My Last Time of Dealing with "Disability/Illness is Unbelief" Posts

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ukok102nak

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atwhatcost said:
Not to worry. I would never go to someone to be healed because they have power, instead of God has power. The healer was tricked so God killed him? Not the real God. And because there is so much superstition surrounding that healer, even had I known of him, I wouldn't have gone.

God is capable of healing me. God will heal me. Of that I have no doubt. I don't know if I get healed in this body or simply get the next body that is perfect and perfected, but God promised healing, so I know he will. I have experienced a bigger healing. He has healed my mind enough that I have no doubts. He is still healing it.

Better yet, he has brought life into my dead spirit -- his Spirit in me. Doesn't get better than that! Even better than chocolate and raspberries together. lol
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actually i even heard that before

same opinion as ever but its ok for everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
may god bless you always so that the flesh and spirit become more
stronger when the theres a situation that our spirit cant handle.

what i mean is we both need the spirit and the flesh to become one with god.
for a flesh that is weak against evil, a good spirit can be corrupted.
 
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2 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This says to me that the Lord is giving people time to repent because he isn't willing that they perish. I don't see how you can say it says anything else.

Even dismissing that scripture, look at this
Ephesians 2:8King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Does this not say that faith is necessary? Aren't we told to believe? The Bible doesn't teach us that we are saved against our will, or despite our belief. Why would anyone expect to be healed against their will or despite their belief?
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Actually, the Bible really does say we're saved against our will, but you don't want to believe it. (And why would anyone NOT want to be healed? lol) Once you're settled in to universalism and our will trumps God's will, it really loses all meaning.
 
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atwhatcost

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ukok102nak said:
actually i even heard that before

same opinion as ever but its ok for everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
may god bless you always so that the flesh and spirit become more
stronger when the theres a situation that our spirit cant handle.

what i mean is we both need the spirit and the flesh to become one with god.
for a flesh that is weak against evil, a good spirit can be corrupted.
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A. We don't ultimately need flesh. (He's not out to fix flesh. Flesh is at war with spirit. Spirit wins through God's work in us.)
B. This is the God of the Bible I believe in, not the pantheist god.
 
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shotgunner

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atwhatcost said:
Actually, the Bible really does say we're saved against our will, but you don't want to believe it. (And why would anyone NOT want to be healed? lol) Once you're settled in to universalism and our will trumps God's will, it really loses all meaning.
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So you believe in predestination that God picks and chooses who will be saved. That makes sense that you would also believe that he picks who he will heal and who he won't.

I'm really sorry that you have been so deceived, and yes, I have read every predestination scripture and could go into a long argument with you that they don't mean what you think they mean, but I doubt it would help. You seem like you have your mind made up.
 
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ukok102nak

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atwhatcost said:
A. We don't ultimately need flesh. (He's not out to fix flesh. Flesh is at war with spirit. Spirit wins through God's work in us.)
B. This is the God of the Bible I believe in, not the pantheist god.
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we need the flesh for we will be judge according to flesh.
we cant work our salvation wihout the help of the flesh it is the reality we cant ignore.
remember how christ jesus offer his flesh and blood?

and so am i
the lord god who is good and doesn't lie
th truth of the truth that is coming . ...
 
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blondieindahouse

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2014 TV Broadcasts - Week 8 - Andrew Wommack Ministries

Incase you didn't finish listening to the first I sincerely hope you listen to this 2nd attachment here. The hard questions people ask who are suffering and who hope to find out about what is healing under the new covenant.

And I also hope you listen to the rest of the messages on healing here. I sincerely hope you take the time to listen. Lord bless you. Lynn
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I hope you find your way out of all the heretics you adhere to. You really are a deceived woman.
 
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atwhatcost said:
Actually, the Bible really does say we're saved against our will, but you don't want to believe it. (And why would anyone NOT want to be healed? lol) Once you're settled in to universalism and our will trumps God's will, it really loses all meaning.
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Then the jailer was told wrong when he asked "what must I do to be saved".

Under your template,they should have replied "nothing,you are already saved"

Systematic theology is not "what can I do with any given verse".

Rather,what is the panoramic,cover to cover truth.
 
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blondieindahouse

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shotgunner said:
I'm just going to lay it out there. First suffering and sickness is not God's will for anyone and it does not bring glory to God. Yes, God can teach us some wonderful lessons as we go through sickness and suffering but he didn't cause it to teach that lesson.

Sickness and disease is in the world because of sin, not necessarily because of the sin of the individual though.

Paul's thorn was a messenger sent from Satan to stir up trouble for him, not sickness.

The lack of faith may not be the only reason someone doesn't receive their healing but faith and healing have a strong correlation. Anyone reading the scriptures can see that.

God isn't going to heal anyone against their will just like he won't save anyone against their will. The scriptures clearly tell us that it's God's will that none perish, but some will refuse salvation. People can refuse healing also because of their unbelief or their doctrine.
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"Paul's thorn was a messenger sent from Satan to stir up trouble for him, not sickness. :

I just wanted to clarify that it was this statement I "liked" because I do think the thorn was satan.
I just wanted to clarify.
I am not a WOF gal. I absolutely do not believe that ALL can be healed if they just have the faith. God uses all things for his glory. We can not presume to know his thoughts nor his ways. Ever!
 
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blondieindahouse

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Scripturally she can defend her ground.
You can not.
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Actually that was a false statement you just made.. I can. I guess I feel it is common knowledge who the wolves are! LOL
I have done due diligence in past posts. Look them up wiseguy
 
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blondieindahouse said:

Actually that was a false statement you just made.. I can. I guess I feel it is common knowledge who the wolves are! LOL
I have done due diligence in past posts. Look them up wiseguy
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wof is error by emphasis.

The word is their strength,not their weakness. Most any wof grad could run circles around you. The healing and prosperity verses are hammered into them.

Their error is incorrect emphasis,not heresy.
 
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blondieindahouse

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popeye said:
wof is error by emphasis.

The word is their strength,not their weakness. Most any wof grad could run circles around you. The healing and prosperity verses are hammered into them.

Their error is incorrect emphasis,not heresy.
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A heresy is a teaching that deviates from the truth of Biblical revelation. It is a false teaching.
Anything that adds to or takes away from the word is HERESY in my book. Twisting scripture to conform to WOF is heresy.

Gal. 1:8-9 says, "But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed."
 
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ukok102nak

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we hope we dont understimate anyones understanding here
for this is we want you to realize from the start
e.g about what christ jesus offered about the flesh and blood
that one of our brothers told here

Mark 14:58
“We heard Him saying, ‘I shall destroy this Dwelling Place that is made with hands, and within three days I shall build another made without hands.’ ”

this is what he was trying to say
and if anyone think they have that same understanding
please continue work
but for those who dont,
god bless all of you always
for god brings you closer to him so that you could know
his words.

thank you very much
 
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Sin in its self is the cause of all diseases and sickness, it has nothing to do with unrepentant sin in most of all cases. Sin is a very real thing that goes much further than a blackened heart or troubled mind.
Sin is a cancer that eats away at the very core of all God's creation.
The afflictions of sickness and disease has caused many to turn to the Lord, then some have turned away.
Jesus asked a very important question that warrants an answer from all of us," Who do you say I am?"
Imo. If we are well fed, financially stable, disease free, un scathed from the world what testimony would that be to the world? But if in afflictions and toils our troubles and short commings our struggles, are made known to those that look to us for example or in curiosity then we can give a true answer to the hope that is in us.
And we can answer the question not only in words but by our very life ,"tho art the son of the living God.
 
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blondieindahouse said:
"Paul's thorn was a messenger sent from Satan to stir up trouble for him, not sickness. :

I just wanted to clarify that it was this statement I "liked" because I do think the thorn was satan.
I just wanted to clarify.
I am not a WOF gal. I absolutely do not believe that ALL can be healed if they just have the faith. God uses all things for his glory. We can not presume to know his thoughts nor his ways. Ever!
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The scripture says it was a messenger sent from Satan. I can't understand why anyone would say anything else.

As far as we cannot presume to know his thoughts or his ways, I do not agree. No I will not know fully until I am face to face, nor will I know the full council of God. I can however depend and trust that he will always do exactly what he has said he will do in his Word. Jesus told us that if we have seen him, we have seen the Father. I can know God through the character and actions of Jesus and through every promise in his Word.

Look at this scripture that everyone uses to say we cannot know God. He says in this very scripture that he sent his word because we didn't know him and because his thoughts are higher than our thoughts, he wants us to abandon our thoughts and take hold of his.

Isaiah 55:7-11King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Just as God sends the rains to the earth for a purpose, he has sent his word to us. Because we don't understand his ways, he has sent his word. Because he wants us to turn from our ways to his, he has sent his word.
 
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shotgunner said:
So you believe in predestination that God picks and chooses who will be saved. That makes sense that you would also believe that he picks who he will heal and who he won't.

I'm really sorry that you have been so deceived, and yes, I have read every predestination scripture and could go into a long argument with you that they don't mean what you think they mean, but I doubt it would help. You seem like you have your mind made up.
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Not a problem. I've already seen how you manipulate scripture to say what you want instead of it saying what it says.
 
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Then the jailer was told wrong when he asked "what must I do to be saved".

Under your template,they should have replied "nothing,you are already saved"

Systematic theology is not "what can I do with any given verse".

Rather,what is the panoramic,cover to cover truth.
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I see your "template" and deny it for I trust God. Sorry. Not getting into another nanny nanny nu nu fight on here. No one ever listens anyway, but listening was never the goal -- winning prove-a-point is the goal. I stopped playing your game. Sorry.
 
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And so now we're back to sides instead of the message. Well, okay. Who reads page 4 or later anyway? Have fun arguing everyone. At least now you don't need me to answer any questions you have of my original post. Have at it.
 
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ukok102nak

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in mark 14:58

most of people at that time misunderstood what jesus is trying to say to them.

they accused him as nothing but a liar etc etc blah blah
and even his disciples knows nothing about this
only afer he died to the crusifixion.

because the temple or the dwelling place that jesus mentioned
was his own flesh and blood!!

hope some people here get the idea
of that story.

thank you very much
 
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ukok102nak

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one more thing,
please guide us all
oh lord god the father who is good and doesnt lie and to our
lord christ jesus our your only begotten son our saviour when that time comes
through the help of the holy spirit may we pass all the trials
so that evil thoughts shall be aware that this people
are true believers of the word of god amen

in mark 14:58


most of people at that time misunderstood what jesus is trying to say to them.


they accused him as nothing but a liar etc etc blah blah
and even his disciples knows nothing about this
only afer he died to the crusifixion.


because the temple or the dwelling place that jesus mentioned
was his own flesh and blood!!
that after 3 days it will stand again
different from ordinary humans as we have today and yestesday.


hope some people here get the idea
of that story that was written in mark 14:58


thank you very much
 
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