MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK...PT.4

[loveme1]

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods,

 

[AnandaHya]

No, you are making things up to suit how you want to keep the Sabbath, not how it is expected to be kept by the Most High Almighty Yahvah God.

no not really but you are too stuck in your ways to actually listen to anything I say.

How do you believe the Sabbath "is expected to be kept by the Most High Almight Yahvah God" ?

How can you defile the Sabbath with any action that would not defy you any other day of the week?

What does the SABBATH really mean?

 

[AnandaHya]

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods,

what does that have to do with the discussion?

do you understand these verses?

Romans 14
New King James Version (NKJV)

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
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[Abiding]

Here's my questions to those trying to find a way to claim Acts 20:7 as the first day of the week being a change in Sabbath.

1) Everytime Yeshua, disciples etc. did anything on the Sabbath day, scripture said it was the Sabbath day. Acts 20:7 doesn't say what so ever that this was the new day of sabbath nor does it refer to it as a sabbath. ministering is a 24/7 job.

2)Regardless of what Paul and the others were doing, discussing or otherwise has absolutely NOTHING to do with the commandment of keeping the ordained, hallowed 7th day Sabbath. Nor does it speak as such.

What needs to be done, is those continuing to find someway to change or make a justification for calling sunday the sabbath.
For even if sunday was Sabbath, you're not keeping it the way YHVH commanded it to be kept. It is HIS day, He specifically said to keep it, and to keep it HOLY.

Out of all the ten commandments, this is what YHVH said to us.

1) Thou shalt not...
2) Thou shalt not...
3) Thou shalt not...
4) REMEMBER...
5) Honor...
6-10) Thou shalt not...

Out of all the Ten Commandments, one specific YHVH said to REMEMBER!!! Remember the Sabbath Day and KEEP IT HOLY! PERIOD!

Why do people struggle so much with just being obedient to YHVH about the Sabbath? Ask yourself, do YOU even know why you buck this?


Colossians 2:16 and 17
(16) Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
(17) These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Those who try to use these verses as a way out of keeping the Sabbath. You're taking it out of context. It's is saying DON'T let anyone judge you because you keep these. YHVH DOES NOT CHANGE, HIS WORD HAS NOT CHANGED, HE DOES NOT NOR WILL NOT GO AGAINST HIS OWN WORD, QUIT TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES, AND QUIT TRYING TO CHANGE YHVH'S WORD. (caps added for emphasis)

The 4th Commandment of YHVH was written with His finger, do you honestly believe He is going to throw it out or change it?
Instead of looking for a way to not have to obey something, why don't you try to be obedient instead, and watch how much YHVH blesses you for it.


Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:


Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Shalom

I think you are taking it out of context. What was the Colossian error?

Acts 15:19-24 18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

22Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Also keep in mind what the Galation heresy was.

Acts 21:18-28 Is an example of what the elders and Paul taught that nearly got him killed.

The ten commandments were given to Israel. And so they became their moral laws.
The ceremonial laws were also given to Israel. Not the gentiles.

Jesus taught His commandments and even taught them in a higher level. The apostles
with their binding and loosing changed things(Mt 28). So please dont say God doesnt
change things. Surely God doesnt change, but thats a tacky cliche used alot, to push
an invalid point.

back to Colossians: in context this is telling people to not let a person judge you
for not observing, rather than for observing. It is not excluding or including. There
are many sections of the new testament useful to resolve this issue. The point is
these observences are eternal and perpetual In Christ.

 

[Avinu]

Preach it loveme1, you're right on with YHVH's word. Others will do what ever they can to twist Yah's word to fit THEIR agenda. What I find comical, is they try to use Yah's word to disprove Yah's word. It really shows a lack of spiritual and biblical maturity when people do that. Especially on topics that are so crystal clear as Sabbath.

Blessings to you, keep up the good fight. Shalom

 

[Avinu]

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods

THAT DESERVES A BIG WHOPPING HALLELUYAH AND AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[AnandaHya]

John 9:40-41
New King James Version (NKJV)
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”

41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’ Therefore your sin remains.

 

[loveme1]

no not really but you are too stuck in your ways to actually listen to anything I say.

How do you believe the Sabbath "is expected to be kept by the Most High Almight Yahvah God" ?

How can you defile the Sabbath with any action that would not defy you any other day of the week?

What does the SABBATH really mean?

My understanding is explained in previous posts.

Yahvah God is not looking for a compromise, his son died a terrible death for us to receive Salvation.

If that does not make you desire to be loving and obedient to what please him, then what will?

He is not looking for man to keep Sabbath every day, he set aside the day and gave instructions to be followed.



History is repeating itself, times of old the teachings of man condemned the people.

Modern day pharisees are telling ears what they want to hear, enjoy everyday life, God is love, he wants to bless you, give me $50.00 and he will give you $350.00.......................................

Yahvah God wants you to do what pleases him, we all trespassed his Law and the only way to be cleaned is by the blood of Yahshua the Messiah.

Do not take that for granted.

 

[loveme1]

Preach it loveme1, you're right on with YHVH's word. Others will do what ever they can to twist Yah's word to fit THEIR agenda. What I find comical, is they try to use Yah's word to disprove Yah's word. It really shows a lack of spiritual and biblical maturity when people do that. Especially on topics that are so crystal clear as Sabbath.

Blessings to you, keep up the good fight. Shalom

All praise to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah, I only relay all I have received my friend.

Thank you,for taking the time to encourage the truth to be spoken.

How does the old saying go? if it's written in stone, our Almighty Yahvah God works in wonderful ways.

 

[loveme1]

The ten commandments were given to Israel. And so they became their moral laws.

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.



ALmighty Yahvah God says, those that love me and keep my commandments.





36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Yahshua said the great commandment is to love your Yahvah God will all your heart and soul.


Now Yahshua the Messiah said the Greatest commandment is to love your Yahvah God, and Yahvah God says those that love him keep his commandments....


Yahshua the Messiah summarizes the whole Law with those two, because he knows when you keep the first of these two, you will keep them all.

And all the in the name of love and obedience.

 

[destiny]

Pls brethren read 2 Tim 2:16-18 then 23. V:23 NLT. Again I say, '' don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only starts fights.''
Again read 1 Tim 4:7
So pls lets be careful stop arguing whether saturday or sunday. Remember without holiness no eyes shall see God

 

[loveme1]

Pls brethren read 2 Tim 2:16-18 then 23. V:23 NLT. Again I say, '' don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only starts fights.''
Again read 1 Tim 4:7
So pls lets be careful stop arguing whether saturday or sunday. Remember without holiness no eyes shall see God

It is not foolish to speak the truth, it does matter what day the Sabbath is.

It matters so much that Yahvah God wrote it in stone.


Without truth there is no Holiness.

 

[Avinu]

Here is the plain truth. Those who refuse to keep the Sabbath day commandment are those who disregard YHVH's word.
There is plain and clear biblical evidence that the sabbath day(saturday) is and always will be the Holy Hallowed Sabbath of YHVH.
He even said to REMEMBER it always.

People who want to live their so called christian walk their way, will always find some way to twist YHVH's word around to fit their agenda, so they can feel justified in how they live.

But what they don't think about during these decisions of selfishness, is they will have to answer for all of it when they stand before YHVH, and then they are going to wish with everything, that they had listened.


So go ahead, keep treating YHVH's word as though it is something to play around with and not take serious. For those of us who choose to actually obey YHVH and walk in His ways and keep His commandments (as it says from Gen. to Rev.) we will bask in the enjoyment of our rewards for obedience, while those who chose to find excuses not to obey His commandments will have loss.

 

[AnandaHya]

God wants people who worship Him in SPIRIT and in Truth EVERY DAY of their lives. He wants LIVING Sacrifices not outwardly shows of piety without any inward cleansing.

You can keep ONE day a week Holy for God or you can keep EVERY DAY HOLY for God.

that is what you don't understand with the verses I posted or my beliefs but it matters not whether you understand me but your self righteous and pride in order to keep outward showings one day of a week is pitiful.

It is not what God calls for His people to be or do. God wants MORE then just not lighting a fire or not working or not picking up fire wood ONE day a week.

God wants a humble and contrite heart that lives for Him EVERY day and does the Work HE asks of them no matter what the cost or what the conventions of men condemn them for doing His work on their religious man made rules around Sabbath. For Sabbath is Made for MEN not MEN for the Sabbath.

Do you know what that means?

I say if God gives you rest, then thank Him for the peace and refreshing time He has allowed you to have.

However if God asks you to work on the Sabbath, to heal others, to help in any way and show His love to the world. then I say Follow the Holy Spirit and DO what GOD tells you to do.

Don't be stopped by religious laws people impose upon others.

Do not link my beliefs with the false prosperity gospel or the false licentious doctrine that many wolves in sheep's clothing are preaching, because you do not understand the simple message GOD gives in these words:

Romans 14:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[a] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

 

[Grandpa]

Romans 3:20-26
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


By the Law is the knowledge of sin. When we come to Jesus Christ and are considered righteous by His Blood which has purchased us, do we continue to look back at our sin or are we required to continue in the Holy Spirit learning of our Lord and His Righteousness that He has given us? Pointing people back to the law shows people their past sin and their past un-righteousness. This is not the Lords doing. For there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.

Does the Lord require us to be as the Jews and live as the Jews according to the Law of Moses? If it was the case you could rest assured that I would be its biggest proponent. But its not... The saddest thing is that the carnal mind understands the law just fine and punishment and guilt... The carnal mind does not understand recieving righteousness as a free gift. The carnal mind is an enemy to the ways of the Spirit and cannot understand them, they are spiritually discerned.

1 Timothy 1:9-17
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

My prayer is for Christians to learn what the Lord Jesus Christ has purchased for them and what it cost Him. The Lord Jesus didn't die so you could live as the Jews do. He died so you could overcome and have life everlasting.

 

[Avinu]

God wants people who worship Him in SPIRIT and in Truth EVERY DAY of their lives. He wants LIVING Sacrifices not outwardly shows of piety without any inward cleansing.You're absolutely right, and true worship in the spirit starts with obedience to YHVH's commandments.

You can keep ONE day a week Holy for God or you can keep EVERY DAY HOLY for God. Right again, we are to walk in Holiness EVERY day, but He set a specific day aside that HE declared Holy, and that WE are to obey in keeping.

that is what you don't understand with the verses I posted or my beliefs but it matters not whether you understand me but your self righteous and pride in order to keep outward showings one day of a week is pitiful. you're missing the point, what we believe is irrelevent, it's what HE says to do is what matters. What is pitiful is finding excuses to ignore His direct commandment.

It is not what God calls for His people to be or do. God wants MORE then just not lighting a fire or not working or not picking up fire wood ONE day a week. You're right again, it is more than these things. It's about OBEDIENCE to what He says to do. It's about not making excuses to annul His command.

God wants a humble and contrite heart that lives for Him EVERY day and does the Work HE asks of them no matter what the cost or what the conventions of men condemn them for doing His work on their religious man made rules around Sabbath. For Sabbath is Made for MEN not MEN for the Sabbath.
Show me ONE single man made rule around sabbath, I speak on the Sabbath Commandment in scripture, and it says, no cooking, working, or causing anyone else to work. To have a humble heart and contrite spirit means surrendering to YHVH and HIS commandments. again OBEDIENCE

Do you know what that means?
Do you?

I say if God gives you rest, then thank Him for the peace and refreshing time He has allowed you to have.
YHVH COMMANDS you to rest, why is it so hard to accept that, is it because it cuts into all your personal self seeking things you want to do?

However if God asks you to work on the Sabbath, to heal others, to help in any way and show His love to the world. then I say Follow the Holy Spirit and DO what GOD tells you to do.
This is where you really twist scripture. YHVH has NEVER nor EVER will tell someone to work on a day that HE commanded to not work on. Heal alot of people do you? And since when does helping someone on Sabbath become work? The Holy Spirit is not nor ever will work contrary to YHVH since the Ruach is a part of YHVH.

Don't be stopped by religious laws people impose upon others.
Don't mix religious laws of talmudic teachings of the pharisees, to the Commandments of YHVH.

Do not link my beliefs with the false prosperity gospel or the false licentious doctrine that many wolves in sheep's clothing are preaching, because you do not understand the simple message GOD gives in these words:

As I said, your beliefs & my beliefs or anyone elses are irrelevent and mean nothing. YHVH's commandments are what stand, and not you or anyone else can change it no matter how much you try. Disobey, and you will suffer the consequences, plain and simple.

 

[GreenNnice]

no not really some of the things they objected to are in the OT.

for example picking up fire wood on the Sabbath.there is an example of a man being stoned to death because he did it. that is why they objected to the man carrying his bed.

Or the teachings about eunuchs not being fit to be priest or not touching lepers because it made you unclean. that is all found in the OT.

Or gathering food which Jesus disciples did on the Sabbath and the Pharisees forbid to do based on the misunderstanding of the Exodus scriptures with the manna and commandment from God not to gather manna on the Sabbath day.

If people understood this passage they would understand that the KINGDOM of God is WITHIN and a SPIRITUAL kingdom and stop trying to create and worship a shadow instead of resting in Christ.

Hebrews 4
4 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them,[a] not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; [c] 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”[d]

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”[e]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

You should never work for "gains" but always live your life as a living sacrifice unto the Lord. Do your works to GOD and not men or whatever trinkets they may give you. I do not compare Jesus healing the sick to working for gains but to doing the good works God has ordain His children to do beforehand.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

We never cease from doing God's will no matter what day it is. His will is not some rigid set of rules but His holy Spirit guides those who walk with Him and in those good works He has entrusted to us. No matter what the world says or what day it is.

Material wealth is nothing of importance, praises of men are fickle, health is a gift from God. None of those things matter. the only thing is to do what God commands for your life and do the good works HE has entrusted for you to do.

1 Corinthians 6:12
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

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Present your body a living sacrifice holy, acceptable, which is the PERFECT will of God.

Go ahead and follow your 'sin' legalism of the Sabbath, Saturday, Sunday, personally, I let the Lord lead, I commune with Him every day and all the time, I want to do His perfect will as the Spirit leads me, and, the whole point of a 'day of rest' is to refocus, revitalize, be convicted by the Holy Spirit of weaknesses of flesh, and, hear what God is going to map.out for us that coming week, so, we can be ready to ENDURE all He has planned for us. This doing of things this way is our 'reasonable service,' laod, AV, so do NOT persecute people for their day of worship, as abiding very well said, that is JUDGING.

Careful, Christ brothers, be wary of things that can hurt others and, here is the REAL sad part, cause God to judge you. Remember, the story of the forgiving debts master, who lost everything because when he was forgiven of a debt early on in life he then later on in life was needing to forgive a person in debt, did not do it, and grave cosequences for that unmerciful man resulted

 

[Avinu]

Present your body a living sacrifice holy, acceptable, which is the PERFECT will of God.

Go ahead and follow your 'sin' legalism of the Sabbath, Saturday, Sunday, personally, I let the Lord lead, I commune with Him every day and all the time, I want to do His perfect will as the Spirit leads me, and, the whole point of a 'day of rest' is to refocus, revitalize, be convicted by the Holy Spirit of weaknesses of flesh, and, hear what God is going to map.out for us that coming week, so, we can be ready to ENDURE all He has planned for us. This doing of things this way is our 'reasonable service,' laod, AV, so do NOT persecute people for their day of worship, as abiding very well said, that is JUDGING.

Careful, Christ brothers, be wary of things that can hurt others and, here is the REAL sad part, cause God to judge you. Remember, the story of the forgiving debts master, who lost everything because when he was forgiven of a debt early on in life he then later on in life was needing to forgive a person in debt, did not do it, and grave cosequences for that unmerciful man resulted

My friend, this is all fine and good. And you're absolutely right, we are not to judge anyone. But we are not talking about judging. This is about obeying YHVH's commandments plain and simple. Not making excuses to find a way to disobey them. YHVH givesdetailed specifics for us in keeping His Holy Commandments. These have nothing to do with debts, it has to do with obeying your Holy Father. PERIOD.

As I've said many times on here. I find it sad, that many spend more time finding excuses for their selfishness and disobedience instead of seeing what YHVH's word says and knowing that He said it, that settles it, and we obey it. YHVH's word has NEVER changed, NEVER will, and those who choose to continue to disobey WILL answer for it, and will also be called the least in the kingdom of heaven for teaching anyone to break the least of His commandments.

 

[GreenNnice]

My friend, this is all fine and good. And you're absolutely right, we are not to judge anyone. But we are not talking about judging. This is about obeying YHVH's commandments plain and simple. Not making excuses to find a way to disobey them. YHVH givesdetailed specifics for us in keeping His Holy Commandments. These have nothing to do with debts, it has to do with obeying your Holy Father. PERIOD.

As I've said many times on here. I find it sad, that many spend more time finding excuses for their selfishness and disobedience instead of seeing what YHVH's word says and knowing that He said it, that settles it, and we obey it. YHVH's word has NEVER changed, NEVER will, and those who choose to continue to disobey WILL answer for it, and will also be called the least in the kingdom of heaven for teaching anyone to break the least of His commandments.

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I don't agree , AV, the Lord leads me, but this reeks of legalism thought.....

WHEN someone worships, belaboring their dsy, is not to be judgingly called by others, scripture is clear on this, as abide pointed out .

But, THAT someone worships, picks a day that works for them is to be done,, 'remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.' , that said,too, our relationship IS, ultimately, to be through the Holy Spirit's leading. God's will for our life is to be followed at all costs.

There is obviously dissension amongst believers on WHAT day is the Sabbath as eternally grateful is a good anti of your and laod's Saturday rationale, AV.

Judt speak in Love, and I have not talked a whole lot to you but I see your being more understanding and receptive of others say, regarding your differing thinking. I know too that God sees this humbleness of spirit by you too, God bless you, Christ bro.

 

[serpentslayer]

Avinu would have us all obey all the Law and praise GOD without ceasing (impossible), as one still in bondage. Obviously Avinu is a babe in the Word, and can only handle the MILK (don't do this, don't do that; do this and this); and has never understood that it is the Spirit of the Law. Adam was given eternal life by the Commandment for free, and he did not have a book of holiness to guide him; but, he did have a conscience and free will. The point? it has never been about the Law; it has been about doing right by our own conscience (keeping onesself unspotted from the world) and helping the needy. AKA PURE RELIGION (James). The Book had to be written after Adam sinned, because he sinned; and it was written to condemn us and show us that we are just beasts of the earth (Eccl) and sinners. Have you not read that there are now only two LAWS, and they basically say the same thing? (Mathew- Jesus speaking).

I'll bet Avinu believes the serpent was a literal snake, and Eve is really to blame for Adam eating the 'forbidden' fruit.