My Second ( FINAL) Effort: Why Pentecostal Doct Speaking in Tongues is False Doctrine

[STRUGGLING]

That the global false world church NOW at The End would be catholocism,look at the many killed by Protestants! A mega-merge of global apostate Christianity to be joined by the blatantly evil claimant to messiahship and fulfill the Islamic leader they wait for. But friemd, I have found that though this all intrigues the real subject is STANDING,OBEYING, ABIDING, ENDURING AND BUILDING UP TH E REST OF THE STONES, Rememering that The Cornerstone precious to US who believe was rejected by the builders finally9as the world has) so many NOW are hearing of ajesus but not a word really about our Lord,How now,can you intruduce people to the Truth yuo know when the whole world is telling and believing a lie?

 

[journey41]

That the global false world church NOW at The End would be catholocism,look at the many killed by Protestants! A mega-merge of global apostate Christianity to be joined by the blatantly evil claimant to messiahship and fulfill the Islamic leader they wait for. But friemd, I have found that though this all intrigues the real subject is STANDING,OBEYING, ABIDING, ENDURING AND BUILDING UP TH E REST OF THE STONES, Rememering that The Cornerstone precious to US who believe was rejected by the builders finally9as the world has) so many NOW are hearing of ajesus but not a word really about our Lord,How now,can you intruduce people to the Truth yuo know when the whole world is telling and believing a lie?

[/QUOTE]Thats very true my friend,but the Catholic church is not the only one, as there are many daughters of this church that hold the same basic principles. Although the others know that it is wrong to worship Mary, they still hold on to their main doctrine...the trinity, and an inbetween place when we die, or going straight to heaven or hell at death and many more things in common that they dont realise...

The churches are mainstream now and they are all holding hands, only they have done away with what they dont want but have kept the rest. The devil has gone into the churches and has created havic with Gods children. These children are supposed to represent God's teachings, but all they do is attack anyone who doesn't belong or fit their doctrine.

The devil has decieved so many. The unbelievers dont care, because the devil isn't real to them anyway, but the christians are the real ones that are decieved as they have the word of God on hand but cannot see his word not understand it...Something is terribly wrong..

If there was one single church that taught the truth as I have understood it, then I would not hesitate to attend. I would love to be around bethren and share this love and truth..But for some, church is a stepping stone, as it comes with a bible and thats a start. If they can concentrate on whats in the bible a little more and not listen to "stories" about how other people came to God or go for the "miracles" then they can stay in their church with the truth in their heart..if they can persevere in silence, then thats great and then they can keep all their friends.

We need to pray for them because time is short and God is going to seal the 144,000 before the trumpets start and if what they say is true...that there are no actual physical Jews left, but only spiritual adopted Jews, then I guess we can count ourselves in! But thats another subject.

Good day to you in the Lord friend.

 

[Scotth1960]

This is a re-posting of an old thread, of which I had all my posts cut off into very small paragraphs, and thus muddying and ruining the OP. I apologize to everyone who read that and is now reading the same thing here, but I was cut off, and I had written FAR more than what I posted. I used that thread as a "test" to see what went wrong with the forum bug, so hopefully, this thread will be my final CORRECT effort in conveying my thoughts and opinions on the subject. I appreciate everyone taking the time to read, and possibly respond to what I say, good or bad! In the end, everything is for the Glory of Christ, and I truly don't want to create hardened hearts and/or make anyone upset with what I say. If you don't agree, we can respectfully discuss it, and perhaps either one of us will see the truth, or we will agree to disagree With all that being said... READ ON!!!!

First of all, I'd like to state that every single denomination has some form of false man-made doctrine that really doesn't belong and shouldn't be taught. I'm focusing on one, but that doesn't justify, edify, and/or say any other denomination is better in any way. If you need to know, I'm non-denominational, because I view all denominations as a division in the church that shouldn't be there. That being said, read on.

DEAR FRIEND, I USED TO BELIEVE IN SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS I PRACTICED IT ACCORDING TO ASSEMBLIES OF GOD PENTECOSTAL DOCTRINE REGARDING AN ALLEGED BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I NOW VIEW IT AS A PSYCHOLOGICAL PHENOMENON IF NOT OUTRIGHT DEMONIC DECEPTION, IT IS SELF-DECEPTION AND SELF-HYPNOSIS. THESE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS MEAN WELL AND BELIEVE THEY ARE FULFILLING GOD'S HOLY WILL ACCORDING TO ACTS 2 AND ACTS 19 AND SO ON. BUT THEY MISUNDERSTAND ACTS AND THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT MEANT ACTUAL FOREIGN LANGUAGES, NOT MERELY UTTERING GIBBERISH OR SAYING RANDOM SYLLABLES WITH THE HUMAN TONGUE. THE HUMAN TONGUE IS CAPABLE OF MANY EVIL ERRORS, SOME OF WHICH I AM SAD TO SAY I HAVE COMMITTED. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON ME. IT IS BETTER TO SPEAK WELL OR SPEAK NOT AT ALL THAN TO SPEAK BADLY. IT IS BETTER TO HAVE FEW WORDS THAN MANY. IN ERIE PA SCOTT R. HARRINGTON

 

[DABEARS85]

Why don't you just ask God to let you speak in tongues and get over it. Stop being jealous of ones who do. Its in the bible In Acts. Should we change the bible just cause you don't speak. Its in the bible. Open your mouth. Its not hard. Some get it all fast some don't. You don't have to do it. But its a gift you should want. There are books you can buy to help you do it. Buy one. Stop going against the word. God bless you very much!

The bible tells us to not only NOT ask for the gift of tongues, but rather that the Holy Spirit gives His gifts as He wills. Who are we to decide what gifts He bestows upon us, and furthermore, who are we to go against scriptural teaching? Also, did scripture not tell us to not focus on the gifts of the Spirit, but rather to use the gifts that we are given, to produce fruits of the Spirit?

It isn't jealousy whatsoever. I don't understand where you got that out of my posts. I am trying to help those who may have been misled. Am I wrong in doing that, or do you have scripture to prove me wrong? Otherwise, why do people attack my posts, which are based entirely around scripture, with your own words and your own mind, of which you never seem to use scripture to prove me wrong?

Also, it is NOT a gift we should want. You should read over your bible once more, and you should pray about it. Speaking in Tongues is the LEAST of all the gifts, and we are to pray for the gift of prophesy, or to a lessor extent, interpretation, rather than the gift of tongues.

Everyone CAN NOT do it. You don't just "open" your mouth to do it. Are you trying to tell me that you can "learn" a GIFT OF THE SPIRIT simply by opening your mouth and babbling? This is why I created these posts, so that people like you could will not be misled any longer. I pray the Lord opens your eyes.

Please use scripture as your guidance, rather than random books.

 

[DABEARS85]

DEAR FRIEND, I USED TO BELIEVE IN SPEAKING IN TONGUES AS I PRACTICED IT ACCORDING TO ASSEMBLIES OF GOD PENTECOSTAL DOCTRINE REGARDING AN ALLEGED BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. I NOW VIEW IT AS A PSYCHOLOGICAL PHENOMENON IF NOT OUTRIGHT DEMONIC DECEPTION, IT IS SELF-DECEPTION AND SELF-HYPNOSIS. THESE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS MEAN WELL AND BELIEVE THEY ARE FULFILLING GOD'S HOLY WILL ACCORDING TO ACTS 2 AND ACTS 19 AND SO ON. BUT THEY MISUNDERSTAND ACTS AND THE ORIGINAL CONTEXT MEANT ACTUAL FOREIGN LANGUAGES, NOT MERELY UTTERING GIBBERISH OR SAYING RANDOM SYLLABLES WITH THE HUMAN TONGUE. THE HUMAN TONGUE IS CAPABLE OF MANY EVIL ERRORS, SOME OF WHICH I AM SAD TO SAY I HAVE COMMITTED. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON ME. IT IS BETTER TO SPEAK WELL OR SPEAK NOT AT ALL THAN TO SPEAK BADLY. IT IS BETTER TO HAVE FEW WORDS THAN MANY. IN ERIE PA SCOTT R. HARRINGTON

I appreciate you opening up and giving us your stories and your experiences in the subject! I'm sure it isn't easy. You should feel blessed, rather than ashamed, because the Lord has opened your eyes to the Truth, rather than hid it from you. You have no reason to be ashamed for false teachers misleading you, intentionally or not! You know the truth now. That's all that matters!

 

[seetheunseen]

I have been waiting for you to put up your long version I read your short one and was not to sure were you were going with it know I see. I agree with your point that you do not need to speak in tong to prove your are saved or have been baptized in the Holy Spirt, but I disagree with saying its immature to pray for the gift of tongs. Its not immature to ask God for something you want to feel closer to Him I would love and be happy to get any gift from God I strive and want this connection, with him.

1 Corinthians 12
31But earnestly desire and zealously cultivate the greatest and best gifts and graces (the higher gifts and the choicest graces). And yet I will show you a still more excellent way [one that is better by far and the highest of them all--love].

That says you should desire his gifts that its okay to have a passion for gifts from God.
Also you can not say that tongs is no longer need since look at these other Gifts that 1 Corinthians 12 spoke about

7But to each one is given the manifestation of the [Holy] Spirit [the evidence, the spiritual illumination of the Spirit] for good and profit.
8To one is given in and through the [Holy] Spirit [the power to speak] a message of wisdom, and to another [the power to express] a word of knowledge and understanding according to the same [Holy] Spirit;
9To another [wonder-working] faith by the same [Holy] Spirit, to another the extraordinary powers of healing by the one Spirit;
10To another the working of miracles, to another prophetic insight ([c]the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose); to another the ability to discern and distinguish between [the utterances of true] spirits [and false ones], to another various kinds of [unknown] tongues, to another the ability to interpret [such] tongues.

Know I hope you would not go on to say prophets are no longer needed in todays day and age 1 Corinthians 24 But if all prophesy [giving inspired testimony and interpreting the divine will and purpose] and an unbeliever or untaught outsider comes in, he is told of his sin and reproved and convicted and convinced by all, and his defects and needs are examined (estimated, determined) and he is called to account by all, 25The secrets of his heart are laid bare; and so, falling on [his] face, he will worship God, declaring that God is among you in very truth. Also to God it does not matter if its modern times or 2000 years ago for God today is like yesterday and tomorrows is like today he would not say that a gift is no longer need just because it modern time heck I think its more needed know than ever since people are dying for proof of God. What I think is that people no longer know how to use tongs they have put so much into that they have forgotten what the rest of the scriptures say

1 Corinthians 8
3But if one loves God truly [[a]with affectionate reverence, prompt obedience, and grateful recognition of His blessing], he is known by God [recognized as worthy of His intimacy and love, and he is owned by Him].

1 Corinthians 13
1IF I [can] speak in the tongues of men and [even] of angels, but have not love (that reasoning, intentional, spiritual devotion such [a]as is inspired by God's love for and in us), I am only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2And if I have prophetic powers (the gift of interpreting the divine will and purpose), and understand all the secret truths and mysteries and possess all knowledge, and if I have [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains, but have not love (God's love in me) I am nothing (a useless nobody).

1 Corinthians 14
19Nevertheless, in public worship, I would rather say five words with my understanding and intelligently in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a [strange] tongue (language).


I have to say your form happened in great timing since I was recently asking my pastor about tongs and was upset myself with everything around tongs since I got that impression for certain people that if you did not have tongs have not been baptized in the Holy Spirt. Well I would disagree with that since I know I have been baptized by the Holy Sprit, however I also just recently spoke in tongs it was quit and amazing experience for me anyways. I will also admit that after reading your short version I was so sure I would disagree with you I went and study and read 1 Corinthians over just so I could put up and good debate back at you and if you wondering what version I got all my scriptures it is the Amplified. Now I do not totally disagree but I feel you should take some other points into consideration and not call people immature just because they want a gift that gives them a better connection with God. That was more personal than from God.

1 Corinthians 8
3But if one loves God truly [[a]with affectionate reverence, prompt obedience, and grateful recognition of His blessing], he is known by God [recognized as worthy of His intimacy and love, and he is owned by Him].

We are worthy of all gifts from God and intimacy that goes along with God.

 

[loveschild]

The bible tells us to not only NOT ask for the gift of tongues, but rather that the Holy Spirit gives His gifts as He wills. Who are we to decide what gifts He bestows upon us, and furthermore, who are we to go against scriptural teaching? Also, did scripture not tell us to not focus on the gifts of the Spirit, but rather to use the gifts that we are given, to produce fruits of the Spirit?

It isn't jealousy whatsoever. I don't understand where you got that out of my posts. I am trying to help those who may have been misled. Am I wrong in doing that, or do you have scripture to prove me wrong? Otherwise, why do people attack my posts, which are based entirely around scripture, with your own words and your own mind, of which you never seem to use scripture to prove me wrong?

Also, it is NOT a gift we should want. You should read over your bible once more, and you should pray about it. Speaking in Tongues is the LEAST of all the gifts, and we are to pray for the gift of prophesy, or to a lessor extent, interpretation, rather than the gift of tongues.

Everyone CAN NOT do it. You don't just "open" your mouth to do it. Are you trying to tell me that you can "learn" a GIFT OF THE SPIRIT simply by opening your mouth and babbling? This is why I created these posts, so that people like you could will not be misled any longer. I pray the Lord opens your eyes.

Please use scripture as your guidance, rather than random books.

The bible says to desire to have the gifts. That means to pray for them. God gives us the desires of our hearts. I pray you have peace. Linda