a lot of information packed into this sentence. In Hebrews 11:19 we read: "Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure."
 
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Judges did not lord it over as the description given to pagan kings.
At first the Judges were the gate keepers to the city & the people began to bring their disputes to them for a decision. We hear about how there are 12 gates for the New Jerusalem. When we read that Jesus is the Gate this means He sits at the Gate to determine what goes in and out of that Gate.