Must we repent in order to be forgiven?

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Being a Child of God through the new birth is being ' saved ' . ' saved is also referring to when we are glorified. Its not Just one meaning for ' saved ' . God predestines a believer after they are regenerated to the Adoption which is called the adoption as described in Rom 8 .23
God says...saved...and we are glorified.
What is your point?
 
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Yes were not yet Glorified . But because we are Guranteed to be ,by the sealing of the indwelling Holy Spirit . It can be said that we are SAVED ..A person who is justified and regenerated, is already spiritually seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS ( EPH 2.6 ) Were supposed to live in this reality/ truth ,by faith. Thats were the power comes from for living and preaching the gosepl . From trusting his word . Many do not believe this and are ineffective because of self focusing and fear .
Yes it can and has been said. But, we can not change the Bible. ......it is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement....
That is specific language no one can argue with.
 

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Yes it can and has been said. But, we can not change the Bible. ......it is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement....
That is specific language no one can argue with.
No one in Christ will face the great white throne.
 

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If alive no one is saved. The Bible says we have repented and are born again. We are not saved until death occurs and at Judgement God says we are saved.
Your confused. God says were saved the moment we are in Christ . Its not cease fire..we have peace with God now ( if we are in Christ) . Its not a pass or fail . its not like we graduate at the end or not . We're not earning our diploma at the end .
 

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Yes it can and has been said. But, we can not change the Bible. ......it is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement....
That is specific language no one can argue with.
Its appointed unto 'man 'to die once . In context. A person in christ does not come under THIS judgment..He has peace with God . Justified . Not appointed unto wrath .
 

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The disciples aren’t Jews anymore but Christians now. The tribulation will also be about the Jews...in fact that’s when the church age ends...however we will be the ones sharing the gospel to the world as we are the only ones that know it.


Haha, you are pretty set on irrelevant points. The church is mentioned though in revelation 6 with the martyrs under the alter and the opening of the 5th seal.
Which verse mentions the church after rev 4 ?
 
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yes true gospel. what is preached now through fragmented Christianity is for the purpose of drawing followers making it a false gospel separate from the Spirit. There is no other explanation since in truth there is one spirit, one faith, one baptism. The two prophets will restore truth through their prophecy which will be received by the 144,000 who will go forth in the world restoring the true message of Christ, and they, like the original apostles and teachers, will be persecuted and put to death because of that true gospel along with those who are converted through their preaching.
 

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yes true gospel. what is preached now through fragmented Christianity is for the purpose of drawing followers making it a false gospel separate from the Spirit. There is no other explanation since in truth there is one spirit, one faith, one baptism. The two prophets will restore truth through their prophecy which will be received by the 144,000 who will go forth in the world restoring the true message of Christ, and they, like the original apostles and teachers, will be persecuted and put to death because of that true gospel along with those who are converted through their preaching.
The Gospel is 1 cor 15 .1-4
 

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Why do people have a problem with repenting? Why not repent? What is the problem with it

Even most sinners do this in everyday life. You wrong someone and you say your sorry, unless you are too prideful to do so. I can see no reason why anyone wouldn't say they were sorry for doing wrong.
 
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The Gospel is 1 cor 15 .1-4
Yes, that is the gospel that Paul preached along with all his other doctrine which has been interpreted and misinterpreted by men in order to establish followers to their specific dogma making the gospel of none effect
 
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Everyone who is born again escapes the pollution of this world through the knowledge of Christ. Through the knowledge of Christ is the ONLY way we can escape the pollutions of this world. For you to frame the meaning otherwise is only an obvious attempt to marry your own interpretation of this scripture to your false doctrine
This I agree, with but one but understand what is in view when Hebrews talks about falling away.
No one looses their salvation.
 
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No the Hebrews 6 passage talks about being born again...only born again people can be partakers of the Holy Spirit.
Correct and that oh great salvation can never lost, forsake or taken back.
 
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Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off
All scripture must be understood in context and within the expressive style of the time, no where, not in one place when properly understood according to the context of the passage is the loss of salvation in view.

Cut off is not a reference to being unjustified.

When one is justified by God then that is a status He declares and no where in scripture do we see God unjustify.

"Saved" in scripture is not always a reference to spiritual salvation. Context is key.
Cut off is not a reference to loss of spiritual salvation.
 
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Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also shalt be cut off
Matthew 13:21 yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while. For when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the Word, by and by he loses faith.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered; and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
 
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All scripture must be understood in context and within the expressive style of the time, no where, not in one place when properly understood according to the context of the passage is the loss of salvation in view.

Cut off is not a reference to being unjustified.

When one is justified by God then that is a status He declares and no where in scripture do we see God unjustify.

"Saved" in scripture is not always a reference to spiritual salvation. Context is key.
Cut off is not a reference to loss of spiritual salvation.
This is what you who have perverted the true message do in order to marry up your misrepresentation of scripture to your dogma
 
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This is what you who have perverted the true message do in order to marry up your misrepresentation of scripture to your dogma
sad,

Like I stated eternal salvation IS what Jesus offers, nothing less, there is no Gospel otherwise.

Jesus does not state come to me and keep yourself saved, that is not scripture.

Believe as you will, but the Good News is to be eternally secure in Christ, because that is what He does and promises.

Justified is Justified, Declared righteous is declared righteous.... there is no quasi salvation, quasi-justification, quasi-righteous
 

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sad,

Like I stated eternal salvation IS what Jesus offers, nothing less, there is no Gospel otherwise.

Jesus does not state come to me and keep yourself saved, that is not scripture.

Believe as you will, but the Good News is to be eternally secure in Christ, because that is what He does and promises.

Justified is Justified, Declared righteous is declared righteous.... there is no quasi salvation, quasi-justification, quasi-righteous
Amen...
...xox...
 
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sad,

Like I stated eternal salvation IS what Jesus offers, nothing less, there is no Gospel otherwise.

Jesus does not state come to me and keep yourself saved, that is not scripture.

Believe as you will, but the Good News is to be eternally secure in Christ, because that is what He does and promises.

Justified is Justified, Declared righteous is declared righteous.... there is no quasi salvation, quasi-justification, quasi-righteous
I posted to you the words Jesus actually said and you are offended that they don't fit John Calvin's book of OSAS.