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biblical yes
in the OT
but not even there it is recomended see
The old is passed
and NT is clear as water
i wouldnt dare to pollute it
But i read our scandinavian papers and they are truly in the same soft mist
i prefer the new wine
the clear water gushing forth from within as Jesus said to the women at the well
wich also where revealed of her sins
Many men have you had and the one you have now is not even your own.
I guess she must have frowned as I do when the Lord reveal my hidden sins.
Its a choice
Follow or not
So by your standards one women could have 1000 men.
Wow
Thats a lot.
Im not sarcastic.
But even Paul used irony in the NT
Mans selfish motives are always amusing.
But now I feel sorry for the original poster.
This..and im also guilty is just another example of our hard hearts.
It her thread.
Im sorry
Silence.
Remember my soul to pray tonight for the heart roke .
Jesus has promised to bind us up.
THATs a fact.
in the OT
but not even there it is recomended see
The old is passed
and NT is clear as water
i wouldnt dare to pollute it
But i read our scandinavian papers and they are truly in the same soft mist
i prefer the new wine
the clear water gushing forth from within as Jesus said to the women at the well
wich also where revealed of her sins
Many men have you had and the one you have now is not even your own.
I guess she must have frowned as I do when the Lord reveal my hidden sins.
Its a choice
Follow or not
So by your standards one women could have 1000 men.
Wow
Thats a lot.
Im not sarcastic.
But even Paul used irony in the NT
Mans selfish motives are always amusing.
But now I feel sorry for the original poster.
This..and im also guilty is just another example of our hard hearts.
It her thread.
Im sorry
Silence.
Remember my soul to pray tonight for the heart roke .
Jesus has promised to bind us up.
THATs a fact.
Re: FIND A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR
Wrong answer, Ericka. Don't listen to the above crap. You're here in the body of Christ and its a good step. Be sure to spend time in deep prayer with God, speaking with your pastor, embracing the body of Christ, AND speaking with a Christian marriage counselor who will have your best intentions at heart.
On another note, don't speak negatively about your husband with your children. Be honest, but be above the fray of bashing him. Negative words will only create more negativity in your life and darken the hearts of your children. We are praying for you all.
Wrong answer, Ericka. Don't listen to the above crap. You're here in the body of Christ and its a good step. Be sure to spend time in deep prayer with God, speaking with your pastor, embracing the body of Christ, AND speaking with a Christian marriage counselor who will have your best intentions at heart.
On another note, don't speak negatively about your husband with your children. Be honest, but be above the fray of bashing him. Negative words will only create more negativity in your life and darken the hearts of your children. We are praying for you all.
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Post this again Erika.
Maybe the post will stay on topic now that our
egos got its fill.
I agree with a reply that said its a good step you are here.
We suppose you have your own brain and the spirit of Jesus.
Its very good to just let it out in this environment just because we dont know everything.
about the whole story.
I know.
I tried counselling.
Its often only profane and cold and totally far away from the heart of compassion.
Its your feelings right now that counts.
Just let it out.
I would and i am not ashamed of it any more.
I know exactly what it means to blame everything on yourself for everything.
Thats the effect of living with a church that is lukewarm.
How in the whole world can so called christian pastors/Sheephearders send their own
people to worldly institutions at best or cold Pastors at worst.
Just keep pouring it out.
I listen and I know other real compassionate hearts are too.
It might clear you up.
And every christians first lesson is the good samaritan.
Many worldly institutions wanna play on this beloved verse about the samaritan
not to mention all the masonic charityorgs.
But how often do they really involve our father in heaven?
As for myself. I was born into a templar bloodline.
They are often very very perfect and kind but rarely dare
having a direct relationship with Jesus.
I hope and pray in my heart you manage the day.
I didnt.
Its been a long way for me.
But with Jesus there is warmth in the pain that transcends all profane
councelling.
I dont of course dismiss traditional counselling.
If Jesus is in your heart it might work to.
Best regards
/Martin
Post this again Erika.
Maybe the post will stay on topic now that our
egos got its fill.
I agree with a reply that said its a good step you are here.
We suppose you have your own brain and the spirit of Jesus.
Its very good to just let it out in this environment just because we dont know everything.
about the whole story.
I know.
I tried counselling.
Its often only profane and cold and totally far away from the heart of compassion.
Its your feelings right now that counts.
Just let it out.
I would and i am not ashamed of it any more.
I know exactly what it means to blame everything on yourself for everything.
Thats the effect of living with a church that is lukewarm.
How in the whole world can so called christian pastors/Sheephearders send their own
people to worldly institutions at best or cold Pastors at worst.
Just keep pouring it out.
I listen and I know other real compassionate hearts are too.
It might clear you up.
And every christians first lesson is the good samaritan.
Many worldly institutions wanna play on this beloved verse about the samaritan
not to mention all the masonic charityorgs.
But how often do they really involve our father in heaven?
As for myself. I was born into a templar bloodline.
They are often very very perfect and kind but rarely dare
having a direct relationship with Jesus.
I hope and pray in my heart you manage the day.
I didnt.
Its been a long way for me.
But with Jesus there is warmth in the pain that transcends all profane
councelling.
I dont of course dismiss traditional counselling.
If Jesus is in your heart it might work to.
Best regards
/Martin
God knows when we have made the sincere effort to reconcile, but God also tells us by His Word that we are not under oppression in such an case that the spouse by their immoral behavior have departed from the marriage; they are to blame: as for us which greatly tried, we must know that the Lord also had no more to do with those that rejected Him. They that know to do good, and does it not, it is to them sin. Remember the Words of Christ "My grace is sufficient for thee, for my strength is made perfect in weakness". The Lord is near to them of a broken spirit; to them of a broken and crushed heart.
Re: FIND A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR
For starts, share your heart with her. You bring to the Lord's Table very good advice and wisdom obviously in a straight forward manner. She will do well by listening to you. She is also free to pm any us for private prayers and heart to heart talks. She'll figure it out. In the meantime let's keep her lifted.
For starts, share your heart with her. You bring to the Lord's Table very good advice and wisdom obviously in a straight forward manner. She will do well by listening to you. She is also free to pm any us for private prayers and heart to heart talks. She'll figure it out. In the meantime let's keep her lifted.
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Re: FIND A MARRIAGE COUNSELOR
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Seriously speaking, the best advice I can give is legal advice. I don't know enough to give any other kind of advice. It's one thing when the person who wants the divorce asks for advice. Completely different when the spouse gives no choice.
4 41 44 56 69 and the multiplier is 10
(Whoops. That was the meganumber for August 12th.)
Seriously speaking, the best advice I can give is legal advice. I don't know enough to give any other kind of advice. It's one thing when the person who wants the divorce asks for advice. Completely different when the spouse gives no choice.
Seems to me that Jesus is talking about divorce being allowed because of the hardness of hearts. Notice the word fornication is a different word used in the Greek than adultery later in the same sentence. We know a bill of divorcement is allowed in the law because of the sinful hearts of people would cause uncleanness in a person(which was not so at the beginning of creation). This uncleanness(Crookedness/unfavorableness) could not have been adultery since the sentence for adultery is death. If we look at the word fornication it means idolatry in a figuratively way which is why it is not the same word as adultery later in the sentence. This seems to be the same as what the law of God says. And we know Jesus did not come to change it or preach against it.
Now we must remember this sentence is an translation which would have a bias from the translator of that time and culture. If you ask me then Matthew 19:9 is basically saying this: If a man put away (Divorce) his wife, and it be not because of any (uncleanliness/crookedness/unchastity) in her(not a justified reason) , and (she) then go and marry another, commits adultery, and the man that shall marry her is also committing adultery.
Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(Unchastity RSV version), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Deuteronomy 24:1
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:
In the case of 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 it says let not the wife depart from her husband, but if she (by her own will) depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. If the husband or wife is a believer and the other is not but pleased to dwell with each other then do not apart. But if the unbelieving part depart, let them depart. It seems to imply that if a woman departs she should remain unmarried or return, but if the husband departs from her then she is no longer in such bondage which seems to imply she is free to marry another (which the law also says in Exodus 21:10-11 since he is no longer providing for her which means she is free to go).
Exodus 21:10-11
if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
1 Corinthians 7:10
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
This is what I see the law and NT writings is talking about. My understanding is not the end all or be all but this seems to make sense to me.
Now we must remember this sentence is an translation which would have a bias from the translator of that time and culture. If you ask me then Matthew 19:9 is basically saying this: If a man put away (Divorce) his wife, and it be not because of any (uncleanliness/crookedness/unchastity) in her(not a justified reason) , and (she) then go and marry another, commits adultery, and the man that shall marry her is also committing adultery.
Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication(Unchastity RSV version), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Deuteronomy 24:1
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. 2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. 3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; 4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD:
In the case of 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 it says let not the wife depart from her husband, but if she (by her own will) depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. If the husband or wife is a believer and the other is not but pleased to dwell with each other then do not apart. But if the unbelieving part depart, let them depart. It seems to imply that if a woman departs she should remain unmarried or return, but if the husband departs from her then she is no longer in such bondage which seems to imply she is free to marry another (which the law also says in Exodus 21:10-11 since he is no longer providing for her which means she is free to go).
Exodus 21:10-11
if he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
1 Corinthians 7:10
And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
This is what I see the law and NT writings is talking about. My understanding is not the end all or be all but this seems to make sense to me.
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Yes, God have mercy. Tho it seems polygamy does take away a lot of the trouble because the wife will not act a fool because there are others and she cant manipulate her husband in the same way as in a monogamous lifestyle. And he can give her a bill of divorcement and kick her out if there is unchastity/uncleanliness in her (Deuteronomy 24:1).
Isaiah 4:1
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
Isaiah 4:1
And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
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It must have been hard to go back to your husband after he cheated on you and then kicked you out of the house with the kids. He is the one that needs to leave the house. Your heart will remain broken as long as he is in your life. The trust that was broken can never be fully restored. A man that loves his wife does not even think about cheating on her let alone actually do it. You are right about one thing, he destroyed his family letting you to pick up the pieces. I pray that God provides clarity to you and guides you on moving beyond this pain and suffering his cheating heart has cause. Welcome to CC.
It may be false according to a roman/western way of thinking, but not according to the bible. A man can marry and have more than one wife according to the bible. And it is not adultery. Adultery is when a man lays with a woman which already is another mans wife, causing both to commit adultery. Also if a married woman is taken (rape) by a man and she does not cry out then she is guilty of committing adultery. If it is in the field and none hears it then she shall be innocent.
Deuteronomy 22:22
If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
Deuteronomy 22:22
If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; 24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.