Metanoia/Repentance

[Stunnedbygrace]

Not sure I'm understanding what the argument is about here...
When the Holy Spirit causes me to see where I've gone wrong, and I change my thoughts to agree with what He's shown me, why would it be assumed that I have no sorrow over having gone wrong? I mean, I understand that with some people, the sorrow outweighs the joy of being led and changed more into the likeness of God and that with some people, the sorrow is breifer and the joy far outweighs it. And I think that changes over time, as we go on in the Lord, and we begin to be more joyful at what He shows us than we are sorrowful over what He shows us.

I guess that's all just very personal to each of us and our Lord, but when I see where I've gone wrong inside, I most often think or say: oh! Thank you, Lord for showing me this! Yes, I see!

I think there eventually comes an...acceptance that this is who we are - that sin is in us - and then we don't become so distraught when He points more out, but instead become joyful that He does. Is that gnostic...?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The only people who have hate is yourself. Before you guys came along and spread all
this condemnation and legalism is the sin of the world lie, the gospel was fine to talk about
righteousness and purity and how in Christ we can become Children of the living God.

See what I mean, Here we have a man who CONTINUES to lie about others. WHy does he think he has the right to judge others? WHo does he think he is??

The part bolded is a bold faced lie. This man is in sin, And he needs to do what the (supposed) topic of this thread is about, and repent.

You can always tell when people use the term, false information, they mean information
that disagrees with their position, their distortions and redefinitions of everything Christian.

And you know their theology will die, because while truth can be preached and spoken about
while all the options fairly presented, it is obvious to all who is lying and who is telling the truth.

Why we do not work like these folk is because we actually dwell in love and forgiveness and
have no ill will against these slanderers and emotionally abusive folk. You know their true fruit,
when you start sharing and "hate" becomes on their lips.

Another lie

Fale information is when an apposing held view states another group believes something, Then when one studies to see what the other group actually teaches, It is found NOT TO BE THE CASE)

This mans issue is he thinks he is right, and everyone else is wrong. He does not realise he does not get or have the right, as a person who supposedly represents God, To slander other people, and tell them what they believe.


People want to discuss obedience, and how one grown in christ (sanctification)

The problem is we can't Because they want to make salvation and eternal life dependent on obedience, and not obedience dependent on salvation.

ps. My theology will not die. It is help by millions, And has been around for 2000 years. Neither you or anyone else can break the foundation, Because our foundation is CHRIST..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

please free, stunned, Lets let this thread die, These types of threads are a thorn in the flesh in CC.

 

[FreeNChrist]

See what I mean, Here we have a man who CONTINUES to lie about others. WHy does he think he has the right to judge others? WHo does he think he is??

Did you follow the link I provided in the other thread?

 

[FreeNChrist]

please free, stunned, Lets let this thread die, These types of threads are a thorn in the flesh in CC.

Regardless of the intent of the OP, I think it's important that people see what true biblical repentance is and is not.

 

[FlSnookman7]

You love because you know you are a child of God? How does this work?

I have never realised my true identity and I love, and I know many people christian and
non-christian who love. This sounds like wish fulfillment. You only recognise love in the
people you call christian so therefore it is true.

I wonder if a car came and hit you in the road, does that make you realise you are actually
a mortal human being who will die, or everyone can actually realise what they are and do.

What God calls us to realise is we are failed sinners, trying to make the best of a failed life,
yet He offers reality and truth, eternity and purity, love and joy that will never end, we just
need to open up and walk in it. The start is accepting our sinful state and need, then to obey
and follow. But this is the part you guys deny and change, dooming people to hell as much
as they were before and exstinguishing any hope of knowing God.

By your posts it is obvious you do not love. Always attacking, never uplifting. It's a common theme among those who do not realize who they really are in Christ. It's both understandable and pitiful.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I guess that's all just very personal to each of us and our Lord, but when I see where I've gone wrong inside, I most often think or say: oh! Thank you, Lord for showing me this! Yes, I see!

I think there eventually comes an...acceptance that this is who we are - that sin is in us - and then we don't become so distraught when He points more out, but instead become joyful that He does. Is that gnostic...?

The Christian idea of repentance involves acknowledgment of sin. Whether there is remorse or not, is between GOD and the individual IMO.

The gnostic/hyper grace concept of repentance is simply to change what one believes. A popular hyper grace teacher said that sin is a symptom of a confused identity. The gnostics believed that ignorance was a disease and the knowledge of one's true divine identity was the cure.

 

[FreeNChrist]

The Christian idea of repentance involves acknowledgment of sin.

No, that would be the Christian idea of confession.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Peter spoke well when he said the first step is realizing our poverty, need, and sinful state.
And this goes beyond just a first realization. We must always remember our poverty because if we forget it, we will stop relying on Jesus and we will leave Him and we will again walk in our poverty instead of walking in our provision in Him.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Peter spoke well when he said the first step is realizing our poverty, need, and sinful state.
And this goes beyond just a first realization. We must always remember our poverty because if we forget it, we will stop relying on Jesus and we will leave Him and we will again walk in our poverty instead of walking in our provision in Him.

And he will spit us out of his mouth.

Thus, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am about to vomit you out of my mouth! Because you are saying, “I am rich, and have become rich, and I have need of nothing,” and you do not know that you are wretched and pitiable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from me gold refined by fire, in order that you may become rich, and white clothing, in order that you may be clothed and the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed, and eye salve to smear on your eyes, in order that you may see. Revelation 3:16-18​

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The Christian idea of repentance involves acknowledgment of sin. Whether there is remorse or not, is between GOD and the individual IMO.

The gnostic/hyper grace concept of repentance is simply to change what one believes. A popular hyper grace teacher said that sin is a symptom of a confused identity. The gnostics believed that ignorance was a disease and the knowledge of one's true divine identity was the cure.

Well...of course it involves acknowledgement of sin. If I agree with God when He shows me - and change my mind about what I was doing or thinking - of course it means that I see that it was wrong. If I didn't see that it was wrong, I wouldn't agree with Him and change my mind...

 

[Grace777x70]

The word "repentance" in the Greek simply to "change the mind". Change your thinking to believe what God says and yes it means toward sin and anything that is against the knowledge and nature of God.

Jesus said "repent" and believe the gospel. Repentance itself does not "mean to stop sinning" altho it should be a fruit of having already repented to trust in the gospel. There is no requirement for stopping sinning in the gospel. I'll prove this to you in a minute.

Here is what the "fruit" of repentance looks like. In this post.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138888-metanoia-repentance.html#post2701647

 

[mailmandan]

The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind.

The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance - to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21 - ..repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

Let's look at it through what scripture has to say about repentance ( changing our mind - the way we think ) concerning preaching the gospel. I know we have been taught differently through our religious upbringing and beliefs handed down to us. Let's let God's word speak life to us.

Peter preached the gospel of the grace of Christ. to Cornelius ..no word used for repentence was said

Acts 10:43-44 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.

They were not told to "repent" here.

I love how the Holy Spirit "falls upon " them as soon as they hear about the forgiveness of sins proclaimed to them because of Christ!

( All of heaven responds to Jesus' finished work for us )

Peter got in trouble with the Jewish Christians when he went back because he went into a gentile's house and preached the gospel to them...he says in Acts 11:17,18

Acts 11:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?"

[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

What was their repentance even though the word "repent" was not used?...they changed their mind toward God and had faith in Jesus and in His complete forgiveness of sins. This is the gospel message.

Notice that - it was God that granted them repentance.

New Covenant repentance is not something we conjure up on our own nor is it a work we produce.

2 Tim 2:24-25 says that God may grant them repentance so that they may know the truth. God grants the repentance..not a work we do on our own.

Paul preached the gospel of grace here in the only recorded time in scripture.

Acts 13:38-39 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

[SUP]39 [/SUP] and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Again ..no telling them to "repent" was voiced here either by Paul...but Paul did tell them later on and .." urged them to continue in the grace of God"

Both of the examples we have of New Covenant preaching about the gospel of grace had NO words of telling people to repent.

These clearly show that "repentance " was not told to them.


So, repentance does not mean "turn from sin '..it means change your mind ( change your way of thinking and rely on God only for things dealing with your life) and turn to God and believe in Jesus and what He has already done.

There is a change after we come to Christ and His life in us transforms us. This is where we see the "fruit" of repentance. Fruit is not the "root" of repentance.

Fruit of an exchanged life comes after we have "repented " - changed our thinking to rely on Christ's work only for salvation.

We all need to repent every day as we hear the beauty of our Lord proclaimed!

Brethern ...I urge you to believe in the awesome greatness and splendor of our Lord's magnificent finished work on our behalf!

 

[LaurenTM]

since scripture says we renew our minds by the word, it is not so hard to see how we 'repent'

we change our minds by reading and studying what God has revealed of Himself, to us in His inspired word

that's not a serendipitous arrangement of words

that, is God reinforcing what He says and then telling us how to do it

God is good!

 

[blue_ladybug]

please free, stunned, Lets let this thread die, These types of threads are a thorn in the flesh in CC.

Actually, to be blatantly honest, it's not the threads that are a thorn. It's the PEOPLE that start/argue on them, and refuse to admit when they're wrong.. Just sayin'..

 

[FreeNChrist]

The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind. Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind.

The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance - to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. After thought, change of mind.

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - Repent and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21 - ..repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

"Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions."

That's what legalism doesn't get. It focuses on external compliance but cares nothing about a change of heart and mind. While God cares about a change of heart and mind....knowing that it is what leads to genuine change of behavior.

 

[LaurenTM]

Actually, to be blatantly honest, it's not the threads that are a thorn. It's the PEOPLE that start/argue on them, and refuse to admit when they're wrong.. Just sayin'..

well of course it's people LOL!

the problem is threads like this that are started for the purpose of attacking others and calling them hyper-grace when by now it has been proven many times no one here actually adheres to the mistaken thinking that you continue to live in sin and no problem

I know it's hard to prove 'intent', but by now, I think it's obvious

the flip side seems to be if someone does start a good thread for study or discussion, it fades and disappears while the flame wars continue

and it's a forum...not a hill to die on...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, to be blatantly honest, it's not the threads that are a thorn. It's the PEOPLE that start/argue on them, and refuse to admit when they're wrong.. Just sayin'..

True, I can see this happening, I can see us doing this even, But when the same "group" does this over an over, I think is is beyond that.. And something needs to be done to stop it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well of course it's people LOL!

the problem is threads like this that are started for the purpose of attacking others and calling them hyper-grace when by now it has been proven many times no one here actually adheres to the mistaken thinking that you continue to live in sin and no problem

I know it's hard to prove 'intent', but by now, I think it's obvious

the flip side seems to be if someone does start a good thread for study or discussion, it fades and disappears while the flame wars continue

and it's a forum...not a hill to die on...

As usual, She says it so much better than I did. Amen sis.. Another rep earned (when I can rep again..lol)