Naturism/nudism and the Bible

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2Thewaters

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2 Sam 6:20 ... one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

Bible says that would be vain and shameful

2 Sam 13:13 ... and as for thee, thou shalt be as one of the fools in Israel.
 

Agricola

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being a naturist is a different mind set, seeing people without clothes on is normal and hardly any if any at all look at another naked person and lusts after them. There are proberbly more people on a regular beach or even in the mall on hot day looking on scantily clad people with lust and ogling them than there are nudists. being naked is a moot point and not really that valid.

Nudity and Naturism is not sex nor will it ever be, so do not confuse sex industry with naturism. I know that is hard for many, especially Americans who think that seeing a female nipple will cause the world to implode and equates to porn.

I have been amongst thousands of naked bodies around a reseviour in Germany, with so many bodies of different size and shape and everyone the same last thing on peoples mind is lust and sex, in fact I felt embarrassed wearing clothes as I was the odd one out.
 
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being a naturist is a different mind set, seeing people without clothes on is normal and hardly any if any at all look at another naked person and lusts after them. There are proberbly more people on a regular beach or even in the mall on hot day looking on scantily clad people with lust and ogling them than there are nudists. being naked is a moot point and not really that valid.

Nudity and Naturism is not sex nor will it ever be, so do not confuse sex industry with naturism. I know that is hard for many, especially Americans who think that seeing a female nipple will cause the world to implode and equates to porn.

I have been amongst thousands of naked bodies around a reseviour in Germany, with so many bodies of different size and shape and everyone the same last thing on peoples mind is lust and sex, in fact I felt embarrassed wearing clothes as I was the odd one out.
I guess that Jesus didn't know what He was saying, when He had told the people that even if you ever looked at a woman lustfully, has committed Adultery in their hearts, because accordingly to the Law, if you are married or not, you are not suppose to covet (lust) after anyone or their property; and if you has covet, you had stray away or abandoned (Which means divorce) the Law. Accordingly to the scriptures, hat they all had dropped their stones. But I don't know what the people at the reservoir in Germany will do..... Lucky the woman wasn't caught in the act of Adultery at that reservoir or she would have been stone, for those people are special and doesn't lust or procreate at all. So when you were at the reservoir, did you had brought your camera?

 
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being a naturist is a different mind set, seeing people without clothes on is normal and hardly any if any at all look at another naked person and lusts after them. There are proberbly more people on a regular beach or even in the mall on hot day looking on scantily clad people with lust and ogling them than there are nudists. being naked is a moot point and not really that valid.

Nudity and Naturism is not sex nor will it ever be, so do not confuse sex industry with naturism. I know that is hard for many, especially Americans who think that seeing a female nipple will cause the world to implode and equates to porn.

I have been amongst thousands of naked bodies around a reseviour in Germany, with so many bodies of different size and shape and everyone the same last thing on peoples mind is lust and sex, in fact I felt embarrassed wearing clothes as I was the odd one out.
It's maybe an obvious statement but I'm not remotely into naturism, etc.

What North Americans can usefully remember, however, especially those who travel, is that in Europe it's not an unusual thing at all for toplessness to occur on beaches. The best that can be said to North Americans who have severe personal problems with this would be simply to avoid most European beaches during sunny weather.
 

Atwood

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I'm a blood bought spirit filled child of the Living God. I am also a naturist now I am in predicament what is the Bible's stance on naturism?
Well, wouter, I doubt right away when I hear someone claiming on how he is filled. What would happen if you died tonight? Where would you go & how do you know? If you (hypothetical only) were at the pearly gates wanting admission to Heaven and were asked why you should be let in, what would you say?

What comes to my mind on nakedness is that
1) the shame of your nakedness is mentioned in scripture,
2) the Tabernacle was forbidden to have an approach to the altar that revealed nakedness of priests ascending to it,
3) lust is against the 10th commandment, and being naked can tempt to lust,
4) we are not to put any vain thing before our eyes (which is what a naked image is likely to be)
5) Job is our example of making a covenant with our eyes on how we look at women; and we can apply this also to women looking at men.
6) youthful lusts war vs the soul.
7) the Lord made clothes for Adam and Eve to wear after the fall.

Throw away your term of "naturism," as it is not a Bible category. Think of this in terms of Biblical categories like folly.
 

posthuman

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But that was after the fall. This gives me the impression that we were not meant to wear clothes, I understand that after Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit they realised that they were naked and fashioned clothes from fig leaves.
well when you and the whole of creation are completely sinless and pure, feel free not to cover your nakedness.

for now, we happen to live "after the fall" and causing your brother or sister to stumble is a sin. :)
 

Drett

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I'm a blood bought spirit filled child of the Living God. I am also a naturist now I am in predicament what is the Bible's stance on naturism?
Follow the example of Jesus. Not the example of those playing volley ball on the beach.
 
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well when you and the whole of creation are completely sinless and pure, feel free not to cover your nakedness.

for now, we happen to live "after the fall" and causing your brother or sister to stumble is a sin. :)
What would you think of Finnish saunas?

(I basically agree with what you're saying, btw.)
 
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Follow the example of Jesus. Not the example of those playing volley ball on the beach.
I think you'll find that most volley ball players on a beach would at least be wearing swimwear.
 

Agricola

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I guess that Jesus didn't know what He was saying, when He had told the people that even if you ever looked at a woman lustfully, has committed Adultery in their hearts, because accordingly to the Law, if you are married or not, you are not suppose to covet (lust) after anyone or their property; and if you has covet, you had stray away or abandoned (Which means divorce) the Law. Accordingly to the scriptures, hat they all had dropped their stones. But I don't know what the people at the reservoir in Germany will do..... Lucky the woman wasn't caught in the act of Adultery at that reservoir or she would have been stone, for those people are special and doesn't lust or procreate at all. So when you were at the reservoir, did you had brought your camera?

Why where you hoping to look at the pictures I took?

Seriously though, Look upon Lustfully, that is the key part, naturists see nudity as normal and do not look at each other lustfully, so you are telling me that people only look at each other lustfully if they are naked? No of course not, you can look at any woman fully clothed and think "Cor shes sexy I could have her", and hey presto that is what you are talking about.
 
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In may be safer to go in the water than sun bathe on South Beach these days.
Miami-Dade Health Department officials confirmed Thursday the invasion of hookworms on Miami Beach. The nasty parasites have infected as many as 15 beach goers in the past week.
Officials think cats are to blame for the outbreak. Cat poop, where hookworms love to live, has been found up and down the beach area between 50th and 65th streets.
Officials don't think the hookworms have made it to the actual beach sand, although they are not 100 percent sure.
Hookworms are real blood suckers. They usually live in cats and dogs, but can penetrate human skin and set up shop in tissue before migrating to a victim's stomach and small intestines.
That can lead to vomiting, stomach pains and the parasites can really do damage to pregnant mothers and their unborn children.
For now, keep your sandals on when you go to the beach.
Nasty Hookworms Invade Miami Beach | NBC 6 South Florida

Hookworms and threadworms enter the body in contaminated drinking water or through bare feet (yes, they pass right through the skin into the soles of the feet)! Then the larvae migrate to the small intestine, where they may live for several years, taking nutrients from the intestinal walls. And while they live in the small intestine, they lay more and more eggs. What happens to these eggs (also called ovum)? Some of the eggs are passed in the feces (and whatever those feces touch becomes contaminated). The rest of the eggs either hatch right there in the intestines to become mature worms that lay their own eggs or incubate to hatch at a future date. Research has shown that ovum can incubate 10 years or more before hatching!
Get to know your parasite enemies:

Scabies are spread only by close human contact. A person who is infected with scabies can transmit the mite to another person by sharing the same bed, clothing, or towels. Scabies can also be spread by sitting for a period of time on a couch or chair where an infected person has spent a considerable amount of time. Scabies are treated through the use of topical creams that are applied to the infected area. Skin Parasite | Morgellons

Does living in a nudist colony increase your chances of getting an STD?








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For example, what if someone had an std and you sat in the same chair after them. Could you get it that way?
Update : I wasn't implying that nudists have more sex than other people. Way to ...show more

No, it wouldn't. Nudist etiquette usually requires those who are nude to sit on their own towel
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101205113842AAnhGrO
 
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Why where you hoping to look at the pictures I took?

Seriously though, Look upon Lustfully, that is the key part, naturists see nudity as normal and do not look at each other lustfully, so you are telling me that people only look at each other lustfully if they are naked? No of course not, you can look at any woman fully clothed and think "Cor shes sexy I could have her", and hey presto that is what you are talking about.
Acts 1:24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen

Acts 15:8
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

We all have impure hearts, and how we can tell is by our actions. We cannot love our enemies because our hearts is still filled with impurities; and those nudist that claims that their hearts are pure, are really actually putting a veil around their heart ( hiding their feelings). Basically they has came up with a scheme to see someone nakedness without being ashamed. I guess their next step is to play Doctor to their disciples.



 
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In may be safer to go in the water than sun bathe on South Beach these days.
Miami-Dade Health Department officials confirmed Thursday the invasion of hookworms on Miami Beach. The nasty parasites have infected as many as 15 beach goers in the past week.
Officials think cats are to blame for the outbreak. Cat poop, where hookworms love to live, has been found up and down the beach area between 50th and 65th streets.
Officials don't think the hookworms have made it to the actual beach sand, although they are not 100 percent sure.
Hookworms are real blood suckers. They usually live in cats and dogs, but can penetrate human skin and set up shop in tissue before migrating to a victim's stomach and small intestines.
That can lead to vomiting, stomach pains and the parasites can really do damage to pregnant mothers and their unborn children.
For now, keep your sandals on when you go to the beach.
Nasty Hookworms Invade Miami Beach | NBC 6 South Florida

Hookworms and threadworms enter the body in contaminated drinking water or through bare feet (yes, they pass right through the skin into the soles of the feet)! Then the larvae migrate to the small intestine, where they may live for several years, taking nutrients from the intestinal walls. And while they live in the small intestine, they lay more and more eggs. What happens to these eggs (also called ovum)? Some of the eggs are passed in the feces (and whatever those feces touch becomes contaminated). The rest of the eggs either hatch right there in the intestines to become mature worms that lay their own eggs or incubate to hatch at a future date. Research has shown that ovum can incubate 10 years or more before hatching!
Get to know your parasite enemies:

Scabies are spread only by close human contact. A person who is infected with scabies can transmit the mite to another person by sharing the same bed, clothing, or towels. Scabies can also be spread by sitting for a period of time on a couch or chair where an infected person has spent a considerable amount of time. Scabies are treated through the use of topical creams that are applied to the infected area. Skin Parasite | Morgellons

Does living in a nudist colony increase your chances of getting an STD?








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For example, what if someone had an std and you sat in the same chair after them. Could you get it that way?
Update : I wasn't implying that nudists have more sex than other people. Way to ...show more

No, it wouldn't. Nudist etiquette usually requires those who are nude to sit on their own towel
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101205113842AAnhGrO
Well, I'm ignorant of these matters and I had not heard of the term 'nudist etiquette', but I suppose there must be such a thing.
 

NatureBoy14

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2 Sam 6:20 ... one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!
That's a rather poor verse to use. Immediately after this David rebukes Michal and she bears no children for the rest of her life.

Let me see if I can dial this back a bit. We jumped from Adam & Eve were naked all the time before the Fall. God clothed them and now... everyone must wear clothes ALL the time? Nudity around others is _NEVER_ acceptable? Don't we wear different outfits for different activities? We wear "modest" formal clothes to church (1 Tim 2:9). We wear different clothes to work in the yard. Firemen & police officers wear clothing to identify & protect themselves. Football players wear uniforms. Etc.

What about no clothes? Is "no clothes" ever an appropriate uniform? Paul references boxing & running. Sports that were practiced in the nude. There's also plenty of evidence that manual labor in ancient times was done nude. The Romans had communal baths. For activities like swimming, sauna, hot tubbing, or sun tanning clothing has no practical purpose.

See John 21:7 "Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord." So when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he put his outer garment on (for he was stripped for work), and threw himself into the sea."

"Stripped for work" is the Greek word gymnos meaning naked. And there are plenty of images from the period showing fishing men working nude.

So rather than jumping straight to "we can't live naked all the time because.." How about nudity sometimes being an appropriate clothing choice.

Again, I recommend this blog. It has extensive analysis of the issue.
 

NatureBoy14

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Follow the example of Jesus. Not the example of those playing volley ball on the beach.
Like in John 13:4-5? "He [Jesus] riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded."

See The Biblical Naturist: Squeamish Translating – Part 2 – An Unclothed Savior for an examination of the text.
 

Laodicea

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The "clothing of light" speculation is utterly unbiblical and nowhere supported by Scripture. The Bible clearly says in Genesis 2:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed".
Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


So are you saying that God was wrong and Satan was right? That sin opened their eyes?


Psalms 104:1-2 KJV
(1) Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
(2) Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:


This verse is clear that God is clothed in light. So are you saying that man who was created in the image of God was not clothed in light? That would mean man was only partilly made in the image of God. Just as God is clothed in light so Adam & Eve were clothed in light.

The clothing of light represented righteousness, which they lost after they sinned, so they made their own righteousness (fig leaves) but, God clothed them with coats of skins which came from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world showing that righteousness comes from Christ not our own works. Remember it was God who gave Adam & Eve the clothing of light.
 
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Rome was into nudity, sex, and orgies, especially Caligula. Romans were considered to the Jews, Heathens; they worshipped the naked body.

Some sexual attitudes and behaviors in ancient Roman culture differ markedly from those in later Western societies.[SUP][13][/SUP] Roman religion supported sexuality as an aspect of prosperity for the state, and individuals might turn to private religious practice or "magic" for improving their erotic lives or reproductive health. Prostitution was legal, public, and widespread. "Pornographic" paintings were featured among the art collections in respectable upperclass households.[SUP][14][/SUP] It was considered natural and unremarkable for adult males to be sexually attracted to teen-aged youths of both sexes, and pederasty was condoned as long as the younger partner was not a freeborn Roman. "Homosexual" and "heterosexual" did not form the primary dichotomy of Roman thinking about sexuality, and no Latin words for these concepts exist.[SUP][15][/SUP] No moral censure was directed at the adult male who enjoyed sex acts with either women or males of inferior status, as long as his behaviors revealed no weaknesses or excesses, nor infringed on the rights and prerogatives of his male peers. While perceived effeminacy was denounced, especially in political rhetoric, sex in moderation with male prostitutes or slaves was not regarded as improper or vitiating to masculinity, if the male citizen took the active and not the receptive role. Hypersexuality, however, was condemned morally and medically in both men and women. Women were held to a stricter moral code,[SUP][16][/SUP] and same-sex relations between women are poorly documented, but the sexuality of women is variously celebrated or reviled throughout Latin literature. In general the Romans had more flexible gender categories than the ancient Greeks.[SUP][17] Sexuality in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/SUP]
 

Nancyer

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I used to visit a nudist camp, with my husband, and really did enjoy it. It had a restaurant, bar, pool tables, 2 pools, gift shop, all the amenities. I had a coworker who lived there part time who introduced us to it. Nothing sexual, in fact most of the bodies were far from sexy. But that was before I found Christ. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that now. I feel the need to keep oneself strictly for ones spouse in every sense. Privacy and modesty are Godly virtues.
 
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I used to visit a nudist camp, with my husband, and really did enjoy it. It had a restaurant, bar, pool tables, 2 pools, gift shop, all the amenities. I had a coworker who lived there part time who introduced us to it. Nothing sexual, in fact most of the bodies were far from sexy. But that was before I found Christ. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that now. I feel the need to keep oneself strictly for ones spouse in every sense. Privacy and modesty are Godly virtues.
Ms. Nancyer: Would you say it was rather like an open air, beach type of environment? similar to how people go to the beach to tan and take the air? and maybe this is what you liked about it.

(I'm kind of uninformed about the subject, anyway.)

Blessings.
 

NatureBoy14

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Genesis 3:4-5 KJV
(4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
(5) For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


So are you saying that God was wrong and Satan was right? That sin opened their eyes?
God was right. Satan half-lied - something he is an expert in. Eve did not die immediately. And their eyes were opened.
Gen 3:7 "Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings."

Psalms 104:1-2 KJV
(1) Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
(2) Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:


This verse is clear that God is clothed in light. So are you saying that man who was created in the image of God was not clothed in light? That would mean man was only partilly made in the image of God.
God is also eternal, holy, a spirit, and has many other attributes humans do not share.

Psalm 61:4 "I will abide in Your tabernacle forever; I will trust in the shelter of Your wings".
Is God a great big chicken?

Just as God is clothed in light so Adam & Eve were clothed in light.
Gen 2:25 disagrees with you.

The clothing of light represented righteousness, which they lost after they sinned,
Chapter and verse, please. There is no record of this light clothing or it being lost.

so they made their own righteousness (fig leaves) but, God clothed them with coats of skins which came from the lamb slain from the foundation of the world showing that righteousness comes from Christ not our own works.
I'm with you to this point. The text does not say what kind of animal was used, just "skins". And I don't believe it anywhere explicitly links the skins with Jesus' sacrifice. But it is a pretty clear foreshadowing and the symbolism is there.

Remember it was God who gave Adam & Eve the clothing of light.
And now you've gone outside Scripture and made things up.