Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!
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Why don't these "faith healers" ever visit cancer hospitals?
Signs and gift of healing has ceased. Paul even couldn't heal Timothy and others because his gift of healing had gone. Once the Jews rejected Jesus in Acts 28, the Gentiles have become the major focus of the gospel. Gentiles walk by faith, not by sight.
Signs and gift of healing has ceased. Paul even couldn't heal Timothy and others because his gift of healing had gone. Once the Jews rejected Jesus in Acts 28, the Gentiles have become the major focus of the gospel. Gentiles walk by faith, not by sight.
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You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions. Your starting point is the belief that the Pentecostal interpretation of scripture is the correct one. That leaves you in a bind: If that interpretation is correct, then we must do miracles today. When no genuine miracles can be produced, they must be manufactured by any means necessary. This opens the door to all kinds of hocus pocus.
If there really are miracle workers out there, why is it all we have are a lot of stories and no substance? Until you address the problem of your faulty interpretation of scripture there's no hope for you.
If there really are miracle workers out there, why is it all we have are a lot of stories and no substance? Until you address the problem of your faulty interpretation of scripture there's no hope for you.
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I am Pentecostal but I have always been at odds with the prevailing theology which undergirds the Pentecostal doctrines.
Bless the Lord and forget not all His benefits
Who forgiveth all thine iniquities
Who healeth all thine diseases
Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things.
What fault do you find with that doctrine?
Stories, why should I believe your story that you were born again?
Bless the Lord and forget not all His benefits
Who forgiveth all thine iniquities
Who healeth all thine diseases
Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things.
What fault do you find with that doctrine?
Stories, why should I believe your story that you were born again?
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Many are healed ...
thar'e a whole parcel of preachers preaching salvation and nobody gets saved ... loads come forward to be "prayed" and they still don't get saved. All that gets swept under the carpet in evangelical churches.
when someone steps forward to be healed you can't sweep it under the carpet.
thar'e a whole parcel of preachers preaching salvation and nobody gets saved ... loads come forward to be "prayed" and they still don't get saved. All that gets swept under the carpet in evangelical churches.
when someone steps forward to be healed you can't sweep it under the carpet.
I posted this up a long time ago, but I guess in the spirit of sharing experiences, this was mine...
This happened to me some years ago. I'm not going to press the point, but I leave it with you. You decide for yourself if the power of my belief made this happen.
My brother had a girlfriend when he was about 17 who had some very severe back trouble. She had a twisted spine and was given till her mid 20s before she would wind up in a wheelchair. She lived a few hours away from us and had come to visit with her friend for the weekend. That particular weekend Jim Sepulvida was sharing his experiences at an auditorum near to us and we had all wanted to hear him speak so we went.
Just to mention, this was 25 years ago and Jim is no longer with us but I found a (pretty old!) YouTube video of his testimony.
Anyway, at the end of the meeting, he went into a time of praying for the sick. Various people had gone up to the front but she didn't. There was a pause and Jim stopped, saying that the Lord was telling him there were five women there with back trouble.
Four came forward...
Jim stopped and said there was still a woman with back trouble that needed to come forward. She told me afterwards she thought at that moment 'I'm 17 - that means I'm a girl - it's not me'
Jim paused, then said 'OK, will the GIRL with back trouble please come forward!'
She did.
No-one touched her and she was certainly not a regular at 'that' sort of church, but as Jim prayed for her she fell backwards and looked like she was fast asleep!!! When she came to after a little while, she was smiling from ear to ear and ran up the steps to us, then round the hall again... When she had calmed down a bit she told us that she had felt the love and presence of God as she lay there and had the physical sensation of her spine being knocked into line!
Returning the doctors she had a series of tests and was pronounced inexplicably healed.
This happened to me some years ago. I'm not going to press the point, but I leave it with you. You decide for yourself if the power of my belief made this happen.
My brother had a girlfriend when he was about 17 who had some very severe back trouble. She had a twisted spine and was given till her mid 20s before she would wind up in a wheelchair. She lived a few hours away from us and had come to visit with her friend for the weekend. That particular weekend Jim Sepulvida was sharing his experiences at an auditorum near to us and we had all wanted to hear him speak so we went.
Just to mention, this was 25 years ago and Jim is no longer with us but I found a (pretty old!) YouTube video of his testimony.
Anyway, at the end of the meeting, he went into a time of praying for the sick. Various people had gone up to the front but she didn't. There was a pause and Jim stopped, saying that the Lord was telling him there were five women there with back trouble.
Four came forward...
Jim stopped and said there was still a woman with back trouble that needed to come forward. She told me afterwards she thought at that moment 'I'm 17 - that means I'm a girl - it's not me'
Jim paused, then said 'OK, will the GIRL with back trouble please come forward!'
She did.
No-one touched her and she was certainly not a regular at 'that' sort of church, but as Jim prayed for her she fell backwards and looked like she was fast asleep!!! When she came to after a little while, she was smiling from ear to ear and ran up the steps to us, then round the hall again... When she had calmed down a bit she told us that she had felt the love and presence of God as she lay there and had the physical sensation of her spine being knocked into line!
Returning the doctors she had a series of tests and was pronounced inexplicably healed.
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Further to the above, Jim died some years later of a heart attack while at an airport. I think he wrote on the side of his suitcase something like “don’t worry - I’m ok” so his family knew how he left the world. None of us are destined to live in these bodies forever, but that doesn’t stop the Lord from answering prayer and healing His children.
Why not all the time? Why no formula? God is sovereign.
Why not all the time? Why no formula? God is sovereign.
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The thing is that God stops not healing today, ore even that demons are cast out. BUT, not in the way pentecostal/ charismatics teach it.
Bible is not teaching that every beliver will be healed while he lives on earth from all physical deseases. Even not in Pauls time this was taught.
Bible is not teaching that every beliver will be healed while he lives on earth from all physical deseases. Even not in Pauls time this was taught.
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I have seen a number of healings first hand before people stepped in and tried to offer a healing formula. Prayer and simple faith are the only things that seem to make any difference. I must admit I got put off praying for healings because of the health and wealth guys, and through a few attempts to pray for people who were maybe not ready. Despite all this, genuine healings happen today and the Holy Spirit is alive and active in the world!!!
I found this recorded healing fascinating:
I found this recorded healing fascinating:
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https://www.bible.ca/tongues-miracles-fake-pentecostal.htm
Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!
Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!
"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).
The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer
PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."
But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.
The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.
Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.
"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.
No records
The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.
Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.
Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.
His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.
Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.
His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.
Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.
"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."
Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.
In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.
God 's healing verifiable
"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."
Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.
"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.
Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.
Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.
Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
Miracle workers who couldn't heal themselves!!!
- John Osteen, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Houston - his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through the mercy of God and medical attention survived.
- Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer and was medically treated (chemo-therapy) and by the mercy of God was patched up.
- Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement & charismatic author - died of cancer. Jamies too was under a medical doctors care.
- Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches power of our words to create reality - his wife got cancer and was medically treated.
- John Wimber, Signs & Wonders Movement, author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer. He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing for him, only chemo-therapy.
- Mack Timberlake, Word of Faith pastor - suffering from throat cancer, getting medical attention.
- R.W. Schambach, Faith Healer - got a quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human doctor)
- Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher & pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in his church following his teaching and then Hobart died due to a medically treatable disease.
- Prophet Keith Grayton, Prophetic Movement - died of the complications of AIDS
He spoke at our Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally healed. He died a year or so later. - Kenneth Hagin, "father" of the Word of Faith Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears glasses)
Hagin's great faith and special anointing could not keep her on the planet. - Katherine Khulman - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from heart disease in Ann Arbor Michigan.
A.A. Allen - an acknowledged divine healer and exorcist DIED from alcohol & drug abuse.
Aimee Semple McPherson - an acknowledge divine healer - died of a barbituate overdose. Why was she taking pills in the first place? Wasn't the "peace" of God enough for her?
Jack Coe - an acknowledged divine healer DIED from disease.
Miracle workers who couldn't heal at all!
"Heal! I say, HEEAALL! Why don't you get up? Rise and walk you sinner, if you would confess, you wouldn't be crippled! If you don't have the faith to get up and walk...you deserve to be stuck right there!" so says Ken Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, and other health, wealth, & prosperity teachers who claim to teach Biblical Christianity, but do they?.... Copeland goes on..."When I read in the Bible where He [God] says "I AM", I just smile and say, 'Yes, I AM too.'" (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987) "God intends for His people to be united, and, that union won't be based on doctrine [the Bible]" (Copeland - Believer's Voice... - 12/88).
The Pensacola News Journal. No medical proof of 'miraculous healings' Church does not keep records, Nov 20, 1997
By Kimberly Blair News Journal staff writer
PENSACOLA -Night after night, revival leaders tell the crowds that healings are occurring and growing more powerful. "I know now that we could all get to the place where the dead are raised," evangelist Steve Hill said in a November 1996 article in "Ministries Today," a magazine for Christian leaders. "We 're seeing miraculous healings, cancerous tumors disappear and drug addicts immediately delivered."
But the Brownsville Revival has not provided medical documentation of spontaneous healing and does not keep a file of names of people who say they were healed.
The News Journal found several people who say their conditions were healed or improved as a direct result of the revival, but none had medical proof.
Most stories are anecdotal. For example, Dave Collins, a charter bus owner from Oklahoma City, told the News Journal that a woman who rode on his bus brought her daughter to the revival to cure a rare disease that caused her daughter 's foot to turn backwards.
"The doctor was about to have the foot amputated. They went to revival and had an anointing healing service. The foot straightened out," Collins said.
No records
The News Journal could not interview the woman because Collins would not give her name or address. The church said it did not have her name because it does not keep records of the healings.
Many Brownsville Revival regulars and staff members believe the revival is on the brink of a breakthrough into wide-scale healings.
Brownsville church business administrator Rose Compton said she believes the healings will start very close to home, with pastor John Kilpatrick being miraculously healed from the injuries he suffered in a fall from the second story at his new house in Seminole, Ala., on Sept. 17.
His healing will signal the beginning of mass healings, she said.
Kilpatrick, however, told the News Journal during an interview three weeks ago that he is not being miraculously healed.
His medical records, which he permitted his doctor to release to the News Journal, confirm that. They show that his injuries are progressing at normal speed.
Kilpatrick did say, however, that many other people were being cured and healed at the revival.
"We have noticed more and more sick people coming in and saying their pain is leaving. We have had people healed of different things," he said. "Some of it is on video tapes."
Compton gave the News Journal one videotaped testimonial produced by a Lima, Ohio, Christian television program, "Turning Point." On the video, Lima resident Sandy Cornell, 44, says she "grew a new esophagus" after attending the revival earlier this year. Her husband, Clarence, asked the News Journal not to call her doctor for verification.
In another case, Rose Elrod, 61, of Oklahoma City told the News Journal she was healed of pancreatitis after attending the revival in September. "I 've been in and out of the hospital 20 times in the last couple of years," she said. "I was in constant pain and couldn 't eat anything." Friday, her third day at the revival, evangelist Steve Hill prayed for her, Elrod said, and she was slain in the spirit. "I laid on the floor 45 minutes with my hand raised," she said. "When I got up I was healed. You are talking about a woman who could hardly make a bed, clean my house, cook or eat. I couldn 't stand." She said she has talked to, but has not been examined by her physician, Dr. James Hogin, since the healing. Hogin, a gastroenterologist at Brookwood Medical Center in Oklahoma City, said he wants to see her. He wants to determine whether she is indeed improved or if she is undergoing a placebo effect.
God 's healing verifiable
"God 's healing is always verifiable," Hogin said. "With true healings, it is not that hard to confirm."
Essie Cox, 75, of Atmore, Ala., told the News Journal that six doctors at two different hospitals in Pensacola and Mobile told her she needed heart bypass surgery to unblock clogged arteries.
"I was prayed for on Saturday, Aug. 2, 1997. I didn 't feel anything immediately. I felt kind of woozy like," Cox said. "My husband kept telling me, 'You are healed.
Three days later, she woke up and felt a complete change, she said. "I had claimed the healing in my heart. I knew I was healed," she said.
Since the revival, Cox said, she has had very few problems with her heart. She is continuing to take her usual dosage of two kinds of heart medication and blood pressure medication, but she said she no longer takes daily nitroglycerin.
Cox 's doctor, Dr. J. Andrew Morrow Jr., with Cardiology Associates in Mobile, said the bypass surgery Cox talked about was an elective surgery and not a necessary procedure needed to maintain Cox 's health.
He was middle aged. I've prayed for people who got healed instantly. Others got worse! I had a potentially fatal condition about 3 years ago. My now wife prayed for me. A doctor testified that she saw my wife's prayer answered to the letter. God is not a robot. He is God and heals when and how as He sees fit.
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