muslim belief???

[Shwagga]

I already provided you with a translation of it (ie. "أنا أول المؤمنين" ), why then do you ask that question ? re-read it ... perhaps, this time, you'll pay a closer attention and notice by yourself that the words ''of my community'' are completely absent from the actual text.



ولما جاء موسى لميقاتنا وكلمه ربه قال رب أرني أنظر إليك قال لن تراني ولكن انظر إلى الجبل فإن استقر مكانه فسوف تراني فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكّا وخر موسى صعقا فلما أفاق قال سبحانك تبت إليك وأنا أول المؤمنين

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

Exactly. It's completely absent from the text. So why then did you say: "Indeed, he was the first of the Mu'mineen & the first of the Muslimeen of his community."?

 

[In_Atom]

Well since you just post videos and links without watching them, that speaks volumes as to how serious you are.

This is a silly accusation as I've only posted one link, so far; and it was about a video a saw a couple of days ago.

I can show you where David Wood and Sam Shamoun speak for hours on Islam without misrepresenting it. The question is, are you be willing to watch? As for Walid Shoebat, I am not sure where he lectures consecutively on the topic of Islam. I've seen his testimony on AlHayat tv which he does not misrepresent Islam at all and in fact sheikhs call in and challenge him where he gives them references for everything he claims.

I've actually watched a couple of them already, If I need more, I know where to go.

Okay, so the challenge is for you then. Do you have the ability to lecture on Christianity as to what we believe and what our core doctrines are for even a half hour without misrepresenting it or lying once? I would love to see that if you think you can do it.

No, I don't think I can do that nor do I have the desire to do that ... I prefer to leave to leave that task for Christians themselves, ain't they more fitting for it ?

 

[In_Atom]

Exactly. It's completely absent from the text. So why then did you say: "Indeed, he was the first of the Mu'mineen & the first of the Muslimeen of his community."?

For the same reason that if Shwagga were to say ''I'm the strongest'' it wouldn't be reasonable for me to assume that Shwagga is the strongest man in the world ; strongest of all man & of all time.

 

[Shwagga]

This is a silly accusation as I've only posted one link, so far; and it was about a video a saw a couple of days ago.



I've actually watched a couple of them already, If I need more, I know where to go.



No, I don't think I can do that nor do I have the desire to do that ... I prefer to leave to leave that task for Christians themselves, ain't they more fitting for it ?

You posted a video that was 2 minutes out of a 3 hour lecture. You haven't watched the lecture, but you post where the "errors" are in the video. Perhaps if you actually watched the complete video it may have cleared up the alleged lies?

So where are the lies that Sam Shamoun and David Wood have told then?

 

[Shwagga]

For the same reason that if Shwagga were to say ''I'm the strongest'' it wouldn't be reasonable for me to assume that Shwagga is the strongest man in the world ; strongest of all man & of all time.

How is that even close to an analogy as to what your Qur'an claims Moses said? Moses allegedly said "I am the first of the believers." He never said "of my generation" or anything to insinuate that he's speaking about in his time period.

So, let me ask you. Are you saying Moses was not the first of the believers?

 

[In_Atom]

You posted a video that was 2 minutes out of a 3 hour lecture. You haven't watched the lecture, but you post where the "errors" are in the video. Perhaps if you actually watched the complete video it may have cleared up the alleged lies?

It doesn't take away any of the veracity regarding your silly accusation, does it ? You said 'Well since you just post videos and links without watching them, that speaks volumes as to how serious you are.'

I posted only one link, and it was one that I previously watched before posting, so how serious shall I be taken ?

So where are the lies that Sam Shamoun and David Wood have told then?

There are many my friend, we can derail from the actual topic and go trough them if you wish to ?

 

[Shwagga]

It doesn't take away any of the veracity regarding your silly accusation, does it ? You said 'Well since you just post videos and links without watching them, that speaks volumes as to how serious you are.'

I posted only one link, and it was one that I previously watched before posting, so how serious shall I be taken ?



There are many my friend, we can derail from the actual topic and go trough them if you wish to ?

I'll leave that to you, you show me how serious you are.

Sure, show me one video where either one of them lied or misrepresented Islam. We'll go through the Islamic sources together to verify if they're really lies or not.

 

[In_Atom]

How is that even close to an analogy as to what your Qur'an claims Moses said? Moses allegedly said "I am the first of the believers." He never said "of my generation" or anything to insinuate that he's speaking about in his time period.

So, let me ask you. Are you saying Moses was not the first of the believers?

Well, just take a second and think about it ... You fixe an appointment with some fellow christians to a specific Church and you're the first one to reach the location. If you were to say ''I came first'' to your fellow believers, what does that mean ? Would it be reasonable to assume that you were the first man to enter the Chruch of all time ? or to understand by that, that you were the first man to enter the Church prior to all those of your friends that followed after you ?

 

[In_Atom]

I'll leave that to you, you show me how serious you are.

Sure, show me one video where either one of them lied or misrepresented Islam. We'll go through the Islamic sources together to verify if they're really lies or not.

Fine, as soon as I get back home.

 

[Shwagga]

Well, just take a second and think about it ... You fixe an appointment with some fellow christians to a specific Church and you're the first one to reach the location. If you were to say ''I came first'' to your fellow believers, what does that mean ? Would it be reasonable to assume that you were the first man to enter the Chruch of all time ? or to understand by that, that you were the first man to enter the Church prior to all those of your friends that followed after you ?

If I were to say: "I was the first Christian at this Church", then it would be absolutely reasonable to conclude that I was the very first Christian to arrive at that Church. If I were to simply say "I came first", that is open for interpretation if the context isn't provided.

Thankfully we don't have to deal with hypothetical scenarions. We can go directly to the Qur'an and see what Moses allegedly said. So, was Moses the first of the believers or not?

 

[AnandaHya]

When performs something miraculous in the name of Jesus, we know that it is by the Spirit that it was accomplished. But when the EXACT SAME MIRACLE happens in the name of Allah, of whom do you give credit to?

Again there is but ONE Spirit.

ONE HOLY SPIRIT but many unclean ones.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Revelation 16:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

 

[AnandaHya]

If you have any question regarding what Islam is, what it teachs and what Muslims actually believe in, you better ask a Muslim
Just for your information, I'm a Muslim.

then why does your spiritual status state that you are "unsure"?

 

[AnandaHya]

I already provided you with a translation of it (ie. "أنا أول المؤمنين" ), why then do you ask that question ? re-read it ... perhaps, this time, you'll pay a closer attention and notice by yourself that the words ''of my community'' are completely absent from the actual text.



ولما جاء موسى لميقاتنا وكلمه ربه قال رب أرني أنظر إليك قال لن تراني ولكن انظر إلى الجبل فإن استقر مكانه فسوف تراني فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكّا وخر موسى صعقا فلما أفاق قال سبحانك تبت إليك وأنا أول المؤمنين

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

ok and lets compare this to what the Bible says happened when Moses asked the question....

Exodus 33
17 So the Lord said to Moses, “I will also do this thing that you have spoken; for you have found grace in My sight, and I know you by name.”

18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”

19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

They wrote their book by copying the Holy Bible, but obviously changing the bits that suit their beliefs etc...

Actually, the Koran was written BEFORE the New Testament. No, they did not "copy" the Holy Bible. I would recommend you educate yourself on this. Whomever told you this is lying, and not to be trusted. I'm not saying that the Koran is good or truthful, but it is not a copy of the Bible with "just a few things changed." Not even close.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

our president believes Allah is a real God.

"Allah" is the arabic word for "God." Just like "Dios" is the Spanish word for "God." If you don't believe that "Allah" is real, then you aren't a Christian. You'd be an atheist. Muslims may believe in a different god than the God that Christians believe in, though Hebrew Scripture indicates that we both worship the same God. Even if Scripture is wrong, and it is a different god, to say that "Allah is not real" is blasphemy for any Christian, because "Allah" just means "God." You might say, "The Muslim concept of God is incorrect," but that is a far cry from claiming that God doesn't exist at all, which is what you are suggesting.

Scripture tells us we will have false Gods. We are told that Satin knows God.

Oy. Learn to spell. Satin is a material good for making prom dresses.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

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So utube can show someone speaking when he isn't speaking? Allah, who was thought up 500 years after Christ was crucified is the same God? Wow!! I have a bridge I would sell you, cheap.

We've got another blasphemer, folks, someone who says God was "made up."

Please explain to me how God could be made up after Christ, when God is the FATHER of Christ?

Oy, sometimes the ignorance that is stated on these boards makes my tummy hurt.

 

[loveme1]

Isaac or Ishmael?

Almighty Yahweh God said Isaac! end of.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

Im asking how do they view Jesus is the Son of God . Like what's their view that he's not the Son of God. What do they claim is their proof that Jesus isn't the Son of God.

They don't think God would deign to have a son. They believe Allah is Spirit, and not Human, and would never dirty himself by taking on human flesh. There is nothing Human about God, they say. Personally, this is what I love most about Christianity. Our God loves us so much that he became one of us.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

To the Muslims on this thread: can you tell me if some / most / all / no Muslims tend to believe "creationism" or "young earth" (as in God created the world in six 24-hour days) as opposed to evolution? I imagine there are Muslims on both sides, just as there are Christians on both sides. I'm curious if someone can give me an idea of how common one or the other belief is.

 

[AnandaHya]

Actually, the Koran was written BEFORE the New Testament. No, they did not "copy" the Holy Bible. I would recommend you educate yourself on this. Whomever told you this is lying, and not to be trusted. I'm not saying that the Koran is good or truthful, but it is not a copy of the Bible with "just a few things changed." Not even close.

WHEN WAS THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN?

"Wasn't [the New Testament] written like 300 years after Jesus?"

No, the New Testament wasn't written 300 years after Jesus. You may be referring to 325 AD, when the Council of Nicea officially recognized the New Testament as having been written by God. By then, Christians had been reading the New Testament as God's Word for 2 centuries.

So when was the New Testament written? Please pay close attention to the dates below to decipher when the New Testament was written:...

The delivered eyewitness accounts Luke mentions above are the Gospel of Matthew, written by one of Jesus' 12 Apostles, and the Gospel of Mark, written by the note taker for Apostle Peter.

Estimating 3-5 years between Acts and Luke, and another 3-5 years between Luke and Matthew & Mark dates three of the four Gospels to 52-59 AD, which is only 2 decades after Jesus' ascension.

The Quranic Revelation was made by Archangel Gabriel to Muhammad. It took place over a period of more than twenty years of the Prophet's life, beginning with the first verses of Sura 96, then resuming after a three-year break for a long period of twenty years up to the death of the Prophet in 632 A.D., i.e. ten years before Hegira and ten years after Hegira. [Muhammad's departure from Makka to Madina, 622 A.D.]

Authenticity of the Quran

even the very basic history lesson tells you that the BIBLE as we have was around in the world BEFORE Muhammad started having his revelations and even before he was born.