Must a Christian read the Ten Commandments to Know How God wants them to live?

[kennethcadwell]

No I can read the Greek Kenneth and there is no possible way the passage could be translated as you posted it.


1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Transgressing the law means breaking it......

If the law says do not steal.......then you have transgressed the law if you steal
If the law says do not lie..........then you have transgressed the law if you lie

And so on and so on.
The scriptures say if you are in Christ you will not sin, because you will be walking in the Spirit and love. And love will not steal, kill, lie, covet, adultery, idolatry, and so on. Walking in love upholds the standards of the moral law, and walking in the flesh transgresses the law by breaking it for giving into your lusts. So when you sin you have been drawn away from Christ by your own lusts as James clearly says.
If you say what you say that you are in Christ, so you never sin at all ever again.
Have you not sinned today, yesterday, the past month, or the past year? If you say yes to this then the bible says you are a liar, which is a sin.....

 

[kennethcadwell]

Transgressing the law means breaking it......

If the law says do not steal.......then you have transgressed the law if you steal
If the law says do not lie..........then you have transgressed the law if you lie

And so on and so on.
The scriptures say if you are in Christ you will not sin, because you will be walking in the Spirit and love. And love will not steal, kill, lie, covet, adultery, idolatry, and so on. Walking in love upholds the standards of the moral law, and walking in the flesh transgresses the law by breaking it for giving into your lusts. So when you sin you have been drawn away from Christ by your own lusts as James clearly says.
If you say what you say that you are in Christ, so you never sin at all ever again.
Have you not sinned today, yesterday, the past month, or the past year? If you say yes to this then the bible says you are a liar, which is a sin.....

That is if you say yes that you have not sinned at any time in the past year, then the bible says you are a liar...........

 

[Mitspa]

Transgressing the law means breaking it......

If the law says do not steal.......then you have transgressed the law if you steal
If the law says do not lie..........then you have transgressed the law if you lie

And so on and so on.
The scriptures say if you are in Christ you will not sin, because you will be walking in the Spirit and love. And love will not steal, kill, lie, covet, adultery, idolatry, and so on. Walking in love upholds the standards of the moral law, and walking in the flesh transgresses the law by breaking it for giving into your lusts. So when you sin you have been drawn away from Christ by your own lusts as James clearly says.
If you say what you say that you are in Christ, so you never sin at all ever again.
Have you not sinned today, yesterday, the past month, or the past year? If you say yes to this then the bible says you are a liar, which is a sin.....

No a believer in Christ cannot break the law of Moses. because they are not under the law....If a believer lies or steals they are breaking the law of Christ to love...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[gotime]

No a believer in Christ cannot break the law of Moses. because they are not under the law....If a believer lies or steals they are breaking the law of Christ to love...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Its called the law of God, Moses did not give the 10 commandments they were given, spoken, written by God himself. You break Gods law deliberately and you are under its condemnation.

 

[gotime]

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

shall we break the law because we are not under the law? God forbid.

 

[Mitspa]

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

shall we break the law because we are not under the law? God forbid.

Who is saying to sin? The strength of sin is the law, the power over sin is grace...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Mitspa]

Its called the law of God, Moses did not give the 10 commandments they were given, spoken, written by God himself. You break Gods law deliberately and you are under its condemnation.

No its called the law of Moses!

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

 

[gotime]

Who is saying to sin? The strength of sin is the law, the power over sin is grace...

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

but sin is breaking the law. what law:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So if we break any one of the 10 commandments which God gave then we sin, and unless we repent/turn away from breaking it we bring ourselves under condemnation.

 

[Mitspa]

Ac 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Ac 28:23 ¶ And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses,
1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses,

 

[Mitspa]

but sin is breaking the law. what law:

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

So if we break any one of the 10 commandments which God gave then we sin, and unless we repent/turn away from breaking it we bring ourselves under condemnation.

So? a believer is not under the law.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

 

[gotime]

No its called the law of Moses!

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

Is that Moses?

 

[gotime]

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

did Moses write them?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Its called the law of God, Moses did not give the 10 commandments they were given, spoken, written by God himself. You break Gods law deliberately and you are under its condemnation.

Yes God gave the commandments and wrote them in stone by His own hand.
Moses only delivered those commands from God to the people, Moses did not write them.
So the 10 commandments are the moral laws of God, and if you as a believer break any one of these commands you are transgressing the law. Breaking His commands, and the penalty for doing this is not the same penalty that came with the written ordinances within the Mosaic laws. The penalty now for those who are called a brother or sister in Christ who continue to break them willfully if they do not repent of them the penalty is the second death.

 

[Mitspa]

do you guys believe the bible?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[Mitspa]

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

did Moses write them?

Its called the law of Moses and the bible says the law was given by Moses.

 

[Mitspa]

do you guys believe the bible?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[Mitspa]

Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Ro 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

 

[Mitspa]

1Ti 1:5 ¶ Now the end of the commandments is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith without hypocrisy: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[gotime]

do you guys believe the bible?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Indeed I do. we actually quoted bible for our position remember?

DO you understand the scriptures you hare quoting?

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Paul makes it clear that sin is breaking the law same a John etc. so then Paul says:

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

So knowing the biblical definition of sin this is saying Shall we break the law because we are not under it but under Grace? God forbid he says. So if you are not breaking it/sin what are you doing?

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Notice the words carefully. "being dead wherein we were held" what were we held in?

Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Answer sin which is breaking the law. how did that happen?

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God.

Notice the whole context is on us dying not the law but us. the problem was our sin/breaking the law. but through the Spirit we have died to sin and thus we are delivered from the law because the law only condemns sinners.

Ro 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Rom 10:5 For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby.

this is a quote from the law of sacrifices and priesthood in Leviticus.

The blood of animals could not make us righteous but the blood of Jesus does.

Simple​

 

[gotime]

Its called the law of Moses and the bible says the law was given by Moses.

sorry I didn't hear you who was it that wrote it again? and who was it that said it? and who was it that gave Moses the 10 commandments?