Millions of years ago ! ?

[sltaylor]

Jesus said "my father is at his work TO THIS VERY DAY and I too must work".
What does that verse mean to you...he was working on the Sabbath. This was his defense and our Lords understanding of God resting...or maybe Isaiah could explain it better:62:6-"You who call on the LORD, give yourselves no rest,*7*and give him no rest*till he establishes Jerusalem and makes her the praise*of the earth."

 

[valiant]

Let's squash this debate of how long the days were with scripture and understanding once and for all.

JESUS said it is still day 6:
John 4: 34-"My food,"*said Jesus,*"is to do the will of him who sent me and to FINISH his work.*
John 5: 17-Jesus said to them,*"My Father*is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."*
So let's just break these two quotes from Jesus down..#1-Jesus came to finish the work in man so they could be like God...remember a man must be born again, God is holy, therefore we MUST BE HOLY, and as Hebrews 10:14 states-"because by one sacrifice he has made perfect*forever those who are being made holy."...and being MADE HOLY is still happening every day. This is why he stated "It is finished" while hanging upon the cross. What was finished??? The work he said he came to finish, a sacrifice of himself, so men could be wiped clean and put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and Holiness.
Verse #2: God is at his work to this very day: Jesus said it pretty clearly, remember they were accusing him of working on the Sabbath and pretty much Jesus told them they didn't understand, the work of Day 6, the day of which God said Let US make man, wasn't finished, the phrase US would take understanding, God started it, Jesus came to finish it. He is literally the Alpha and Omega, he finished the first chapter of Genesis.
God's image:Invisible holy beauty light honor power immortal.
Earthly man's image: darkness weakness dishonor sinful mortal
Christ is the resurrection: Born Again Man's image: immortal, holy thru the sacrifice, walks by the light, led by and one with the invisible spirit....sounds more like God's image right. God's image is more than appearance, it's a frame of mind:
Ephesians 4:23-to be made new in the attitude of your minds;*
24*and to put on*the new self, CREATED TO BE LIKE GOD in true righteousness and holiness.*
So to understand day six and the transformation of earthly man to spirit man, is more than one chapter in Genesis. It is an understanding in what Christ was saying about the Father and the lack of his Father in humanity. Holy is set apart and above, and humanity must be transformed by their minds and hearts to be that way as well. How do I know I am right, well it just makes too much sense. Sinful man is not like God. Jesus came to change that. He completed the beginning. That just makes too much sense. All things were created thru him, and by believing in his sacrifice, this is how man is created thru him as well, even to this very day.

well it may make sense to you. It doesn't make sense to me

 

[sltaylor]

He came to finish the father's work. God is holy, we had to be made holy thru his sacrifice. Jesus stated numerous times God was working thru him, and if God was working thru Christ, and the two were one, God wasn't resting and man was not and is not finished....is that simple enough

 

[JackH]

Well, I think Tintin can probably provide you with this information better than I can but here is a list of sites you may want to look at. Perhaps this would be a good place to begin if you wish to research this.

No, that is not a good place to begin.

Can you provide a link to something published in a reputable scientific journal by any of these people you mention that indicates the world is around 6,000 years years old?

The answer is no isn't it?

 

[JackH]

Me. Because evolutionary teaching and/or uniformitarian beliefs became the mainstream and biblical creation was relegated to the understanding of myth. Thanks, 19th century German liberal Bible scholars! Those morons did a bang-up job of helping people disbelieve the Bible.

The Church of England ordered that Ussher's dates be put in the King James Bible. Around two hundred years later the Church of England ordered that Ussher's dates be taken out of the King James Bible.

Because of some Germans you say?

 

[oldhermit]

No, that is not a good place to begin.

Can you provide a link to something published in a reputable scientific journal by any of these people you mention that indicates the world is around 6,000 years years old?

The answer is no isn't it?

Did you even bother to do any research into these men's published works?

 

[Stephen63]

So where those billions of tons of water came from, coulds? miracle?, and where that water went after the flood?

You're asking the wrong person, I didn't do it.
Genesis 6:17 (KJV) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

All that I need to know is that He said it...... & that's good 'nuff fer me.
Genesis 7:17-20 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. [SUP]20[/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Fifteen cubits above the highest mountain...... now that's billions of tons of water..... if not more.

 

[Stephen63]

Why? because mount Everest was under water for millions of years, not 1 year, it raised due to planet tectonics. in millions of years!.
Africa and south america moved away cm by cm in millions of years.

you not only against evolutionist, but geologists, volcanologist, sismologists.... etc etc.

I am against them also when it comes to challenging God's order. Believing only in the sciences is carnal thinking. Whosoever challenges God's ability & His order is a fool.

Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Whenever the creation challenges the Creator, that creation will be the Loser.

 

[Stephen63]

No where has evolution PROVEN that theses thing DID happen it is ASSUMED that it did happen. Evolution is based on a lot of nonproven ASSUMPTIONS.

True that.

 

[Stephen63]

My Kind Friend I have to disagree with you.
What fountains of the interior? the earth is covered by water, there no not more possibility for internal fountains to flow, againts presure and gravity laws.

What tusunamis or earthquakes?

how many thousands of years after Noa events is psalm 104?

if all the ice and rain fall to earth at one instant, it will raise the ocean by some tens of meters, not thousands.

Your source is as unreliable a it could be, Is called Dogma.

If you don't believe God's word as it's written, then you don't believe in God.

John 1:1-3 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God. [SUP]3[/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (including the flood)

 

[wincam]

You're asking the wrong person, I didn't do it.
Genesis 6:17 (KJV) And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

All that I need to know is that He said it...... & that's good 'nuff fer me.
Genesis 7:17-20 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. [SUP]18 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. [SUP]20[/SUP]Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Fifteen cubits above the highest mountain...... now that's billions of tons of water..... if not more.

not too sure about the translation or interpretation for there were no mountains before the flood - the top of the mountains were the seabed and were covered hence the sea shells etc that are found on mountains - notice it says high hills at 19 and the sermon on the mount was on a mount and not a mountain - we still have most of the water with us and if the mountains were levelled out and the ice caps and snow thawed the world would be flooded again - wincam

 

[JackH]

Did you even bother to do any research into these men's published works?

Yes.

You indicated on the second post in this thread that the world is 6000 years old.

Your scientists have published nothing in any reputable scientific journal or such that supports your statement.

If you say otherwise, please prove it.

 

[oldhermit]

Yes.

You indicated on the second post in this thread that the world is 6000 years old.

Your scientists have published nothing in any reputable scientific journal or such that supports your statement.

If you say otherwise, please prove it.

I never said they believed the world to be 6000 years old. I do not know where you are getting this. The 6000 years is what is seen from generations represented in scripture as I showed in an earlier post. What I am saying is that these are reputable scientist who believe in the young earth theory through the examination of the same evidences that the old earthers see. My question is Why.

 

[mpaper345]

It is funny that scientists say that the earth is billions of years old,like how do you measure that.

It seems like they want to make out that the earth is so old that it shatters the 6000 years old earth,and even if they are off on the years it would still be a lot of years.

 

[Stephen63]

not too sure about the translation or interpretation for there were no mountains before the flood - the top of the mountains were the seabed and were covered hence the sea shells etc that are found on mountains - notice it says high hills at 19 and the sermon on the mount was on a mount and not a mountain - we still have most of the water with us and if the mountains were levelled out and the ice caps and snow thawed the world would be flooded again - wincam

I'm sorry....... what part about the "and the mountains were covered" don't you understand?

If you want to troll, buy a boat & some fishing poles..... sheesh!

 

[wincam]

I'm sorry....... what part about the "and the mountains were covered" don't you understand?

If you want to troll, buy a boat & some fishing poles..... sheesh!

so what makes you doubt that they were - ever really noticed a globe of the world is on a tilt - who knows how far it tilted before returning to its present tilt - think about it and stop doubting the word of God on a Christian/bible forum - wincam

 

[JackH]

It is funny that scientists say that the earth is billions of years old,like how do you measure that.

You could go to a museum like the Smithsonian or Carnegie Museum of Natural History and find out.

If you are not up for a road trip, try their websites.

"Scientists can tell how old a star is by observing how fast it spins."

Scientists Can Tell How Old a Star Is by Observing How Fast It Spins | Smart News | Smithsonian

Note that you can reference the scientific study in a reputable scientific journal.

Or you could go to Ken Ham's Creation Museum in Kentucky. It's a good place to kill brain cells if you'd rather not become an alcoholic.

 

[ivanc0]

Thanks for the link. This should not be knew knowledge because scripture already tells us that the waters of the subterranean chambers combined with the limited emptying of the waters in the troposphere were of such sufficient quantity to cover the earth with a depth of water that was sufficient to keep the ark above the highest peaks.

the water is underground, you you need to pump something to make them raise, How much water is there?, As much as your scientific faith allow it.

Why you complain about science, God is the consummate scientists, Science is just searching the truth of God , by asking questions and doubting of everything, but the truth always converge, so science and God will eventually meet.

I believe many of you, actually do not Believe in God, but your God is the Scripture. You have replaced God with what you think is the image of it brain "The Scripture". The scripture has been written by men, so has errors. and in implicit way you admitted it when you say it contains cultural views, when you try to explain things like force marriage (rape of prisoners of war) or the selling of Daughters as Slaves, or when you take biblie in retoric way to explain how man was created as the Image of God, what about "do not make image of nothing in earth or heaven and do not worship it", why that image is different of the image of God, As the "scripture says" God is spirit and a spirit can not have image, But God made himself human and became Jesus, and Died and resurrected, and then..... dispose his body to go back to heaven?.... so died again?, then offers resurrection and if you qualify to to heaven, as in heaven there is not meat, then you have to die again?

 

[JackH]

I never said they believed the world to be 6000 years old. I do not know where you are getting this. The 6000 years is what is seen from generations represented in scripture as I showed in an earlier post. What I am saying is that these are reputable scientist who believe in the young earth theory through the examination of the same evidences that the old earthers see. My question is Why.

You said the world is 6000 years old.

You provided a list of young earth creationists in support of your position.

How old do they say the world is?

And where do they say it?

In a reputable scientific journal?

Like the one I just referenced in my post #197?

No, they have nothing published in any reputable scientific journal indicating that the world is anything close to young (thousands of years old as opposed to billions of years old.

 

[oldhermit]

so what makes you doubt that they were - ever really noticed a globe of the world is on a tilt - who knows how far it tilted before returning to its present tilt - think about it and stop doubting the word of God on a Christian/bible forum - wincam

"And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered."