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randyk

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Name It and Claim It. Where have Prosperity Preachers gone wrong? They have brought Christianity into disrepute by claiming things that are luxurious and over-the-top, making Christianity out to be a fraud, corrupt, greedy, and deceitful. When things "claimed" do not materialize, they simply move on to the next "claim." I could go into detail, but I won't, because my concern here is to correct--not to harm.

When Jesus said, "whatsoever you ask for, believe it, and you will receive it." This sounds an awful lot like "name it and claim it!" But when viewed in light of the totality of Jesus' theology, in which he stated first of all that God's will is preeminent, it becomes clear that what Jesus meant was: "whatever you ask for *in the will of God* will be granted to you.

In other words, having been sent on a mission by God the Disciples could expect every need to be met in order to accomplish that mission. This was hardly "name it and claim it."

Many Prosperity Preachers are good people, and many of the things they asked for they received, because they were asking for things concerned with fulfilling their ministries. But they therefore got the wrong notion that everything they ask for that seemed godly *to them* they can receive in the same way. And when they didn't receive what they asked for, they just moved on, and ignored the failure of this doctrine.

James 4.What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures...
13 Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.
 

Gideon300

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Name It and Claim It. Where have Prosperity Preachers gone wrong? They have brought Christianity into disrepute by claiming things that are luxurious and over-the-top, making Christianity out to be a fraud, corrupt, greedy, and deceitful. When things "claimed" do not materialize, they simply move on to the next "claim." I could go into detail, but I won't, because my concern here is to correct--not to harm.

When Jesus said, "whatsoever you ask for, believe it, and you will receive it." This sounds an awful lot like "name it and claim it!" But when viewed in light of the totality of Jesus' theology, in which he stated first of all that God's will is preeminent, it becomes clear that what Jesus meant was: "whatever you ask for *in the will of God* will be granted to you.

In other words, having been sent on a mission by God the Disciples could expect every need to be met in order to accomplish that mission. This was hardly "name it and claim it."

Many Prosperity Preachers are good people, and many of the things they asked for they received, because they were asking for things concerned with fulfilling their ministries. But they therefore got the wrong notion that everything they ask for that seemed godly *to them* they can receive in the same way. And when they didn't receive what they asked for, they just moved on, and ignored the failure of this doctrine.

James 4.What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures...
13 Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.
It rather depersonalises our relationship with God. His Word is not some kind of combination lock on material blessings that must come if we say the right words. That principle is more related to witchcraft.

God is a Person, all wise and all knowing. If we are seeking His kingdom first, He will ensure that our needs are met. Way too many people are more interested in what God can do for them than having a relationship with out heavenly Father. He is not a heavenly Santa Claus fulfilling people's selfish desires. Too many people focus on the gifts and forget about the Giver. That is no way to live.
 
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A great grandparent of mine lived by the principle "God provides". Likely derived from the passage you mentioned.

Penniless and a knock away from eviction? God provides.

Foreseeing a lack of food for the children? God provides.

She was full of stories of things turning out for the better in unexpected last minute twists, whether it was something in the mail or a good neighbour giving something she needed to survive. You won't always get what you want, but God provides what you need.
 

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I think that it would be presumptuous to believe that we can simply claim anything from scripture.
 

randyk

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#5
It rather depersonalises our relationship with God. His Word is not some kind of combination lock on material blessings that must come if we say the right words. That principle is more related to witchcraft.

God is a Person, all wise and all knowing. If we are seeking His kingdom first, He will ensure that our needs are met. Way too many people are more interested in what God can do for them than having a relationship with out heavenly Father. He is not a heavenly Santa Claus fulfilling people's selfish desires. Too many people focus on the gifts and forget about the Giver. That is no way to live.
I agree and well said. I thought that's what I was saying? Are you trying to contradict what I said, add to it, or further explain it?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Name It and Claim It. Where have Prosperity Preachers gone wrong? They have brought Christianity into disrepute by claiming things that are luxurious and over-the-top, making Christianity out to be a fraud, corrupt, greedy, and deceitful. When things "claimed" do not materialize, they simply move on to the next "claim." I could go into detail, but I won't, because my concern here is to correct--not to harm.

When Jesus said, "whatsoever you ask for, believe it, and you will receive it." This sounds an awful lot like "name it and claim it!" But when viewed in light of the totality of Jesus' theology, in which he stated first of all that God's will is preeminent, it becomes clear that what Jesus meant was: "whatever you ask for *in the will of God* will be granted to you.

In other words, having been sent on a mission by God the Disciples could expect every need to be met in order to accomplish that mission. This was hardly "name it and claim it."

Many Prosperity Preachers are good people, and many of the things they asked for they received, because they were asking for things concerned with fulfilling their ministries. But they therefore got the wrong notion that everything they ask for that seemed godly *to them* they can receive in the same way. And when they didn't receive what they asked for, they just moved on, and ignored the failure of this doctrine.

James 4.What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You desire but do not have, so you kill. You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures...
13 Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14 Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15 Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogant schemes. All such boasting is evil. 17 If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them.
yes I agree the will of God laid out in the gospel , comes first and we are to take it on as our own will conforming to his desires and plans for us. We first take on the kingdom and everything else flows from that and is understood in that.

Believing the gospel of the kingdom is the key to everything. And most often what the kingdom calls us into brings us out of what the world tries to drag us into. In believing the kingdom we begin to see how far the world has fallen from Gods will.

good post I appreciate you taking the time to share God bless
 

randyk

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yes I agree the will of God laid out in the gospel , comes first and we are to take it on as our own will conforming to his desires and plans for us. We first take on the kingdom and everything else flows from that and is understood in that.

Believing the gospel of the kingdom is the key to everything. And most often what the kingdom calls us into brings us out of what the world tries to drag us into. In believing the kingdom we begin to see how far the world has fallen from Gods will.

good post I appreciate you taking the time to share God bless
Thanks brother! Good to have your support on this.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Thanks brother! Good to have your support on this.
anything or anyone of the gospel I’m edified always in some way and all for and in full support of brother good read