My take on water baptism...

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Philip went through the Scriptures in Isaiah explaining how Jesus was the one that was being talked about and I am sure he gave the Eunuch a complete interpretation on how Jesus fulfilled these prophesies. There is no question that what Philip taught him was what made him BELIEVE and the BELIEVE was connected to the interpretation of Jesus sacrificial offering written about in Isaiah that Philip told him about. How could you miss that? What do you think the Eunuch believed? How long did Philip teach him out of the book of Isaiah explaining how Jesus fulfilled these prophesies exactly. How could anyone possibly interpret Isaiah and apply it to Jesus without talking about the cross and resurrection? What do you think Philip told the Eunuch about Jesus that made the Eunuch believe. What do you think the Enuuch believed? That there was once a man named Jesus once upon a time in Mexico?
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I read the scripture literally. As Acts 8:37 stated, the Ethiopian believed that Jesus is the Son of God.

Its the same as in John 20:31.

Its the same when Peter replied to Jesus in Matt 16:16 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Its the same when Martha told Jesus in John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Do you realized the consistency in all these scripture accounts? To be saved under the gospel of the kingdom is based on believing in Jesus's identity, and not what Jesus did on the cross. After that, then water baptism needed to be done as part of the salvation process.

But that is not the gospel that saves today, as I have stated in my original post. The gospel that saves today requires you to believe what Jesus did at the cross, and its all about that
 
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posthuman said:
just to point out Christ wasn't doing the baptizing with H2O -- His kingdom, and His priesthood, is a spiritual one, and He baptizes with spirit & fire :)
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that is Truth, BUT, He was standing there when His disciples were dunking new believers........... :)
 
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I read the scripture literally. As Acts 8:37 stated, the Ethiopian believed that Jesus is the Son of God.

Its the same as in John 20:31.

Its the same when Peter replied to Jesus in Matt 16:16 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Its the same when Martha told Jesus in John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Do you realized the consistency in all these scripture accounts? To be saved under the gospel of the kingdom is based on believing in Jesus's identity, and not what Jesus did on the cross. After that, then water baptism needed to be done as part of the salvation process.

But that is not the gospel that saves today, as I have stated in my original post. The gospel that saves today requires you to believe what Jesus did at the cross, and its all about that
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It sounds like you are suggesting that these you are quoting had no further knowledge or understanding behind their statements other than God has a son and his name is Jesus. No concept of repentance, no concept of a prophesied Messiah that would come into the world to take away their sins and save them. No Old Testament promises that they held on to and were waiting for fulfillment and which they were stating that Jesus was THAT ONE that they were waiting for.

Their words have a context and a historical foundation in scriptures that are verbose and theological and that is what they were referring to.

The sin question is always included in the faith statement. But we have false teachers today inspired by the same demons that have been active since the church was born that will teach that all you need to do is believe that this story is true and you get to go to heaven. "Porn addiction? No problem, the blood of Christ covers you, you don't actually have to quit it. Alcoholism? No big deal, Jesus turned water into wine, just don't drive or hurt people. Fornication? After all God knows y'all are going to tie the knot later when you have more money for a big wedding. Just believe the story about Jesus and your ticket to heaven is secure. Now you might not get as many rewards as the pastor but at least you'll get there and be able to live forever. "

That is not believing in Jesus the Son of God who was to come and take away the sin of the world. That is not faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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Scribe said:
It sounds like you are suggesting that these you are quoting had no further knowledge or understanding behind their statements other than God has a son and his name is Jesus. No concept of repentance, no concept of a prophesied Messiah that would come into the world to take away their sins and save them. No Old Testament promises that they held on to and were waiting for fulfillment and which they were stating that Jesus was THAT ONE that they were waiting for.

Their words have a context and a historical foundation in scriptures that are verbose and theological and that is what they were referring to.

The sin question is always included in the faith statement. But we have false teachers today inspired by the same demons that have been active since the church was born that will teach that all you need to do is believe that this story is true and you get to go to heaven. "Porn addiction? No problem, the blood of Christ covers you, you don't actually have to quit it. Alcoholism? No big deal, Jesus turned water into wine, just don't drive or hurt people. Fornication? After all God knows y'all are going to tie the knot later when you have more money for a big wedding. Just believe the story about Jesus and your ticket to heaven is secure. Now you might not get as many rewards as the pastor but at least you'll get there and be able to live forever. "

That is not believing in Jesus the Son of God who was to come and take away the sin of the world. That is not faith in Jesus Christ.
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You know scribe I know this is not relative to the topic at hand you are a member that has always interested me you seem like someone I would love to get together with and do a ton of bible studies with
 
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You know scribe I know this is not relative to the topic at hand you are a member that has always interested me you seem like someone I would love to get together with and do a ton of bible studies with
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As soon as this COVID 19 virus is defeated and the Lord Willing and the creeks don't rise, I will be starting an itinerant preaching phase of my ministry for about two years and will post my schedule in CC. Maybe we will meet. :)
 
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As soon as this COVID 19 virus is defeated and the Lord Willing and the creeks don't rise, I will be starting an itinerant preaching phase of my ministry for about two years and will post my schedule in CC. Maybe we will meet. :)
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Have also ever considered a youtube channel?
 
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Scribe said:
It sounds like you are suggesting that these you are quoting had no further knowledge or understanding behind their statements other than God has a son and his name is Jesus. No concept of repentance, no concept of a prophesied Messiah that would come into the world to take away their sins and save them. No Old Testament promises that they held on to and were waiting for fulfillment and which they were stating that Jesus was THAT ONE that they were waiting for.

Their words have a context and a historical foundation in scriptures that are verbose and theological and that is what they were referring to.

The sin question is always included in the faith statement. But we have false teachers today inspired by the same demons that have been active since the church was born that will teach that all you need to do is believe that this story is true and you get to go to heaven. "Porn addiction? No problem, the blood of Christ covers you, you don't actually have to quit it. Alcoholism? No big deal, Jesus turned water into wine, just don't drive or hurt people. Fornication? After all God knows y'all are going to tie the knot later when you have more money for a big wedding. Just believe the story about Jesus and your ticket to heaven is secure. Now you might not get as many rewards as the pastor but at least you'll get there and be able to live forever. "

That is not believing in Jesus the Son of God who was to come and take away the sin of the world. That is not faith in Jesus Christ.
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I am simply taking scripture as it is written. When the Bible is silent, I try to be silent too.

In fact, in the account of Peter, Scripture recorded, after he was praised by Jesus for believing in his identity, the same Peter actually rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die and be resurrected on the 3rd day.
 
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Have also ever considered a youtube channel?
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I have a sermon recorded live from last Sunday that I plan to start with. I need to edit it down to just the sermon without the worship etc. I may wait until I get more before I start a channel. I don't have any plans to record videos just for an internet audience. I believe God is leading me to face to face ministry for many reasons I won't try to explain right now. If someone records me when I am preaching to a live audience I have no problem sharing those on a YouTube channel. However, I do not believe that recording videos for the internet is God's plan for me. I do not believe that watching videos on the internet can ever substitute God's method of being there in the moment in the presence of the people that God brings together in the assembling of the saints. There is quite a difference in the way that people are illuminated by the Holy Spirit and how he transforms them by the Spirit empowered word in the presence of His Spirit in the gathering in the location that cannot be substituted watching a video.
 
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I have a sermon recorded live from last Sunday that I plan to start with. I need to edit it down to just the sermon without the worship etc. I may wait until I get more before I start a channel. I don't have any plans to record videos just for an internet audience. I believe God is leading me to face to face ministry for many reasons I won't try to explain right now. If someone records me when I am preaching to a live audience I have no problem sharing those on a YouTube channel. However, I do not believe that recording videos for the internet is God's plan for me. I do not believe that watching videos on the internet can ever substitute God's method of being there in the moment in the presence of the people that God brings together in the assembling of the saints. There is quite a difference in the way that people are illuminated by the Holy Spirit and how he transforms them by the Spirit empowered word in the presence of His Spirit in the gathering in the location that cannot be substituted watching a video.
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Hey scribe , what happened to the sermon? lol
 
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Guojing said:
I am simply taking scripture as it is written. When the Bible is silent, I try to be silent too.

In fact, in the account of Peter, Scripture recorded, after he was praised by Jesus for believing in his identity, the same Peter actually rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die and be resurrected on the 3rd day.
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If you are simply taking scripture as it is written. Then you must include the context that is written. You were suggesting that the Eunuch had no knowledge of the cross.. etc.. but it was all there for you to read in the bible in the context...

30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus

The bible is not silent at all. It clearly states that Philip taught him about Jesus from out of all those references in Isaiah and therefore the Eunuch had much more given to him than "Jesus is the son of God" 5 words. If you say that the bible teaches that the Eunuch only knew those five words you would be ignoring the fact that he just got a whole Sunday School Lesson from Isaiah on who Jesus was and how it applied to his sins from the Book of Isaiah. So the bible is not silent at all. I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. It seems that you are thinking people got saved from knowing that Jesus was the Son of God without any understanding about what that even meant.
 
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Hey scribe , what happened to the sermon? lol
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I havent posted it. I was going to edit it and put in on youtube but I am going to wait until I get more than one video before I start a channel.
 
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Guojing said:
I am simply taking scripture as it is written. When the Bible is silent, I try to be silent too.

In fact, in the account of Peter, Scripture recorded, after he was praised by Jesus for believing in his identity, the same Peter actually rebuked Jesus for telling them he had to die and be resurrected on the 3rd day.
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They all knew about this ...
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
They were saying He is that Son of Man, and Son of God.
 
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They all knew about this ...
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
They were saying He is that Son of Man, and Son of God.
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Youtube contains a good avenue to reach people.
Gabe does a pretty good street sermon on youtube.
 
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Scribe said:
They all knew about this ...
13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
They were saying He is that Son of Man, and Son of God.
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Yes, what they don't realize is why he had to die, and what does his resurrection means when it came to sins being forgiven.

That secret was revealed to Paul later.
 
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If you are simply taking scripture as it is written. Then you must include the context that is written. You were suggesting that the Eunuch had no knowledge of the cross.. etc.. but it was all there for you to read in the bible in the context...

30And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

32The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus

The bible is not silent at all. It clearly states that Philip taught him about Jesus from out of all those references in Isaiah and therefore the Eunuch had much more given to him than "Jesus is the son of God" 5 words. If you say that the bible teaches that the Eunuch only knew those five words you would be ignoring the fact that he just got a whole Sunday School Lesson from Isaiah on who Jesus was and how it applied to his sins from the Book of Isaiah. So the bible is not silent at all. I really have no idea what point you are trying to make. It seems that you are thinking people got saved from knowing that Jesus was the Son of God without any understanding about what that even meant.
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I am saying the gospel that saves today is not John 20:31 but 1 Cor 15:1-4.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
And they do not produce two Gospels.
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According to John, what must we believe about Jesus to have life?

According to Paul, what must we believe about Jesus to be saved?

What does the 2 passages say?
 
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