Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

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What then is the standard by which we can tell if we are in deed in Grace or not.


You may disagree, but can I answer this way? If we accept by the Spirit writing the law on our mind and placing it on our hearts at the point of conversion we are born again. And if we are born again we are saved/in grace, does it not follow the evidence you have you are saved is heartfelt conviction of your sin before God?
That does not mean you have to fully understand grace as discussed on many threads on cc, but You are saved
 

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Sin is transgression of the law. The law God requires a person to keep is placed on their heart and written on their mind at the point of conversion. Therefore through the law placed in your inward parts you have heartfelt conviction of your sin. Under such circumstances, why would you need to read the literal letter to be made conscious of sin? That would negate one of the two core components of the new covenant. But I would stress, that does in no way negate the importance of reading scripture. I was brought up in a fundamentalist church, the bible is of the greatest importance to me and I read it avidly.
The Christian knows the law God requires them to keep, for when they do not live as they should, they must have heartfelt conviction of their sin.
Has that fully answered the question you raised?
I feel like there are a clear set of rules and then I try to focus on Him to be guided by Him day to day.

Psalm 119 (World English Bible)

-Your Word is a Lamp to My Feet-

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ALEPH.

1Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to YHWH's law.

9How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word.

15I will meditate on your precepts, and consider your ways.

16I will delight myself in your statutes. I will not forget your word.

174I have longed for your salvation, YHWH. Your law is my delight.

175Let my soul live, that I may praise you. Let your ordinances help me.

176I have gone astray like a lost sheep. Seek your servant, for I don't forget your commandments."

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

1 Yahchanan 2:1-2, "My little children, I write these things to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father: Yahshua Messiah, the Righteous; and He is the sacrifice of atonement for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."

Psalm 40:16, "May all those who seek You rejoice and be glad in You! May those who love Your Salvation always say: May YHWH be magnified!"
 
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Thank you for your answer.

If this is the case what then would you say to a child that has been taught to trust Jesus for their salvation, Has been taught about their need of the Holy Spirit and they ask for the law to be written on their hearts Yet they still do not understand right from wrong.

Would this fall under the heading of. ''How old must one be to accept Christ as their personal Saviour?
At what age is a child old enough to make such a decision?

For myself, I know when I was ten the law was placed on my mind and heart. But would I believe this could happen at three say? No!

Is not the law written on the heart and the mind, so intellectual understanding has to come into it does it not?
Would this fall under the heading of. ''How old must one be to accept Christ as their personal Saviour?
At what age is a child old enough to make such a decision?

For myself, I know when I was ten the law was placed on my mind and heart. But would I believe this could happen at three say? No!

For myself, I remember back to the time before I responded to an altar call at ten, it was a different world. It is hard to explain here the huge change that came over me. I became very unhappy, whereas before I had just been a normal child. For in effect I only had half a covenant-the law within me, I did not know my sins and lawless deeds would be remembered no more. It was the most defining moment of my life, until I learnt of grace
 

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What then is the standard by which we can tell if we are in deed in Grace or not.


You may disagree, but can I answer this way? If we accept by the Spirit writing the law on our mind and placing it on our hearts at the point of conversion we are born again. And if we are born again we are saved/in grace, does it not follow the evidence you have you are saved is heartfelt conviction of your sin before God?
That does not mean you have to fully understand grace as discussed on many threads on cc, but You are saved
I personally think heartfelt conviction of sin precedes conversion, (born again). It is that heart felt conviction of the Spirit that leads me to seek a savior in the first place.

I think that the law written on our hearts and minds is not so much about a knowledge simply but rather a state of being.

The 10 commandments on stone were a letter that explained in simple terms what right is thus showing what sin is. but that is as far as they go, they have no power to save or change our heart.

But when God puts those laws on our hearts it becomes part of who we are in Christ, The letter gives the Knowledge the Spirit brings the reality.

In this I believe the letter of the law still gives us instruction, but it is the spirit of the law on our hearts that saves.
 
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Is not the law written on the heart and the mind, so intellectual understanding has to come into it does it not?

For me, when the law is placed on your mind you instinctively know how God wants you to live, and in your heart you want to obey. Everyone has their own idea of how we view intellectual understanding in that. I am not qualified to go into such things. Sorry
 

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I am going to look into what it means to have something written on our hearts. blessings.
 

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Thanx for your replies Michael I appreciate it. Blessings.
 
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Thanx for your replies Michael I appreciate it. Blessings.
Hi
If I have missed any post of yours and failed to respond, please let me know which one. I do at times.

God Bless
 
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I am going to look into what it means to have something written on our hearts. blessings.
Only read it if it may interest you, otherwise I will not be in the least offended if you do not.

Now you may bewondering why people cannot act however they like if they do not have to be goodenough for God. For if their salvation hinges on faith, and not being goodenough under the law, surely they can do whatever they want without a care inthe world. People should be free to rob a bank, for instance, and not worryabout it, for they are righteous in God’s sight by faith, and that has nobearing on how they live out their lives, correct?
Well to answer this important point, Iwould like to draw your attention to a huge difference between the Old Covenantthat existed before Christ died on the cross, and the New Covenant that followed.The writer of Hebrews states in the tenth chapter and the sixteenth andseventeenth verses: “‘This is the covenant I will make with them after thattime says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts and I will write them ontheir minds.’ Then He adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I will remember nomore.’” (NIV)
Now what does it mean to put God’s laws in thehearts and write them on the minds of new converts? Well, I like the way theLiving Bible puts verse sixteen: “‘I will write My laws into their minds sothat they will always know My will, and I will put My laws in their hearts sothat they will want to obey them.’”
It means, therefore, converts will want toobey the good and holy laws of God in their hearts. Now this does not mean along list of laws will flash before their eyes every waking minute of theirlives. No. It means that in their minds they instinctively know how God wants +themto live, and in their hearts they want to live as God desires. They no longerseek a life of sin, but a life in line with God’s will. They have in this sensebeen born again. That is what Jesus told Nicodemus must happen the night hecame to see Him in John 3:3: “‘Very truly I tell you No one can see the kingdomof God unless they are born again.’” (NIV)
New converts are changed by the Holy Spiritwho has entered their lives. He lives in them, and their conscience will nowbear witness to wrong things in their lives in a way it did not before. This isan amazing thing God does for those who come to His Son. No man could
bring about such achange in himself − only God could − and it is a provision He makes for allthose who accept His Son as their Lord and Saviour.
You see, the Israelites in the OldTestament had the written law – the laws they were to follow to live as Goddesired. God gave that law to them at Mt. Sinai. The most famous of these lawswere the Ten Commandments, though God gave many other laws, as well. Most ofthe time, however, those written laws stood against the Israelites because intheir hearts they didn’t want to follow God. They almost mechanically strove toobey because the law was not written on their hearts. They thought they wouldbe all right if they simply followed certain rules, regulations, andceremonies. It is the heart that matters most to God, however, and their heartswere far away from Him most of the time, whereas those who are born again underthe New Covenant want in their hearts to obey God.
God told Moses the Israelites were astiff-necked people who would soon desert Him once they reached the PromisedLand. Their history as a nation records that most of the time they turned awayfrom God, got into a mess, and found themselves in dire situations. Then theyrepented of their wrongs and asked for God’s help, and He forgave them and gotthem out of the messes they were in. This was a cycle they repeated over andover again. It wasn’t always like this, but the vast majority of the time itwas. So you see, having the written law didn’t in itself help them, becausetheir hearts were far from God most of the time.
But that was the Old Covenant. Under the NewCovenant, which reigns supreme today, God has softened our hearts by puttingthe desire to obey Him within us. The prophet Ezekiel wrote of this hundreds ofyears before Christ died on the cross. He says in the thirty-sixth chapter of hisbook and the twenty-sixth and twenty-seventh verses: “‘I willgive you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you yourheart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.[SUP] [/SUP]And I will put mySpirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep mylaws.’” (NIV)
God says “I will” threetimes in the above verse. You see, friend, it is what God does for us. He will give us new hearts.He will remove our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh. He will put hisSpirit within us and move us to want to obey His laws. God will do these thingsfor all those who accept His Son as their Saviour.
Sonot only do we have a totally free salvation, but when we come to God throughHis Son, God changes us into people who want to please and obey Him in ourhearts. Now anyone who wants to obey God in his or her heart cannot at the sametime wilfully − without conscience − seek to disobey Him, correct? Such a thingis not possible.
Now when you are born again somethingsignificant happens. You become aware of your sin before God for the first timein your life. In order for us to understand why this is so, we need tounderstand what sin actually is. The disciple John tells us in 1 John 3:4, “Sinis the transgression of the law.” (KJV)
So we see the definition of sin. It isbreaking the law of God. The Apostle Paul states in Romans 3:20, “Through the law we become conscious of our sin.” (NIV)
You see, friend, only whenyou are conscious of God’s laws can you be conscious of your shortfall ofobedience to those laws, and your shortfall of obedience is your sin. For sinis breaking the law of God. Before you become a Christian, you sin in ignoranceof the fact that you are sinning. Once you become a Christian, however, thespotlight has been turned on. Through the knowledge of God’s laws placed on ourhearts and written on our minds, therefore, we have knowledge in our hearts ofhow far short we fall in obedience to God’s laws. At that point, we have a heartfeltconviction of our sin.
Now we have looked at whatit means to be born again. Let us now look at the second core component of the NewCovenant the Christian is under, which is found in verse seventeen: “Their sins and lawless acts Iwill remember no more.’” So under the terms of the New Covenant,a person’s sins (which are lawless acts) will be remembered no more. We knowthis is true, of course, because Jesus died for our sins at Calvary.
At the very moment youaccept Christ as your Saviour, therefore, the Holy Spirit places the law Godwants you to keep on your heart and writes it on your mind. You are born again.This results in you desiring in your heart to live as God wants you to. Becausethat is what you want, Jesus is an atonement for your sin.
You see, friend, God isnot stupid. He had it all figured out. He did not create a covenant whereby thosewho know they have a righteousness before Him apart from the law would then usethat knowledge as a licence to sin. He created a covenant whereby He places thedesire to obey Him in the hearts of those who accept His Son as their Saviour. Becausethat is what they want, He will remember their sins no more. So we see the twofoundational principles of the New Covenant are inextricably linked. Godchanges us into people who want to obey, and because we do, Christ paid thepenalty of our sin.
You see, there is what wecan term an “unbridgeable gap” that will be reflected in our lives. That gap isthe difference between the perfect demands of God’s good and holy laws and our obedienceto them. Now as I have met no one who has claimed to be perfect in his or her flesh,I have met no one who has ever claimed to obey God’s laws perfectly. We allfall short, every one of us. Thus we can say, “Christ died to bridge theunbridgeable gap.” The more we follow the true path of the Gospel message, thenarrower the gap becomes. A gap, however, will always remain, friend, for youwill never be perfect in your flesh.
I would once again place before youthe basis of the covenant the Christian is under, friend, for it is somethingwe need to fully appreciate to move forward in the Christian faith. So onceagain, here Hebrews 10:16-17: “‘This is thecovenant I will make with them after that time declares the Lord. I will put mylaws in their hearts and write them on their minds.’ Then He adds: ‘Their sinsand lawless acts I will remember no more.’” (NIV)

 

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Thanx that was interesting a not bad, I don't agree with all of it but there are some good points in it.

I would like to bounce some things off you if you don't mind, I am trying to work some things out and would appreciate your point of view.

In Hebrews chapter 10 it says,

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

What is the law according in this context?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

It seems to me to be the law of sacrifices being written on the heart here. not of animals but of Christ crucified as it shows:

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

So the old spoken of here is specifically indicating the sacrificial system and the new is the death of Christ.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified

It would seem that those who died under the Old Covenant are also only saved in faith by the new:

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

thoughts?
 
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Must a born again Christian read the literal words of the Ten Commandments in order to know it is wrong in God's sight for them to commit adultery, steal, murder, covet etc
all those laws except the Sabbath which was for the Israelites are reiterated throughout the New Testament so my answer would be no.
but we certainly do and we love them, do they do strike terror in the heart when we realize daily we don't live up to them.

praise God for His plan, the scandal of the cross.
 
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Thanx that was interesting a not bad, I don't agree with all of it but there are some good points in it.

I would like to bounce some things off you if you don't mind, I am trying to work some things out and would appreciate your point of view.

In Hebrews chapter 10 it says,

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

What is the law according in this context?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

It seems to me to be the law of sacrifices being written on the heart here. not of animals but of Christ crucified as it shows:

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

So the old spoken of here is specifically indicating the sacrificial system and the new is the death of Christ.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified

It would seem that those who died under the Old Covenant are also only saved in faith by the new:

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

thoughts?
We can see from your quotes in Heb 10 the law being placed within you is sprcific to the new covenant.
And incidentally, an elder at my wifes church read the entire book and said in her view it was very accurate according to the bible, so that was nice.

The law placed on your heart and mind, simply put must mean if you break that law you have heartfelt conviction you are sinning by doing so. That is how you know which law is placed within you. I would say that must be the evidence of which law God desires you to keep.

I am of the opinion those under the old covenant were saved by Christ's death at Calvary for Heaven, for no one was truly righteous under the old covenant.

Heb 10:14 that you referred to is a great verse to look at:

For by one sacrifice he made FOREVER PERFECT those who are BEING made Holy

If you are BEING made holy you are not perfectly holy, you are not perfect in your flesh, but your father in Heaven sees you as perfect for He sees the sacrifice His son made for you at Calvary, not your imperfections unto salvation.
 

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1 Corinthians 15:50-54, "Now I say this brothers: that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Yahweh; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.Behold, I show you a secret truth: we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed--In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible will have put on incorruption, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will be brought to pass the saying that is written: Death is swallowed up in victory."

Romans 13:11-14(ESV)
11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. 12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Matthew 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Revelation 2:10 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Hebrews 3:14 ESV
For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

Romans 2:7 ESV
To those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
 
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Thanx that was interesting a not bad, I don't agree with all of it but there are some good points in it.

I would like to bounce some things off you if you don't mind, I am trying to work some things out and would appreciate your point of view.

In Hebrews chapter 10 it says,

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

What is the law according in this context?

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

It seems to me to be the law of sacrifices being written on the heart here. not of animals but of Christ crucified as it shows:

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

So the old spoken of here is specifically indicating the sacrificial system and the new is the death of Christ.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified

It would seem that those who died under the Old Covenant are also only saved in faith by the new:

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

thoughts?
Incidentally, it is a longer chapter but if you would ever like to know why I have my opinions as to Rom 6:14, how it practically works out and the reasons for it, just ask and I will post the chapter. However, I know there is a lot of comments to read on these threads so time does not always allow us to read very long posts.
But as there is so much differing of views on this subject I thought it may interest you, to know we all desire the same result, living a more Holy life. The issue is more what brings this about I believe
God Bless
 

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Isayah 54:8-17, "With a little wrath, I hid My face from you for a moment; but with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you: says Yahweh your Redeemer. For this is like the waters of Noah to Me; for as I have vowed that the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth, so have I vowed that I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you. For the mountains will depart and the hills be removed; but My kindness will not depart from you, nor will My covenant of peace be removed, says Yahweh, Who has mercy on you. O you afflicted, tossed with tempest and not comforted. Behold, I will lay your stones with turquoise, and lay your foundations with sapphires. I will make your windows of rubies, and your gates of crystal, and all your walls of precious stones. All your children will be taught by Yahweh; and great will be the peace of your children. In righteousness you will be established. You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear from terror; for it will not come near you. Behold, they will surely assemble, but it is not from Me. Whoever assembles against you will fall for your sake. Behold, I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame, and forges an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster; devastator, to destroy. No weapon that is formed against you will succeed; and every tongue that will rise against you in judgment, you will condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of Yahweh, and their righteousness is from Me, says Yahweh."
 

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We can see from your quotes in Heb 10 the law being placed within you is sprcific to the new covenant.
And incidentally, an elder at my wifes church read the entire book and said in her view it was very accurate according to the bible, so that was nice.

The law placed on your heart and mind, simply put must mean if you break that law you have heartfelt conviction you are sinning by doing so. That is how you know which law is placed within you. I would say that must be the evidence of which law God desires you to keep.

I am of the opinion those under the old covenant were saved by Christ's death at Calvary for Heaven, for no one was truly righteous under the old covenant.

Heb 10:14 that you referred to is a great verse to look at:

For by one sacrifice he made FOREVER PERFECT those who are BEING made Holy

If you are BEING made holy you are not perfectly holy, you are not perfect in your flesh, but your father in Heaven sees you as perfect for He sees the sacrifice His son made for you at Calvary, not your imperfections unto salvation.
I think you are right about those under the Old Covenant being saved only by the New. as I think that is what 9:15 is saying.

But the law written on the heart is more than just the 10 commandments/law of love. but I think it is the whole of the New Covenant.

Like you said it is a "heartfelt conviction" but not just of right and wrong but of the true sacrifice/Jesus and the true high priest/Jesus and the heavenly sanctuary etc.

It seems its the whole thing written on the heart what do you think?
 
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I'll post it anyway lol in case anyone has spare time on their hands and wants to read it Have to post it in two parts:






Romans 6:14 says, “For sinshall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but undergrace.” (NIV) If ever there wasa statement of Paul’s to cling to, friend, it is this one. For what is moreimportant in the Christian life than sin not being your master? Many people canwrite books on how to overcome sin, but Paul tells us in eighteen words. And whowould know better than Paul? When he lived under the law he was the chief ofsinners, a blasphemer, and a violent man. He was so zealous to protect thePharisaic religion – a religion that pinned its hopes of Heaven on strictobedience to the law − that he was responsible for families being thrown intoprison for being Christians. Have you ever read Romans chapter seven, friend?Much of it is a tale of despair, of anguish, and of sin being Paul’s master,for he is recalling his time as a Pharisee before his conversion toChristianity. After his conversion, however, this same Paul became just aszealous to defend the need for righteous living as a Christian. For at thatpoint, he was not living under the law, but under grace.
Now what does Paul meanexactly by the Christian not being under the law? Well he states in Romans10:4, “For Christ is the end of the law forrighteousness to every one that believeth.” (KJV, emphasis mine)
So we see, when Paul sayswe are not under the law, he means the Christian is not under a law ofrighteousness before God. So Paul is not saying Christ is the end of the lawfull stop. No! He says Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. The law remains, therefore, but the penalty attachedto it for breaking the law (sin) is removed. You see, if you are not under a law ofrighteousness before God, you cannot be made unrighteous in His sight for yourimperfections concerning those laws, can you? It is not possible. You cannot be condemned, therefore, for your imperfections wherethose laws are concerned. You are off the hook. This is what so many find sohard to reconcile, however. They find it so hard to accept the Christian is notunder a righteousness of obedience to the law before God. They know that mustmean you cannot be condemned for your sin, the penalty, for it must have beenremoved, and to them, that gives a person a licence to sin. You see, however, itis much easier to understand Paul’s comments about us not being under the lawif we accept the core terms of being under the New Covenant. I would place thembefore you again, if I may, in Hebrews 10:16-17:

Thisis the covenant I will make with them after that time,says the Lord. ‘I will put my laws intheir hearts, and I will write them ontheir minds.’ Then he adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I willremember no more.’” (NIV, emphasis mine)

As I have previouslymentioned, the New Covenant hinges on not one, but two core points. At thepoint of conversion, the Holy Spirit writes the law on our minds and places iton our hearts. We have then been born again. We have been changed into people whowant to obey in our hearts the law God desires us to keep. At the very momentthis happens, we are not under law but under grace, for we have a Saviour from oursin. Our sins and lawless acts will be remembered no more. You see, friend,Jesus cannot be your Saviour from sin unless you are born again. For He willnot be anyone’s Saviour from sin unless they desire in their heart to live asHis Father wants them to. You see, God is not stupid. He didn’t make a covenantthat would give anyone a license to sin if the penalty for sin were removed. Bornagain people cannot view this covenant that way, for they want to obey fromtheir hearts. That is the whole point of being born again. If you want to obeyGod from your heart, as I have previously mentioned, it is impossible for youthen to wilfully − without conscience − seek to break God’s laws. It cannothappen, friend. Jesus said to Nicodemus, “Ye must be born again.” (emphasis mine) It is not an option; it ispivotal. Without that happening, you cannot be saved.
You see, no matter which countryyou live in, you are expected to obey the laws of your land, aren’t you? Thatdoesn’t mean, however, you want to obey them all in your heart, does it. Theyare legal laws written down (or typed) on pieces of paper; they are not placedin your heart. Because that is the case, there is a penalty attached to themfor non-compliance to dissuade you from breaking them, isn’t there? And thatpenalty deters most from breaking whichever laws of their land they do not wantto obey in their hearts. If the penalty wasn’t there, you could happily go androb a bank and suddenly become a millionaire, couldn’t you? After all, what is thereto stop you? You see, however, the law God requires you to keep has beentransferred from an external law written on tablets of stone, to an internallaw written on tablets of human hearts. Paul states in 2 Corinthians 3:3, [SUP]“[/SUP]Youshow that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written notwith ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.(NIV, emphasis mine)
Now, friend, why would thelaw be transferred onto your heart if the penalty for sin (breaking the law)must remain for you? If the penalty must remain, the law would remain where itwas, wouldn’t it? So, because Christians have been born again, they are notunder law but under grace. Paul preached the New Covenant, and he preached itmightily. You have been changed into someone who wants to obey God in yourheart, and because that has happened, your sins and lawless acts will beremembered no more. You are in a covenant of grace. You are not under the lawfor righteousness before God.
No matter how much bornagain people want to obey, however, they never will perfectly obey the wholelaw of God. If anyone could have done that, there would have been no need forJesus to die for our sins, for then we could have attained Heaven under thelaw.
You see, friend, there is apass mark, if you like, of obedience to the law to be righteous before Godunder it, and that pass mark is beyond man to achieve, for that pass mark is100 percent perfect obedience. James 2:10 states, “For whoever keeps the wholelaw and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.” (NIV)
James is quite clear,friend. If you stumble at just one point under the law, it is as if you havebroken all of it. In Galatians 3:10-11, Paulagrees with James:

For all who rely on the works of the law are undera curse, as it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to doeverything written in the Book of the Law.’Clearly no one whorelies on the law is justified before God, because ‘the righteous will live byfaith.’ (NIV)

Paul is telling us if werely on works of the law to save us, we are under a curse, for then we wouldhave to do everything written in the law. He states that no one could ever bejustified before God this way, for they cannot perfectly obey the whole law andreach the pass mark required under it. The righteous, therefore, will live byfaith.
Now some try to mix a bitof law with a bit of faith, but that is not possible either. Paul states inRomans 4:14: “For if those who depend onthe law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath.” (NIV)
That is also clear, friend.If you rely on obedience to the law, faith can mean nothing to you; therefore,you are cut off from grace, for grace comes through faith. The reason lawbrings wrath is because you cannot meet the standard set under it to berighteous before God. There is only onecovenant, friend, and that covenant is pure grace, not diluted grace. Suchgrace does not exist.
My uncle was a gamekeeper.Often in the evenings when it was dark, he and his son would drive to the edgeof a field and park the van so that it faced the field. Everything was always quietand peaceful when they arrived; hardly a sound came from the field. My cousinwould climb into the back of the van with a gun in his hand. When he was wellpositioned, my uncle turned on the headlights and lit up much of the field. Allof a sudden rabbits scurried around in a very animated fashion. They bolted totry to get away from the glare of the headlights, for they sensed there wasgreat danger in them. Now, friend, it would be a very stupid rabbit that rantoward the headlights, wouldn’t it? For it would be scampering to where thedanger lay. Now before you become a Christian you are a sinner, but inignorance of that fact. You carry on in the dark breaking the law of God,without being perturbed by it, for you don’t know the danger that exists byyour sin, do you? Your sin will hurt you. It can bring much misery to you, butyou will not recognise you are being hurt through sin. Once you become aChristian, however, the spotlight is turned on. You are now conscious of yoursin and the headlights that bring the sin to light is the law. Now you panicbecause you see great danger, for your sin can condemn you. Where will you runto escape the danger? Will you run to a law of righteousness or to Jesus? Itwouldn’t be very sensible to run anywhere other than to safety, would it? Yousee, the law makes you conscious of your sin, but the law cannot save you fromsin; only Jesus can. Paul states in Romans 3:20, “Therefore no one
willbe declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law [striving to obeythe law]; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.” (NIV)
Now if you run to a law of righteousness,you have rejected Jesus as your Saviour, haven’t you? You are now your ownSaviour from sin. Either you defeat it or you are condemned to hell. Yoursinful nature is going to relish this battle, for it is one it cannot lose. If yoursinful nature could lose it, there would have been no need for Jesus to die onthe cross, would there? Now though you may not consciously understand the passmark to attain Heaven under the law, you will have to set out in this battle tryingto achieve it, won’t you? For you will know that no sin is acceptable to God.You are now in a worse position than people were under the Old Covenant, forsacrifices for sin could be made then, but you are not under that covenant, areyou? There is only one sacrifice for sin under the New Covenant, but you haverejected it. You had a Saviour from sin for the briefest of moments. You didn’tbecome saved by obeying God’s laws, did you? You were saved because Jesus diedfor you, but now you must save yourself from sin or you are condemned.
Everything has changed, however. The sinfulnature is not now carrying on in the dark doing what it wants to do. It hasbeen brought into the light and exposed. Before it stands a law ofrighteousness, which gives your sinful nature power over you. For it can onlycondemn you through the penalty for sin attached to God’s laws, can’t it? Thatis where its true power over you lies. If you live under a law of righteousness,the penalty for sin remains. If you live under grace, the penalty of sin hasbeen removed. Now Paul believed sin will not be your master, for you are notunder law but under grace. So he is really saying that sin will not be yourmaster, for you are not under the penalty attached to the law if you break it.






 
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You see, it is the penalty of sin thatmakes you so fearful of sin, and your fear of sin produces great allurement inyou to sin. If I said to you, “If you think of a pink rabbit, God will condemn youto hell,” what is the first thing you will think of if you believe me? Youwould try desperately never to think of such a creature, wouldn’t you? Youwould become agitated at the thought of a pink rabbit. You would be, animated,overwrought, disturbed, nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of thecreature. You would end up in a frenzied state concerning it, I imagine. Nowthe more these emotions overcome you concerning the creature, the more thethought of the creature will overwhelm you; it will become irresistible. Yousee, however, as you know there is no penalty of condemnation in place if youthink of a pink rabbit, you will not get worked up about it, will you? Paulstates Romans 7:5-6:

For when we were in the realm of the flesh, thesinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruitfor death.[SUP] [/SUP]But now, by dying to what once bound us, we havebeen released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, andnot in the old way of the written code. (NIV)

Paul tells us the lawarouses sinful passions in us when we live under it. For he goes on to say wedie to the law − we have been released from the law (of righteousness) asChristians and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of thewritten code (the law). Why does he say thelaw arouses sinful passions for those living under it?
Well, you see, the same emotions that wouldovercome you at the thought of a pink rabbit, if you believed such thoughtscould condemn you, would also overcome you where sin is concerned if you liveunder the law. The penalty for sin is in place if you live under the law, isn’tit? Your sin, therefore can condemn you to hell. You would be extremelyagitated at the thought of sin. You would be animated, overwrought, disturbed,nervous, and panic stricken at the thought of sin. Now the more these emotions concerningsin overcome you, the more sin will overwhelm you, and the more your ability toresist sin will weaken. Why is this? Because those emotions bring you to anexcited state, friend. They are all bar panic-stricken definitions of the word excite. And the definition of panic-stricken is “frenzy,” and the definitionof frenzy is “wild excitement.” Theemotions that result from your fear of the penalty for sin bring you to a veryexcited (or aroused) state where sin is concerned. If you live under the law, therefore,your fear of breaking it (sin) results in sinful passions being aroused in you.That is why Paul tells us the law arouses sinful passions in us if we liveunder it.
Now I would not want you to be under themisapprehension that God gave the law to Moses at Mt. Sinai so it would arouse sinfulpassions in people. I would remind you of King David’s bottom line before God, forhe lived under the Old Covenant. He trusted in God’s unfailing love for him. Hesaid no one was righteous before God. So he didn’t trust in a righteousness ofhis own under the law to attain Heaven, did he? He loved God and knew he wassecure in God’s love for him, so he delighted in obeying God’s laws out of his lovefor God. That is how all should have viewed the law, but most didn’t.
Now under the New Covenant, God shows His unfailinglove to us by sending His Son to be an atonement for our sin. Many neglect thatunfailing love, however, just as they did under the Old Covenant. They becomeChristians and hinge their hope of Heaven on striving to obey the law ratherthan faith in what Jesus did for them at Calvary. They are then overcome withemotions that bring them to an excited state at the thought of sin. The lawthen arouses sinful passions in them, which results in the sin growing strongerand them growing weaker in the faith. You see, however, sinful passions beingaroused in people are not the fault of God’s laws, for the reason this happensis because people are ignoring the expression of God’s unfailing love for them.They are insisting on being justified before God, not by faith in His Son, butby works of the law. As I have previously mentioned, the Apostle Paul continuallypleads in his letters for people not to seek such a justification before God,but many refuse to accept it. And yet who better than Paul knew the futility ofseeking such a justification. For he said as a Pharisee he was the chief ofsinners.
You see, the harder you try to be goodenough for God by observing the law, the more agitated you will become at thethought of breaking it, and the more aroused and excited you will then becomeby the thought of sin. The Pharisees of Jesus’ day proved this to be true. No onemore than they hinged their hope of Heaven on being good enough under the law.What was the result? They became full of hypocrisy, wickedness, and everything unclean on the inside.They could fool the people, for they appeared Godly and righteous on theoutside, but they couldn’t fool Jesus. They had shut God’s love, mercy, andcompassion out of their lives. It was all about what they − by their ownstriving and effort − could achieve. They failed abysmally by taking such aroute, however, as Jesus words show us.
If you want to live a Godlylife you must embrace grace, friend, and that is the only way you will everhave true peace. If you allow yourself to live under the law, it will arouse sinfulpassions in you. That is the belief of the person who wrote half the books ofthe New Testament. You have to accept you are righteous in God’s sight by faithin His Son. You have to accept the penalty of sin has been removed from yourlife if you don’t want sin to be your master. You have to accept you are in acovenant of great love, mercy, and sacrifice. You see, when you repent and askJesus into your life as Lord and Saviour of it, theHoly Spirit will immediately write the law on your mind and place it on yourheart. You don’t have to ask Him to do it, and you don’t have to believe Hewill do it. He will do it. But youare asked to believe the other core truth on which the new covenant hinges: Their sins and lawless acts I will rememberno more. Only if you have both parts of this covenant in your life can theright result be achieved. The first part brings rebirth to you, for you areborn again. The second part of the covenant takes away the penalty for yourfailure to obey the law perfectly. You see, however, though God has removed thepenalty of sin from you, the law God desires you to keep remains on your heart.It is not possible, therefore, to use such grace as a licence to sin.
So when this covenant is working like awell-oiled machine, when we accept both parts of it, how does this work out inour lives? We will be acutely consciousof the failings in us − our sin − sin we hate, sin we do not want, for we havebeen born again. But we do not let thesin condemn us. We look to Jesus and cling to Him, trusting He (not we) is ourright standing before God, for He is our Saviour. We trust Him to give us victoryover the sin we are enslaved by. By doing this we are living not under law butunder grace. Sin’s power in our lives is now dealt a crushing blow, for Paultells us where the power of sin lies. He states in 1 Corinthians 15:56, “Thepower of sin is the law.” (NIV)
Why does Paul state this? Well Paul isreferring here to the law with its penalty in place for breaking it. As we haveseen, the true power of sin is in the penalty attached to the law if you breakit, for through that penalty sin has the power to condemn you to hell, andthrough the fear of that penalty many sinful passions are aroused in you. Withthe penalty of sin removed from you, sin has been robbed of its true power inand dominance over your life. For your righteousness before God rests in whatJesus did for you at Calvary, not obedience to the law.
The great Evangelist Kathryn Khulman said, “Christdied to pay the penalty of your sin, and he died to break the power of sin.” Byachieving the first, the second automatically follows.
God created a covenant whereby he put thedesire in your heart to obey Him − you have been born again. Because that isthe case, Jesus paid the penalty of your sin, but though he paid the penalty ofyour sin, the law remains intact on your heart. By Jesus paying that penalty, Heremoved the true power of sin from your life. Now what happens, friend, if youtake the power of something away? It must weaken, mustn’t it? Nothing else ispossible. The Christian’s born again heartfelt desire to obey can now come tofruition, for Jesus’ sacrifice at Calvary has fatally weakened sin, which iswhat opposes obedience. So Paul states in Romans 3:31, “Do we,then, nullify the law by this faith? [a righteousness of faith in Christ-notobedience to the law] Not at all!Rather, we uphold the law.” (NIV, emphasis mine)
What an incredible covenant this is. No mancould have thought up such a covenant as this, only God, for His thoughts andHis ways are far higher than ours. SoPaul states, “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not underthe law but under grace.”
How would sincere Christiansrespond to the truth of the New Covenant if they have been living under the lawsince the day they were converted? They would sink to their knees before Godwith tears of gratitude streaming down their cheeks. They would be as happy asthey were the day they became Christians, for they would have their Saviourback. They would no longer be striving to save themselves under a burden ofgreat guilt, fear, and
condemnation;sin’s power would then be broken in their lives, for they would not be livingunder law but under grace. Never again would they let Satan tell them they hadto strive to be good enough, for they would know the futility of such anapproach.
You see, friend, Satan’s name inHebrew is the accuser. Night and dayhe will torment you about your failures. He will accuse you where you are mostvulnerable. He only has one battering ram with which to try to pummel you. Youare not good enough according to the standard set by the law. None of us can be,friend. If we could, Jesus need not have died at Calvary for our sins. You see,however, if you know in your heart your sins and lawless acts will beremembered no more, Satan has lost his power to hurt you with his accusations.You know Jesus paid the penalty of your shortcomings in full. You are then in acovenant of grace, friend, and there is no other covenant. You are in acovenant of great love, mercy, and sacrifice. You are now free to love God asGod wants you to love Him, for you understand the Amazing Grace his Son died togive you. You are free to truly worship and praise God as He wants you topraise and worship Him because your eyes are opened to the incredible love Hehas shown to you, an undeserving sinner. And you will want to tell others ofthis Amazing Grace that saved a wretch like you, who once was lost but now is found,was blind but now you see.
Iwould place before you once more the core of this wonderful covenant of gracein Hebrews 10:16-17:

Thisis the covenant I will make with them after that time,says the Lord. ‘I will put my laws intheir hearts, and I will write them ontheir minds.’ Then he adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I willremember no more.’ (NIV, emphasis mine)

Condemnation has gone forthe Christian, friend. The writer of Hebrews states in the ninth chapter andthe twenty-fifth through twenty-eighth verses:

Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again andagain, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with bloodthat is not his own. OtherwiseChrist would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at theculmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.[SUP] [/SUP]Just as people are destined to die once, andafter that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificedonce to take away the sins of many. (NIV, emphasis mine)

The High Priest enteredthe most holy place once a year for all the sins of the people, but our HighPriest gave one sacrifice, an eternal sacrifice for the sins of those who wouldcome to God through Him. Jesus’ sacrifice at Calvary covered all ourshortcomings. Our sins and lawless acts are remembered no more, for Jesus saidin John 8:32-36:

‘Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. They answered him, ‘We are Abraham’s descendantsand have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be setfree?’[SUP] [/SUP]Jesus replied, ‘Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. [SUP] [/SUP]Now a slave has no permanent placein the family, but a son belongs to it forever. [SUP] [/SUP]Soif the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.’” (NIV, emphasis mine)

You are not a slave, friend, if you ask Jesus into your life as Lordand Saviour of it. Jesus’ sacrifice foryou has set you free from your slavery to sin and death. You have been adoptedinto the family of God, you are His child and He is your Father, and you belongto that family forever.
Itis a full-proof covenant. When you follow the truth of grace, sin will not beyour master. So it is not possible to be committed to grace and at the sametime sin as much as you want. Grace sets you free. And when we fail, as we alldo at times, the law on our hearts brings us to have no rest − no peace − untilwe come before our Father in Heaven as a child does a parent and ask Hisforgiveness for our failing. And because we know God loves us, we can beassured of His forgiveness, for we are part of His family now. You cannot usurp grace in order to happilyfollow after the flesh; it is not possible. God is smarter than we are, friend,for He made a perfect covenant. There are no holes in it.
 
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I think you are right about those under the Old Covenant being saved only by the New. as I think that is what 9:15 is saying.

But the law written on the heart is more than just the 10 commandments/law of love. but I think it is the whole of the New Covenant.

Like you said it is a "heartfelt conviction" but not just of right and wrong but of the true sacrifice/Jesus and the true high priest/Jesus and the heavenly sanctuary etc.

It seems its the whole thing written on the heart what do you think?
I can only repeat my previous answer. Sin is transgression of the law. Therefore if you have the law placed on your heart and written on your mind by the Spirit God desires you to keep, you MUST have heartfelt conviction you are sinning when you do not keep that law. That must be how you know which law has been placed within you