Naming days like the pagans. Why do we do that?

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel is an amazing prophecy picturing for 2,500
years into the future, from the day it was written, the course of the Gentile kingdoms.

Starting with the ancient Chaldean Empire of Nebuchadnezzar, this prophecy foretells
the successive [world rule] of the Persian Empire, Alexander’s Greco-Macedonian
kingdom with its four divisions, and finally, of the mighty Roman Empire.

Out of the original Roman Empire, symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head
of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections of the Roman Empire that have continued
since its fall to the present, and are scheduled to continue until the coming of Christ.

Among these 10 kingdoms which have ruled in the Western world since the fall of Rome
to the present, appeared another “little horn,” whose “look was more stout than his fellows.”
In other words, another government, actually smaller, yet dominating over all the others.

Students of prophecy recognize this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy.
And in the 25th verse of this prophecy, it is stated that this hierarchy shall
“think to change times and laws.”

How Time Was Changed

This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured
as ruling over the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!

God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now
begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week,
but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world
to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

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soon and very soon

The day of man, swayed, deceived, misled by Satan for 6,000 years, is over.Rev.20:1-3,
Ironic that the devil will be forced into rest for 1000 years, from decieving the nations.

No one will be deceived any longer. But “the earth shall be full of the knowledge of
the [Eternal], as the waters cover the sea” (Isaiah 11:9).

Thus saith the Lord God; I will also destroy the idols, and I will cause their images
to cease out of Memphis; and there shall be no more a prince of the land of Egypt:
and I will put a fear in the land of Egypt.(Ezekiel 30:13)

All will speak the same language, a pure language with one consent (Zephaniah 3:9).

-God made the moon for seasons Psalms 104:19 , again-Gods calander run off the moon
will be used, not the sun as todays calander- the Sabbath for man, or all flesh (Isaiah 66:23)
The Lord hath done this (Lam. 2:17), He allowed the enemy to change times. (Daniel 7:25)
but he will fix this at his comming. 1 Samuel 2:10 - Sabbaths- Zechariah 14:17

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

What is a “Time”? For it is basic to several key prophecies.
a prophetic “time” is a 360-day year? Why not a year of 3651/4 days? Why not a solar year?

In ancient biblical times, a year was figured on a basis of twelve 30-day months.
Previous to the time, in Moses’s day, when God gave His people the sacred calendar,
the 30-day month was used.

Notice Genesis 7:11: “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month,
the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep
broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.” Now verse 24: “And the waters
prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.”

Next, Genesis 8:3-4: “And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and
after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. And the ark rested
in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.”

So notice—the flood started on the 17th day of the second month. At the end of 150 days,
the ark rested on Mount Ararat, on the 17th day of the 7th month. That was five months
to the day. Five 30-day months are precisely 150 days. So months, then, were 30-day months!

IamWhoIam · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

Time had been for the purposes of the whole universe, the atomic clock is based on the tick of the Atom the number of times it flashes, in ancient times could that have been known I doubt it.

God gave a example of a week and as well God mentioning of the sun, moon etc. is for gauging the days months years and seasons.
im not aware of scripture stating God explained how to design a calander, I'm thinking God let man determine that as needed.

wonder why God didn't mention the atom particle for a devise to tell time? For God created the Atom.

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

God gave the Isralites His calender

Exodus 12:2 (KJV)
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months:
it shall be the first month of the year to you.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV)
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

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Proverbs 20:24 (KJV)
Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?

Proverbs 21:2 (KJV)
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.

Proverbs 16:9 (KJV)
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.

Jeremiah 10:23 (KJV)

O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself:
it is not in man that walketh to direct hissteps.

1ofthem · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

I'm not sure about how some of those verses deal with a calendar, but the only verse that I can see that references a calendar you posted is the first verse. But it seems that a calendar had already been established before hand because he is telling them to begin using Abib as the first month and what day to have the passover on in that month. So it looks like a calendar had been established and in place, already.

Blain · Sep 25, 2017

unobtrusive said:

In that case you better sell your car, your t.v. your phone oh and forget the internet too

unobtrusive · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

Manna from heaven, the first recorded Sabbath in scripture. Lyar 22. Does anybody really know what the day was named during this month? Maybe I'm wrong, but I dare say, 'no one knows any more.' One thing for sure though, the Sabbath is for God's children to converse, with each other, the wonder of His Majesty's sustenance both physical and spiritually. Usually the only time we have to rest from our daily labour is either Saturday or Sunday. It may be the wrong calendar we go by, but we are forced into it. We have no choice. So in my estimation, why do we quibble over those two days, even if they are named after pagan gods. What's wrong with addressing them both as the 7th day, even if they are 2 different days? There’s no reason to quibble about those things that we really don't know. I don't think our Master is happy with His children quibbling over non-conclusive analogies.

Billyd · Sep 25, 2017

What's next? Are we to stop using the pagan numbers and pagan alphabet?

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

1ofthem said:

you wanted scripture of God explaining a calender to man.
here God explained the design of his calender to Israel. Exodus 12:2

I mentioned Psalms 104:19 (KJV) the moon for seasons, this referes to
Gods calender. not the current sun [solar] calender for seasons we use now.

Moses or whoever wrote geneses, even recorded the flood
using Gods calender that follows the moon cycle.

When was Gods calender established ?, could be from day one.
God will again go by the moon in the mill, or in his 1000 year reign.

Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath
to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

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the rest of my post [other verses]was another reply to you ,
you had mentioned and said in your post

1ofthem said:

so I posted verses about how [men do not know there own way or steps],
and maybe that man should not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Nowhere in the bible does it say to use a solar calender.
At the time of Christ, He and the apostles "observed the new moons"
as Gods calender, and then man changed it after he died .

1ofthem · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

Ok thanks for your reply...but like I said all I can see is that it was already established before that verse. I don't know when, where, or anything, and I don't know if there are any verses that specifically state it either. I really am not studied up in this area. All I know is the verse posted does not show that God created a Calendar there...He was just telling them what day to have the Passover.

And I think you have me confused with IamWhoIam. I don't know why it has my user name in that 2nd quote you posted because I didn't post it.

unobtrusive · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

True, except for Babylonian influence after Judah's return from Persia under the direction of Nehemiah and Ezra. With this Babylonian influence, there is what is now called the "Jewish civil calendar" that has two years in a twelve month period. That is the term of "Rosh Hashanah,"meaning "Happy New Year." That was the 21st of this month, but the true Biblical name for this day is called Yom Teruah, "Day of Shouting," or trumpets. There is such a thing called the "Babylonian Talmud" that the Jews still use today.

With that said, notice these similarities.

Month= חֹדֶשׁ chôdesh, the new moon

New Moon = חֹדֶשׁ chôdesh, a month

Renew = חָדַשׁ châdash, to be new, to rebuild

Holy = קֹדֶשׁ qôdesh, a sacred place or thing

Sanctify = קָדַשׁ qâdash, kaw-dash' appoint, prepare, proclaim, purify

By the way, your post was very good. Thank you!!

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

yes there current calender is in error,
what about the Passover and feast of unleavened bread

John referred to the festivals as "feasts of the Jews" in his gospel.

The Jews where keeping the Passover on the evening[start] of the 15th of Nisan.
But is this the correct day to observe the Passover?

the night Jesus Christ observed His last Passover was on the beginning of 14th!
the traditional Jewish Passover (15th observance), is also an traditions of men,
which are contrary to the truth of God.

I think also they observe *Feast of Tabernacles a day late

prove-all · Sep 25, 2017

1ofthem said:

Yes I did mix up the quotes and replys, the names looked similer, sorry .
I used notepad to type on before posting , copied and pasted the wrong
quote bars on the reply, my bad.

1ofthem · Sep 25, 2017

prove-all said:

No problem...It just had me confused, but that ain't really too hard to do...lol

IamWhoIam · Sep 26, 2017

I've learned quite a few things from studying scripture that this thread inspired me.

Abib/April is the first month of a new year.

the 14th day of April is the Passover feast and is the six day of the week as well as when Jesus died on the cross.

the feast of unleavened bread starts on the 14th day in the month of Abib/April and last for seven days to the 21st day of Abib/April, so the deciples were still eating unleavened bread, before the resurrection and after up to the 21st day of Abib/April.

and of the (Brass gem) in the OT quite amazing and that Alone was amazing to dawn on my thoughts.

Bless your heart unobtrusive, I've learned more than I expected too, today I am lol

IamWhoIam · Sep 26, 2017

Of the brass gem I mentioned well that is the brass man in Daniel and was Jesus at the gate and gave the measurements and how to build the temple along with a few laws.

unobtrusive · Sep 26, 2017

prove-all said:

yes there current calender is in error,
what about the Passover and feast of unleavened bread

John referred to the festivals as "feasts of the Jews" in his gospel.

The Jews where keeping the Passover on the evening[start] of the 15th of Nisan.
But is this the correct day to observe the Passover?

the night Jesus Christ observed His last Passover was on the beginning of 14th!
the traditional Jewish Passover (15th observance), is also an traditions of men,
which are contrary to the truth of God.

I think also they observe *Feast of Tabernacles a day late[/QUOTE]No matter when the

prove-all · Sep 26, 2017

The first passover was God sheading blood for Adams and Eves sins

The three Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke show that on the night Jesus
Christ was betrayed, He and His disciples prepared and kept the Passover
(Matthew 26:18,Mark 14:12, 16; Luke 22:15)

The Jews, however, kept it 24 hours later (John 18:28).

Before covering the events of the Passover in the New Testament,
let’s first review the events as they occurred in the Old Testament.

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Leviticus 23: “These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (verses 4-5).
Notice first that this is God’s Passover—not the Jews’—and the day it is to be kept
is the 14th, not the 15th.

the days are to begin and end at even, or sunset (see Lev 23:32; Deut 16:6; Psalm 104:19).

the Passover begins at sunset, at the beginning of the 14th.
The Jewish community observes their Passover on the 15th beginning at sunset.

Leviticus 23:6 tells us that the first day of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th.
Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are different and separate festivals.

-Between the Two Evenings

First of all, the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed “in the evening” (Exodus 12:6)
on the 14th day of the first month. “In the evening” is between sunset and dark.

Deuteronomy 16:6 confirms this when it says the lamb was sacrificed “at even,
at the going down of the sun.” “the time between sunset and deep twilight.”

Exodus 12:8 says the Israelites were to eat the Passover meal “in that night.” Which night?
The one mentioned in verse 6: the 14th. After that, God smote the firstborn “this night”
(verse 12). Not the next night—this night—the 14th!

That is why, in Numbers 28:16, it says, “And in the fourteenth day of the first month is
[the passover of the Lord]” (we see also Leviticus 23:5-6).

5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is [the Lord's passover].
6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread
unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Exodus 12:21-22 the Israelites were not to leave their houses until morning.
If they did, they would have died. This is why they were to burn their leftovers
the next morning (verse 10).the morning after the Passover is still the 14th
—the day portion of the 14th.

(verse 11)
11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet,
and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is [the Lord's passover].
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Deuteronomy 16:1 says they left Egypt “by night.” Their exodus from Egypt
then had to be that following night, or the night[start] of the 15th.

This was to be a “night to be much observed” (Exodus 12:42).
This is confirmed in Numbers 33:3: “And they departed … on the fifteenth day
of the first month; on the morrow AFTER the passover .…”

the spoiling of the Egyptians (Exodus 12:33-36)This could have only taken place on the
afternoon of the 14th, just hours before [the Israelites left Egypt the night of the 15th].

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How did the Passover get its name originally? “For the Lord will pass through to smite
the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts,

the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your
houses to smite you. … That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover, who
passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians,
and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped” (Ex 12:23, 27

God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.

Kept on the 14th Many Generations Later

When the Hebrew children would ask about this service years later, the parents were to
respond, “It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s Passover” (Exodus 12:27). this is God’s Passover,
and God said “the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (Lev 23:5).

Many generations later, the Israelites were still keeping the Passover on the 14th.

They kept the Passover on the correct day when they were in the wilderness (Numbers 9:5).
When they entered into the Promised Land, they were still all in agreement (Joshua 5:10).
King Josiah kept the Passover on the 14th (2 Chronicles 35:1). We also read in Ezra’s time
they were still keeping it on the 14th (Ezra 6:19), and this was about 519 b.c.

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But the New Testament Jews Keep it a Day Later
the Jews were not all keeping the same day as Jesus Christ did and commanded.

“And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” (John 2:13).
Here it is called “the Jews’ Passover”—not “the Lord’s Passover.”

The Jewish confusion most likely arose in the third century before Christ.
The Palestinian Jews were under Egyptian control from 301 to 198 b.c.

“While the Egyptians allowed the Jews to retain their ancient calendar, there was a
change made in the beginning of the day—it became common to begin the day at sunrise.
This custom was adopted, and persisted among the Jews even down to New Testament times

unobtrusive · Sep 26, 2017

IamWhoIam said:

May our Master also bless you brother. I mean that, but I have to correct you also. Please understand it is because of a loving desire.
Sorry, you are incorrect by saying the Feast of unleavened bread begins on the 14th of Abib. According to the Bible, the day begins at sundown, not midnight, or when the sun rises. That's the way to understand what the Bible is saying correctly. Take a look at Genesis creation, evening and then the morning for 6 days straight.

IamWhoIam · Sep 26, 2017

When the Jews were released from bondage that happened on the night of the 14th on the first month Abib of the year.

Feast of the unleavend bread is from the 14th to the 21st,

Naming days like the pagans. Why do we do that?

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