Music in Church?
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SeaBass, I decided to look up references to heautou in the blueletter Bible to see if the verb was always used of a group performing a collective action.
Is this saying that the entire multitude had to go as one group in unison, and the whole group all go to all the villages together? That seems unlikely. If they were talking about one going to one village and another going to another village, that would fit the description just as well. Of course, Jesus did not accept this plan and performed a miracle.
Do all of these people have to make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven all simultaneously at the same time as a collective act? It seems unlikely that this is what the word means in this context, either.
Does it make sense that each one of them all said these words collectively at the same time, or did they have a normal human conversation where they took turns?
Is this saying that the entire multitude had to go as one group in unison, and the whole group all go to all the villages together? That seems unlikely. If they were talking about one going to one village and another going to another village, that would fit the description just as well. Of course, Jesus did not accept this plan and performed a miracle.
Do all of these people have to make themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven all simultaneously at the same time as a collective act? It seems unlikely that this is what the word means in this context, either.
Does it make sense that each one of them all said these words collectively at the same time, or did they have a normal human conversation where they took turns?
If it's not a collective action then it is not being reflexive/reciprocated. One person (or group) cannot sing while the rest sit and listen and have the singing be reflexive and reciprocated. So heautas as used in the context of Eph 5:19 is collective singing.
A reflexive pronoun is used with another noun/pronoun when something does something to itself.
John hit himself - reflexive for John did something to John
John hit Mary - not reflexive
So how can one be singing to himself if he is not singing at all during the time frame the song is taking place? Since this reflexive pronoun applies to each person within the congregation, then each person must be singing to him/herself and the result is congregational singing within the time frame of the song being sung. If one person(s) is not singing, then he is not singing to himself (reflexive) nor is the action of singing being reciprocating back to others....both must be taking place. As the way heautas is used in the context of Eph 5:19 makes it impossible to have solos or choirs.
A reflexive pronoun is used with another noun/pronoun when something does something to itself.
John hit himself - reflexive for John did something to John
John hit Mary - not reflexive
So how can one be singing to himself if he is not singing at all during the time frame the song is taking place? Since this reflexive pronoun applies to each person within the congregation, then each person must be singing to him/herself and the result is congregational singing within the time frame of the song being sung. If one person(s) is not singing, then he is not singing to himself (reflexive) nor is the action of singing being reciprocating back to others....both must be taking place. As the way heautas is used in the context of Eph 5:19 makes it impossible to have solos or choirs.
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I have laughed so much because of the recent posts in this thread. I have also been forced, FORCED mind you, to like some posts. I don't usually bother with likes unless it's really good. But some of the wit here is really good.
SeaBass, have fun scrimshawing. There is no profit in it but you seem dead set on arguing, so knock yourself out. We'll just work around you.
SeaBass, have fun scrimshawing. There is no profit in it but you seem dead set on arguing, so knock yourself out. We'll just work around you.
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But by golly you better not sing with an instrument accompanying you. That is just an abomination before the Lord.
Ill bet your the guy who sings really annoyingly loud and out of tune. I'm not judging you....I like your enthusiasm....just don;t be offended if I plug my ears.....k?
I just spoke in a parable I think....how cool is that!?!?!? I did't even do it on purpose!
Ill bet your the guy who sings really annoyingly loud and out of tune. I'm not judging you....I like your enthusiasm....just don;t be offended if I plug my ears.....k?
I just spoke in a parable I think....how cool is that!?!?!? I did't even do it on purpose!