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That is why I stated Pastors who are after God's heart. As I am a married Pastor I do not try to force anyone to submit to me in my house or in the church. I have learned that if you love them, teach them and treat them with the respect they deserve they will follow you willingly. But the post is about obeying your Pastors with the Bible clearly says to do.
Hebrews 13:17-18 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.[SUP] [/SUP]Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
1 Thess 5:12-13 [SUP] [/SUP]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
Ephesians 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;[SUP] [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Hebrews 13:17-18 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.[SUP] [/SUP]Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
1 Thess 5:12-13 [SUP] [/SUP]And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labor among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
Ephesians 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;[SUP] [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
It is obvious that you did not read what I posted. Take time to read and not have your onion formed and you will see. Therefore I will restate it again. This is not about Pastors who have a agenda besides discipline the people, teaching them to walk in the ways of Jesus. However you seem to want to keep throwing things up that are not about that, so what is your main agenda I would ask?
yes truth is truth.. all people need to learn from word of God
Pastor is also human.. He is need to learn .
This young man is 26y old.. he is aimed on pastors.. in my early ministry days i did only gospel,.., i went to preach to ministers after planting some churches, after learning some truth..
but our work must be fair
Pastor, elder, deacon, believers all are with same call to live in truth to walk in truth .. which is word of God.. John 17:17
Pastor is also human.. He is need to learn .
This young man is 26y old.. he is aimed on pastors.. in my early ministry days i did only gospel,.., i went to preach to ministers after planting some churches, after learning some truth..
but our work must be fair
Pastor, elder, deacon, believers all are with same call to live in truth to walk in truth .. which is word of God.. John 17:17
I am always open to learn, and thank you everyone for taking out time and post replies..
So finally what I have concluded is Pastors are from God according to Jerem. ( real pastors)
We should obey them as they come in the name of God.
We should not follow them blindly, let's use the bible and holy spirit..
Obeying doesn't mean being ruled or anything, it comes from respect and love. My pastor even respects me and my opinions and so do I. Everything works perfect when we are in Christ..
Though there are many cases on the pastors throughout the world I believe there are certainly a higher number of devoted ones, they must be respected.
You talk about india.. We must understand how difficult it can be for a pastor, we need to understand how hard it is to have a prayer meeting in some places in our country, in some Maoist militant affected area it's like a nightmare..
It's our responsibility to support the men of God..
I don't think there's a room for argument in this.. If you are saved then you have to preach too, we all are preachers, the same what we do to others sometimes come to us.. I being a youth leader always try to support everyone even to those who are very annoying..
May God bless everyone.. let everything what we do be done in love.. Amen
So finally what I have concluded is Pastors are from God according to Jerem. ( real pastors)
We should obey them as they come in the name of God.
We should not follow them blindly, let's use the bible and holy spirit..
Obeying doesn't mean being ruled or anything, it comes from respect and love. My pastor even respects me and my opinions and so do I. Everything works perfect when we are in Christ..
Though there are many cases on the pastors throughout the world I believe there are certainly a higher number of devoted ones, they must be respected.
You talk about india.. We must understand how difficult it can be for a pastor, we need to understand how hard it is to have a prayer meeting in some places in our country, in some Maoist militant affected area it's like a nightmare..
It's our responsibility to support the men of God..
I don't think there's a room for argument in this.. If you are saved then you have to preach too, we all are preachers, the same what we do to others sometimes come to us.. I being a youth leader always try to support everyone even to those who are very annoying..
May God bless everyone.. let everything what we do be done in love.. Amen
TO GOD OF TRUTH AND LOVE ALL BE THE GLORY
Proverbs: 30. 2. Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3. I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
:smoke: and by the way we are not pastors
:happy: FOR WE ARE JUST A SLAVE OF THE TRUTH THAT EVEN WITHIN THE UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN
con·scious·ness
ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs/
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
the awareness or perception of something by a person.
plural noun: consciousnesses
"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
"consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"
WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS THEY
:read:
1 Thessalonians: 1. 3. Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
God bless us all always
:ty:
Proverbs: 30. 2. Surely I am more brutish than any man, and have not the understanding of a man.
3. I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
4. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
:smoke: and by the way we are not pastors
:happy: FOR WE ARE JUST A SLAVE OF THE TRUTH THAT EVEN WITHIN THE UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN
con·scious·ness
ˈkän(t)SHəsnəs/
noun
the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings.
"she failed to regain consciousness and died two days later"
the awareness or perception of something by a person.
plural noun: consciousnesses
"her acute consciousness of Mike's presence"
the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.
"consciousness emerges from the operations of the brain"
WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS THEY
:read:
1 Thessalonians: 1. 3. Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
God bless us all always
:ty:
You are talking about pastors. Hebrews 13:17 has been twisted into a doctrine of demons.
KJV Obey them that have the rule over you. Submit yourselves unto them.
Only Christ has the rule over me, not any carnal man that has exalted himself above his brothers.
The word 'rule' is not in the Greek. So drop that.
Behold the Greek: Be persuaded by them them that guide you. Submit to their example and teaching.
You talk as though there is only one pastor in a fellowship. All elders are pastors. See: 1Peter 5 and Acts 20.
Sesrch your NT for a million years and you'll not find the single, salaried awesome pastor. Reverend means awesome. Only God is awesome, Psalms 111.
So who are you talking about when you say pastor?And, again, we are not called to obey a pastor/elder. If he is teaching the word correctly, which few do, we are to obey the word of God.
KJV Obey them that have the rule over you. Submit yourselves unto them.
Only Christ has the rule over me, not any carnal man that has exalted himself above his brothers.
The word 'rule' is not in the Greek. So drop that.
Behold the Greek: Be persuaded by them them that guide you. Submit to their example and teaching.
You talk as though there is only one pastor in a fellowship. All elders are pastors. See: 1Peter 5 and Acts 20.
Sesrch your NT for a million years and you'll not find the single, salaried awesome pastor. Reverend means awesome. Only God is awesome, Psalms 111.
So who are you talking about when you say pastor?And, again, we are not called to obey a pastor/elder. If he is teaching the word correctly, which few do, we are to obey the word of God.
Hello brother.. There is a reason about it.. first is God lead me to that. Second is an incident took place in our city in one church.. and brother I think it's good to preach about every aspect of the bible and Christian life... its a simple thing which comes out of respect..
I am teacher and we teach the students about the importance of respecting the teachers parents elders.. We see in many churches it's lacking.. churches are important and that's why it got mentioned in the book of revelation even.. its the duty of the preachers like us to cover every topics for the development of people.. Some days back I gave a sermon on importance of respecting parents.
But yes Christ, holy spirit and bible always be in the center of my sermon.
I am teacher and we teach the students about the importance of respecting the teachers parents elders.. We see in many churches it's lacking.. churches are important and that's why it got mentioned in the book of revelation even.. its the duty of the preachers like us to cover every topics for the development of people.. Some days back I gave a sermon on importance of respecting parents.
But yes Christ, holy spirit and bible always be in the center of my sermon.