muslim belief???

[Israel]

What miracles are you talking about that are being done in the name of the God of Islam? Are you saying all miracles are from the true God? Where are you getting this idea from?

There is not just "one Spirit" in the world.. There are many spirits, which is why 1st John 4 starts off by saying "test the spirits"..

Two people lived next door to eachother. One was a christian, the other a muslim and by religion, they never "really" got along with one another.

Outside of religion however, both had a child who were disabled. The christian prayed to Jesus everyday for the healing of his child, then one day it happened! God had heard his prayers and his child was made whole. He runs in the street telling everyone what Jesus had done for him.

Likewise, the muslim also prays to Allah for the healing of his child and the same day, Allah delivers! He too runs in the streets to proclaim what Allah has done for him.

Please explain what has happened here.

 

[Saul_Durian]

You guys here about this new book found in Turkey? Might be some linking between the two religions. I am speculating, but that is something I have heard.

 

[WordGaurdian]

Can anyone tell me what the muslims believe. I have a mos near my house. Im not sure if I spelled that right. I don't wanna read a koran and find out I don't wanna be near that book. Its just that I hear they pray 5 times a day and the have like a little necklace thing that they carry with them like beads or something. Idk?? And I heard they have these like feasts. I think I heard one is coming up soon im not sure. So if u know their belief plz share with me and fill me in. All who can help is appreciated. God bless u all in Jesus name.

5 or 6 depending on how Devout they are. The best way to get answers to your questions is to do the following. Put on some sandles. (simply because it is easier to take off). Go to the Mosque. When you get to the door tell the person their that you are a Christian and you are curious about their faith and would like to learn more. He will then start to explain to you how it works. Go preferrably not on one of their prayer times. He will explain to you why they pray east... which is not really the truth ( they pray in the direction of Mecca) here in South Africa for instance they pray north. He will explain to you all the finer details of their faith. Be friendly and they will be friendly with you. He might even invite you to enter the prayer room for men. For that you are going to need to take off your shoes(hence the sandles) and follow their custom (as it is a sign of respect towards God, just like Moses did on the mountain. And as respecting GOD is always a good thing, you can do it without feeling guilty about it. Then he might take you inside and explain how Muslim came about.

Don't worry it won't "infect" you. You might just learn something about your own faith of Christianity. Understand that these people are people just like you and me. And even though their choice in religion is different from ours, their religion is quite close to the Christian belief. They won't feel offended because you are Christian and visiting their temple. In fact they would be happy to explain their religion to you.
And don't worry you don't need to sign a contract or anything.

And that is how you will learn a great deal more about the true facts about Muslim without insulting anyone, and keeping to your own faith of Christianity.

 

[In_Atom]

If you have any question regarding what Islam is, what it teachs and what Muslims actually believe in, you better ask a Muslim
Just for your information, I'm a Muslim.

 

[Shwagga]

If you have any question regarding what Islam is, what it teachs and what Muslims actually believe in, you better ask a Muslim
Just for your information, I'm a Muslim.

Hello nice to see you again Jawad. I would be happy to, thanks.

According to the Qur'an, who was the first Muslim believer?

 

[Shwagga]

Two people lived next door to eachother. One was a christian, the other a muslim and by religion, they never "really" got along with one another.

Outside of religion however, both had a child who were disabled. The christian prayed to Jesus everyday for the healing of his child, then one day it happened! God had heard his prayers and his child was made whole. He runs in the street telling everyone what Jesus had done for him.

Likewise, the muslim also prays to Allah for the healing of his child and the same day, Allah delivers! He too runs in the streets to proclaim what Allah has done for him.

Please explain what has happened here.

You didn't respond to what I said about testing the spirits, the fact is there are false prophets and false miracles in the world. Don't be swayed by every doctrine that says "God did this" or "God did that" test it and see if it holds up next to the Gospel. This really isn't the place to continue this discussion because it has nothing to do with what the original question was. Namely what Islam teaches and etc, not about do they worship the same God or whatever else. So, you have the freedom to continue this discussion, of course, but I won't be responding to it anymore on this thread.

 

[Israel]

You didn't respond to what I said about testing the spirits, the fact is there are false prophets and false miracles in the world. Don't be swayed by every doctrine that says "God did this" or "God did that" test it and see if it holds up next to the Gospel. This really isn't the place to continue this discussion because it has nothing to do with what the original question was. Namely what Islam teaches and etc, not about do they worship the same God or whatever else. So, you have the freedom to continue this discussion, of course, but I won't be responding to it anymore on this thread.

But my friend, this is exactly the heart of the matter. Do you see the Spirit moving and in operation with BOTH individuals, or do you see doctrine? I tell you that both children were healed, but we let lust over doctrine over shadow this in error! It was not doctrine that did this, and if our bible does not contain within it eternal life, why then subjugate another man into accepting a book over another in which life is not in it's pages as well?

There is but ONE Spirit in all and through all.These other spirits you mentioned, those of the world, what are they but that which is unclean out of our own mouths? It is the spirit of error which has no life of it's own outside of us.

Ephesians 4:4-7

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

The story fits perfectly with the content. How can we question or be bias toward a muslim when those who are christians cannot even unite under their own flag? God is made to be a mockery by doctrines of men. You mention the gospel and putting these "spirits" or words of error in comparison to see if it is of God, and rightfully so. But which one among men we should compare them to? If eternal life is not in the book, then the gospel is not in it as well. It is in us, written not on stone or paper with ink but on fleshly tablets of the heart by the Spirit of God.

 

[Shwagga]

But my friend, this is exactly the heart of the matter. Do you see the Spirit moving and in operation with BOTH individuals, or do you see doctrine? I tell you that both children were healed, but we let lust over doctrine over shadow this in error! It was not doctrine that did this, and if our bible does not contain within it eternal life, why then subjugate another man into accepting a book over another in which life is not in it's pages as well?

There is but ONE Spirit in all and through all.These other spirits you mentioned, those of the world, what are they but that which is unclean out of our own mouths? It is the spirit of error which has no life of it's own outside of us.

Ephesians 4:4-7

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

The story fits perfectly with the content. How can we question or be bias toward a muslim when those who are christians cannot even unite under their own flag? God is made to be a mockery by doctrines of men. You mention the gospel and putting these "spirits" or words of error in comparison to see if it is of God, and rightfully so. But which one among men we should compare them to? If eternal life is not in the book, then the gospel is not in it as well. It is in us, written not on stone or paper with ink but on fleshly tablets of the heart by the Spirit of God.

I know I said I wouldn't respond, but because of the falsehood that you presented here, I don't want you to deceive anyone who may be unaware. First of all you are not a Christian, right? There is absolutely no way that Muslims and Christians serve the same God. Have you ever read the Qur'an? If you understood the very basics of Islam you would see that the very scripture you presented in the Bible contradicts the very foundations of Islam! But for us there is one God and Father of all - Islam says no, there is no Father, Islam says God is not a Father because he has no children.

There is not just "one Spirit" in the world.. Read 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

IE False prophets like Muhammad!

Anyway if I were you I wouldn't worry about Islam. You need to study Christianity and learn the very basics of the faith. I am not saying this as an insult but as a deep concern I have for you.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers...

 

[Israel]

I know I said I wouldn't respond, but because of the falsehood that you presented here, I don't want you to deceive anyone who may be unaware. First of all you are not a Christian, right? There is absolutely no way that Muslims and Christians serve the same God. Have you ever read the Qur'an? If you understood the very basics of Islam you would see that the very scripture you presented in the Bible contradicts the very foundations of Islam! But for us there is one God and Father of all - Islam says no, there is no Father, Islam says God is not a Father because he has no children.

There is not just "one Spirit" in the world.. Read 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

IE False prophets like Muhammad!

Anyway if I were you I wouldn't worry about Islam. You need to study Christianity and learn the very basics of the faith. I am not saying this as an insult but as a deep concern I have for you.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers...

So in all honest, books aside, what does a muslim do that's any different than a christian? And again, christianity cannot come to agreement within it's own walls. Of which one of the many gospels shall I learn of?

 

[In_Atom]

Hello nice to see you again Jawad. I would be happy to, thanks.

According to the Qur'an, who was the first Muslim believer?

Adam was the first. Unless you meant to ask, amongst Muhammad's community ?

 

[In_Atom]

To be 100% honest with you, there are a lot of Muslim apologists or "evangelists" (in Christian terms) who are very deceptive and dishonest. This is not the case for all Muslims or even the average Muslim. But, the deceptive teaching from the Muslim leaders about what Christianity influences Muslims. So, they are taught lies about Christianity and lies about what we believe. The average Muslim has never read the Bible in the same way the average Christian has never read the Qur'an. A lot of Muslims who are active in "witnessing" will try to show you contradictions in the Bible to make you doubt your faith. Don't fret though, there are answers to every Muslim objection.

As I said before, if you have any specific questions please ask. This is a great 2-part lecture by a Christian scholar. It's very basic and lays out the very foundations of Islam and how Christians respond to some claims that Islam makes.

Part 1: Islam A to Z: Session 1 and Q&A on Vimeo

Part 2: Islam A to Z: Session 2 and Q&A on Vimeo

To be 100% honest with you, there are just as much (if not more) Christian apologists and evangelists who are very deceptive and dishonest. For instance, the apologist whom we see in the very link you provided above (Dr. James White) would fit the bill ( refer to the following Link: Christian Deception: Dr. James White caught lying about the Qur'an!! MUST WATCH - YouTube ). But that's true, this is not the case for all Christians or even the average Christians

 

[Shwagga]

Adam was the first. Unless you meant to ask, amongst Muhammad's community ?

What about Surah 7 verse 143 where Moses says that he is the first believer?

 

[Shwagga]

To be 100% honest with you, there are just as much (if not more) Christian apologists and evangelists who are very deceptive and dishonest. For instance, the apologist whom we see in the very link you provided above (Dr. James White) would fit the bill ( refer to the following Link: Christian Deception: Dr. James White caught lying about the Qur'an!! MUST WATCH - YouTube ). But that's true, this is not the case for all Christians or even the average Christians

The funny thing is, that in that entire 3 hour lecture you can only find one error or one lie in what he said?? Even more so, he he doesn't say anything incorrect. He never called mohammad a minor prophet, but a minority prophet. Meaning before muhammad set up his army he was very weak and in the minority.

Show me one time in history when Ahmed Deedat ever lectured on Christianity for more than 20 minutes without lying or misrepresenting Christianity? Show me any videos of Zakir Naik where he lectures for 10 minutes on Christianity without lying or misrepresenting Christianity? Or Shabir Ally, Abdullah Kunde, etc etc.. Any of your favorite debaters, just one. Any of them. Your choice! Give me the video if they exist.

 

[In_Atom]

What about Surah 7 verse 143 where Moses says that he is the first believer?

Qur'an 7:143 says that Moses said ''Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.'' after God revealled Himself to him. Indeed, he was the first of the Mu'mineen & the first of the Muslimeen of his community.

 

[Shwagga]

Qur'an 7:143 says that Moses said ''Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.'' after God revealled Himself to him. Indeed, he was the first of the Mu'mineen & the first of the Muslimeen of his community.

Where does it say "of his community" in the verse?

 

[In_Atom]

The funny thing is, that in that entire 3 hour lecture you can only find one error or one lie in what he said?? Even more so, he he doesn't say anything incorrect. He never called mohammad a minor prophet, but a minority prophet. Meaning before muhammad set up his army he was very weak and in the minority.

To be honest with you, I haven't eve listen to his Lecture at all ... I just came across that video in which he was caught with guile a few days ago, it was on the Facebook wall of a friend of I.

Show me one time in history when Ahmed Deedat ever lectured on Christianity for more than 20 minutes without lying or misrepresenting Christianity? Show me any videos of Zakir Naik where he lectures for 10 minutes on Christianity without lying or misrepresenting Christianity? Or Shabir Ally, Abdullah Kunde, etc etc.. Any of your favorite debaters, just one. Any of them. Your choice! Give me the video if they exist.

The same could be said about David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Shoebat etc.

Any of your favorite debaters, just one.

I'm my own favorite

 

[In_Atom]

Where does it say "of his community" in the verse?

No where. The verse reads as follow:

ولما جاء موسى لميقاتنا وكلمه ربه قال رب أرني أنظر إليك قال لن تراني ولكن انظر إلى الجبل فإن استقر مكانه فسوف تراني فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكّا وخر موسى صعقا فلما أفاق قال سبحانك تبت إليك وأنا أول المؤمنين

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

 

[Shwagga]

No where. The verse reads as follow:

ولما جاء موسى لميقاتنا وكلمه ربه قال رب أرني أنظر إليك قال لن تراني ولكن انظر إلى الجبل فإن استقر مكانه فسوف تراني فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكّا وخر موسى صعقا فلما أفاق قال سبحانك تبت إليك وأنا أول المؤمنين

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

Exactly.. So does "أنا أول المؤمنين" mean "I'm the first believer of my community" or does it mean "I'm the first believer" in English?

 

[In_Atom]

Exactly.. So does "أنا أول المؤمنين" mean "I'm the first believer of my community" or does it mean "I'm the first believer" in English?

I already provided you with a translation of it (ie. "أنا أول المؤمنين" ), why then do you ask that question ? re-read it ... perhaps, this time, you'll pay a closer attention and notice by yourself that the words ''of my community'' are completely absent from the actual text.



ولما جاء موسى لميقاتنا وكلمه ربه قال رب أرني أنظر إليك قال لن تراني ولكن انظر إلى الجبل فإن استقر مكانه فسوف تراني فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكّا وخر موسى صعقا فلما أفاق قال سبحانك تبت إليك وأنا أول المؤمنين

And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [ Allah ] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers."

 

[Shwagga]

To be honest with you, I haven't eve listen to his Lecture at all ... I just came across that video in which he was caught with guile a few days ago, it was on the Facebook wall of a friend of I.



The same could be said about David Wood, Sam Shamoun, Shoebat etc.



I'm my own favorite

Well since you just post videos and links without watching them, that speaks volumes as to how serious you are. I can show you where David Wood and Sam Shamoun speak for hours on Islam without misrepresenting it. The question is, are you be willing to watch? As for Walid Shoebat, I am not sure where he lectures consecutively on the topic of Islam. I've seen his testimony on AlHayat tv which he does not misrepresent Islam at all and in fact sheikhs call in and challenge him where he gives them references for everything he claims.

Okay, so the challenge is for you then. Do you have the ability to lecture on Christianity as to what we believe and what our core doctrines are for even a half hour without misrepresenting it or lying once? I would love to see that if you think you can do it.