Myths and Realities about Easter

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let me try to put it even more clearly...we can even leave out the actual dates this way since there seems to be some miscommunication between us there...

jesus died on the first day of the feast...the day after the passover seder...

the day after jesus' death was the second day of the feast...this second day is called a sabbath in the gospels...

but the special sabbaths of the passover feast were on the first and seventh days of the feast...never on the second day...

if there was a sabbath on the second day of the feast as the gospels say...then it could not have been one of the sabbaths of the feast itself...

this sabbath -had- to have been the weekly saturday sabbath...there is no other option...

and if this sabbath was saturday...then the day right before that...the day of preparation when jesus died...was friday...

jesus died on friday and rose on sunday...

this period of time...part of friday...all of saturday...and part of sunday...was counted as three full days by the ancient method of counting that i proved in my last post...so everything works...
 
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there are also analogous examples of partial -years- being counted as full years in the bible if you want to study more proof of this timekeeping method...
 
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Ostara, Eostre, and Easter:


Currently, modern Wiccans and neo-pagans celebrate “Ostara,” a lesser Saabbat on the vernal equinox. Other names for this celebration include Eostre and Oestara and they are derived from the Anglo-Saxon lunar Goddess, Eostre. Some believe that this name is ultimately a variation on the names of other prominent goddesses, like Ishtar, Astarte, and Isis, usually a consort of the gods Osiris or Dionysus, who are depicted as dying and being reborn.
Pagan Elements of Modern Easter Celebrations:


As you might be able to tell, the name “Easter” was likely derived from Eostre, the name of the Anglo-Saxon lunar goddess, as was as the name for the female hormone estrogen. Eostre’s feast day was held on the first full moon following the vernal equinox — a similar calculation as is used for Easter among Western Christians. On this date the goddess Eostre is believed by her followers to mate with the solar god, conceiving a child who would be born 9 months later on Yule, the winter solstice which falls on December 21st.
Two of Eostre’s most important symbols were the hare (both because of its fertility and because ancient people saw a hare in the full moon) and the egg, which symbolized the growing possibility of new life. Each of these symbols continues to play an important role in modern celebrations of Easter. Curiously, they are also symbols which Christianity has not fully incorporated into its own mythology. Other symbols from other holidays have been given new Christian meanings, but attempts to do the same here have failed.

Here is about.com giving some information.
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Really? Estrogen is derived from Eostre? Not even close. Not even the same language.

Estrogen is derived from two Greek words οιστρος and γενν. Estrogen literally means frenzy producing.
 
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Estrogen is derived from two Greek words οιστρος and γενν. Estrogen literally means frenzy producing.
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obviously a man came up with that...
 
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The heart of the matter is whether we follow God or men. It is scripture to follow Passover. It was men’s idea to celebrate Christ’s resurrection with Easter. I found this out by studying history, to find out when and how it happened. Then I looked in God's word for truth, God doesn't mention Easter.

History is the story of God’s part in our world. We are to watch.

I love celebrating the resurrection! I love following my Creator God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost even more.
 
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let me try to put it even more clearly...we can even leave out the actual dates this way since there seems to be some miscommunication between us there...

jesus died on the first day of the feast...the day after the passover seder...
Yeshua couldn't have died on the first day of the feast. Because it was against Torah and the rest of the laws to put a man to death on a Sabbath, High or weekly. Not to mention He is called the Passover Lamb and therefore had to die on Passover.

the day after jesus' death was the second day of the feast...this second day is called a sabbath in the gospels...Please show me where this says this.

but the special sabbaths of the passover feast were on the first and seventh days of the feast...never on the second day... Agreed. Wait, I get what you're thinking. Sabbath is not a day, it is an event, which happens at twilight right before the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins, which is a High Sabbath.

if there was a sabbath on the second day of the feast as the gospels say...then it could not have been one of the sabbaths of the feast itself...
Scripture doesn't say this.
this sabbath -had- to have been the weekly saturday sabbath...there is no other option...How can you overlook John 19:31 that clearly explains that this is a high sabbath/high Holy Day.

and if this sabbath was saturday...then the day right before that...the day of preparation when jesus died...was friday...

jesus died on friday and rose on sunday...
If you're right here, than explain this away,

When these annual Feast Sabbaths were celebrated, it could well happen that there would be TWO Sabbaths in that certain week - the annual Sabbath. which could fall on any day of the week, and the weekly Sabbath -These, two Sabbaths, in certain years of course, could coincide - but otherwise, the weekly Sabbath (Saturday), was never called a ‘High Day’.- neither was it called a ‘Feast Day’, unless it coincided with the annual Chag or Feast Day.

The fact that there were two Sabbaths in the Crucifixion week is wonderfully proven by two apparently contradictory verses in the Bible.

The 1st of these is found in Mark 16:1 :

"When the Sabbath was OVER, Mary (and others) .... bought spices with which to go and anoint Him".

The 2nd is found in Luke 23:56:

After His body had been laid to the tomb. "....they returned and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment".

We shall firstly apply these statements to the commonly accepted theory of Friday Crucifixion and Sunday-Resurrection, to see if it fits the picture. If Messiah was crucified on Friday, then according to the first verse, the women should have bought the spices on Saturday evening (i.e. 'after the Sabbath'). This would enable them to prepare it and go to the grave before sunrise on Sunday morning. But... read the 2nd verse! This states that, after they had prepared the spices, they rested on the Sabbath according to the Law! This would mean that the following day (Sunday) was also a Sabbath, so that they could not have gone to the grave until after Sunday. But Luke 24:1 explicitly states that the women went to the grave 'on the first day of the week' (Sunday), before dawn! So this theory does NOT fit.




this period of time...part of friday...all of saturday...and part of sunday...was counted as three full days by the ancient method of counting that i proved in my last post...so everything works...
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There is nothing in Israel's history that backs these claims up. No documented history of any kind. If you have seen some, please show me so I can see it as well.
 
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Ostara, Eostre, and Easter:


Currently, modern Wiccans and neo-pagans celebrate “Ostara,” a lesser Saabbat on the vernal equinox. Other names for this celebration include Eostre and Oestara and they are derived from the Anglo-Saxon lunar Goddess, Eostre. Some believe that this name is ultimately a variation on the names of other prominent goddesses, like Ishtar, Astarte, and Isis, usually a consort of the gods Osiris or Dionysus, who are depicted as dying and being reborn.
Pagan Elements of Modern Easter Celebrations:


As you might be able to tell, the name “Easter” was likely derived from Eostre, the name of the Anglo-Saxon lunar goddess, as was as the name for the female hormone estrogen. Eostre’s feast day was held on the first full moon following the vernal equinox — a similar calculation as is used for Easter among Western Christians. On this date the goddess Eostre is believed by her followers to mate with the solar god, conceiving a child who would be born 9 months later on Yule, the winter solstice which falls on December 21st.
Two of Eostre’s most important symbols were the hare (both because of its fertility and because ancient people saw a hare in the full moon) and the egg, which symbolized the growing possibility of new life. Each of these symbols continues to play an important role in modern celebrations of Easter. Curiously, they are also symbols which Christianity has not fully incorporated into its own mythology. Other symbols from other holidays have been given new Christian meanings, but attempts to do the same here have failed.

Here is about.com giving some information.
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This is a hilarious post. You spent all this time critcizing the OP for not using biblical texts to prove her points. Now, here you are, not using the bible, doing the same thing. And, on top if, leading others to secular sites to get more information. Love the hypocrisy.
 
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This is a hilarious post. You spent all this time critcizing the OP for not using biblical texts to prove her points. Now, here you are, not using the bible, doing the same thing. And, on top if, leading others to secular sites to get more information. Love the hypocrisy.
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You don't have to be so ugly about it:D.


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Nice post Rachel :)

have fun debating Avinu. I stopped reading most of his post after learning he thinks the Book of Enoch doesn't contain anything that contradicts Biblical scriptures.
 
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This is a hilarious post. You spent all this time critcizing the OP for not using biblical texts to prove her points. Now, here you are, not using the bible, doing the same thing. And, on top if, leading others to secular sites to get more information. Love the hypocrisy.
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To prove "easter" no she did not.

I was showing how easy it is to take some information and make it seem credible......

You people are so blind, it is heartbreaking.....

Sorry, but praising someone for digging another piece of text up is typical of people of this world.
 
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"REALITY: Easter and Ishtar only sound alike.">>>> Is this enough to convince you???




easter is not Biblical and this lady could not prove it with the Bible.

So she wrote you an essay instead.....
 
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gee wiz I think its time for a cookie break........



the point was NOT to say that EASTER is Biblical but to show that its roots are NOT based upon pagan traditions but by church made ones.

People take time on the Holiday called Easter to celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ.some have seder meals and others have added traditions to their holidays.

Ishtar was celebrated by mass orgies.

You don't like Easter that is clear. but what is NOT clear is what DO you like Loveme? What is permitted in your legalistic world view?

I was raised Buddhist we didn't celebrate Easter but even I knew the story about Easter was concerning Jesus death and resurrection and NOT about Ishtar. so I don't see your point.

Neo Pagans and some Wiccans favorite pastime is to pervert things held sacred by other religions.
 
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AnandaHya said:
gee wiz I think its time for a cookie break........



the point was NOT to say that EASTER is Biblical but to show that its roots are NOT based upon pagan traditions but by church made ones.
If it it is not Biblical based then you can bet your bottom dollar it is paganism.
People take time on the Holiday called Easter to celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ.some have seder meals and others have added traditions to their holidays.

Ishtar was celebrated by mass orgies.

You don't like Easter that is clear. but what is NOT clear is what DO you like Loveme? What is permitted in your legalistic world view?

This is not about what i like. The Bible tells us that Heavenly Father does not like us being part of evil celebrations

I was raised Buddhist we didn't celebrate Easter but even I knew the story about Easter was concerning Jesus death and resurrection and NOT about Ishtar. so I don't see your point.
We all were deceived at some point.

Neo Pagans and some Wiccans favorite pastime is to pervert things held sacred by other religions.
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The deception is well covered, but some can see through it, and try to warn others.

Your picture, sums up the mentality...
 
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Neo Pagans and some Wiccans favorite pastime is to pervert things held sacred by other religions.
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So true. They have perverted All Souls Day into a day to use the dead (via magic) to do their bidding.
 
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Nice post Rachel :)

have fun debating Avinu. I stopped reading most of his post after learning he thinks the Book of Enoch doesn't contain anything that contradicts Biblical scriptures.
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You had your chance to prove that Enoch had even 1 thing in it contradicting to scripture. The problem was I proved you wrong and you didn't like it. I'm glad to know you stopped reading my posts, just one less person to argue with who doesn't understand scripture.
 
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let me rephrase that, I still skim over his post but people who believe that there is an angel in charge of repentance of sins and other kabalah and gnostic teachings, makes me seriously question their discernment abilities.

I don't feel the need to "prove" anything. the Holy Spirit teaches and guides.

I just feel time is better spent reading the Bible and learning from people who actually practice discernment.

You have yet to "prove" that the book of Enoch contains things that are backed up by accepted scripture. the whole list of angels, etc.
 
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let me rephrase that, I still skim over his post but people who believe that there is an angel in charge of repentance of sins and other kabalah and gnostic teachings, makes me seriously question their discernment abilities.
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When have I ever stated that an angel has charge over repentance? I would never say such blasphemy. And as for kabalah, that is just a jewish version of pagan garbage. So before you question my discernment, make sure you have your facts straight. I have and always will teach ONLY from YHVH's Holy written word, from Genesis 1:1 to Rev. 22:21. I don't claim nor teach anything to be doctrine outside of that.
 
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And I've shown you passages from the book of Enoch that claim an angel is in charge of repentance yet you say that is not proof against the Book of Enoch and that it does not contradict scriptures.

Enoch chapter 40
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

you can pretend all you like but those verses contradict the Bible. Just look at the book of Job. Satan went before God TWICE and there was no mention of any four angels restraining him.

but this is off topic.

Sorry Rachel.
 
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And I've shown you passages from the book of Enoch that claim an angel is in charge of repentance yet you say that is not proof against the Book of Enoch and that it does not contradict scriptures.

Enoch chapter 40
7 And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord
8 of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth. After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: ‘Who are these four presences which I have
9 seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.

you can pretend all you like but those verses contradict the Bible. Just look at the book of Job. Satan went before God TWICE and there was no mention of any four angels restraining him.
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You're absolutely right AnandaHya, I don't agree with that either, and never caught that before. I don't recall you ever showing me this before either. But either way, I don't agree with this at all. No pretending here, as blunt as I am with others, I'm even worse on myself.

TO ALL WHO READ THIS, I AM CORRECTED BY MY SISTER IN YESHUA, AND GLADLY RECEIVE THIS CORRECTION TO MY EDIFICATION. I HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THE BOOK OF ENOCH TO BE THE WORD OF GOD, BUT BELIEVED IT TO BACK UP THE WORD OF GOD. BUT THIS PASSAGE IS CONTRARY TO IT. I WILL RESEARCH THIS, BUT I NEVER CAUGHT THIS BEFORE, THANK YOU ANANDAHYA.
(caps not for yelling, more of emphasized annoucement)
 
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