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studier

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I’m confident that I answered your first question. Not sure what else to say about it.
You gave me a list and partial explanation of Scriptures. Does your thinking align with them? What have you done about them?

To answer your second question, I should not have a “tightrope salvation”, as God’s word gives us a list of sins to avoid and a list of things to know whether or not we are living in Christ (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-26, 2 Pet. 1:3-12, 1 Jn. 2:28, 3:3-10, 18, 19, 23-24, 4:7-8, 16, 21, 5:1-3, etc etc).
If you should not have, then why do you?

(So we understand one another, I won't do the work to look at lists of Scripture references. If we discuss any, we'll need to post the verse(s) content.

Based on all of that via God’s word as a Christian, I would say I am going to Heaven by His grace since I cannot live perfect, but that doesn’t mean to live in sin (Rom. 6:1).
So, what's your issue?
 
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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
I'm a pretty new Christian, end of last March start so have much to learn but i really identify with your issue. Overthinking and periodic major depression are HUGE problems for me, i was around 5 when i first experienced major depression. They were probably triggered by events in my early life but i'm sort of grateful for the experiences, they have led to my trying to understand what people do without judging them. Self doubt/feelings of unworthiness can render me pretty much non-functioning at times.

As i've said in another thread, walk a mile in my shoes is my favourite adage and think life is sweeter for ourselves and others, if judging others isn't our default position. Very likely you and i have a fair bit in common, think we both know salvation is faith, not works based but TULIP isn't your yardstick either? Unless one experiences the issues we might have in common, it can be so hard to understand one can truly believe in God and salvation but still experience overwhelming feelings of unworthiness at times. Personally think it's due to imperfection from our fall and that we all have our crosses to bear in some way. God does help us with them, however some issues
teach us SO much. Mine have caused me much grief but what i've learned from them has been worth the pain to me.

God's blessings friend and i'm so glad Bingo replied to you, he has such a beautiful way of thinking to me, his is the last post on page 1. Also posting a link to a couple of posts which might interest/help you:

https://christianchat.com/christian...eone-what-would-you-say-that-its-like.217581/

https://christianchat.com/christian...od-does-not-seem-to-want-to-take-away.217582/
 

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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.

I don’t know how you were saved, but I do believe there is a “right” way to be saved and a “wrong” way. If you depend on men and denominations to tell you what to do, you will likely get the wrong answer. If you find your answers from the Bible, written by the Holy Spirit directly from God, you will have PEACE.

Take, for example, the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8. What did he do to be saved? He HEARD the gospel as Phillip “preached unto him Jesus”. ( read Romans 10:17-18) He BELIEVED it. He CONFESSED with his mouth that Jesus was the Son of God (read Romans 10:9-10.) And he was baptized. (Read 1Peter 3:21). Remember that the Holy Spirit is the one saying these things. He is the one telling us what to do and SHOWING us what we need to do to be saved. God has given us COMMANDS for salvation, but He has also given us EXAMPLES, showing us how people in the first century were saved; how people in the early church—before there were any denominations—were saved. Don’t you think that if you do EXACTLY the same things that they did, that you, too, can be saved like they were and be sure of your salvation? In the case of the eunuch in Acts 8, after he had HEARD, BELIEVED, and was BAPTIZED, The Spirit says that he went on his way REJOICING! He had peace. He was happy.

Also, in Acts 8, you can read about the Samaritans who BELIEVED and were BAPTIZED and it says there was great rejoicing among the people. My point here is that maybe the reason you are troubled and feel unsure of your salvation is because you were taught a “different” gospel, as Paul talks about in Galations 1, that is a “perverted” gospel. The Holy Spirit may be trying to tell you to examine the way you were saved. It may be that you were never saved at all, if you did not do it God’s way— just like they did in the first century. Are there commands God has given that you did not obey? Did you leave something’s out? Did you do it a different way? God says that there is a way that SEEMS RIGHT to us but it leads to destruction. Also, He says our thoughs are not His thoughts and OUR WAYS are not His ways. The only way you can be SURE is if you do it exactly. As God commands and like they did in the first century. Only then will you have peace.

I still feel like God may be troubling you because you have not been saved accirding to the Bible.way. Consider these teachings of men: if you were told to say a “sinner’s prayer,” you need to know that there is no such thing in the Bible. No one in the New Testament was ever told to say a prayer to be saved. If you were told that the confession we make (Roman’s 10:10) is confessing that we are a sinner, be aware that that is not the confession that is “unto salvation.” We have an example of what confession we should make to be saved in Acts 8. The eunuch, just before he was baptized said, “ I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” Did you make that confession? Or did you just confess that you were a sinner? It makes a difference.

Baptism is anther area where there is much error being taught. Men and denominations will tell you that baptism is not necessary to be saved but the Bible existed before all of the denominations and the Bible presents a “different picture” of baptism.
Baptism saves us 1 Peter 3:21
Baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. Acts 2:38
Baptism “washes away sins” Acts 22:16
Baptism puts Us into the “death” of Christ where we come into contact with His blood that forgives us of our sins. Romans 6
JESUS himself said that it takes BELIEF and BAPTISM to be saved. Mark 16:16.
The Jews at Pentecost (Acts 2) BELIEVED, REPENTED, and were BAPTIZED.
The Samaritans BELIEVED and were BAPTIZED. Acts 8
Simon (the sorcerer) BELIEVED and was BAPTIZED. Acts 8
The eunuch BELIEVED, CONFESSED, and was BAPTIZED.
Saul of Tarsus BELIEVED and was BAPTIZED Acts 22:16.
Cornelius and his household BELIEVED and were BAPTIZED Acts 10.
Lydia BELIEVED and was BAPTIZED. Acts 16
The Jailer BELIEVED
and was BAPTIZED Acts 16.
Crispus and the Corinthians BELIEVED and were BAPTIZED.
Do you see a “pattern” here? This is God and the Holy Spirit and Christ telling you and showing you what you must do to be saved. If you are saved this way, you will have Peace and you can go in your way rejoicing! If you follow the commandments of men you may never find peace ( unless your conscience becomes hardened) and you will be lost. You must be baptized for the right reason—to be saved, to have the forgiveness of sins, to wash away your sins, etc. if you were baptized because you believe buoy were already saved, then your baptism is not the one described in the Bible. In Acts 19, we have an example of some people being re-baptized because their first baptism was not tge right one. Why were you baptized? Was it for the remission of sins? Acts 2:38. You might not be saved.

Again, God has given us an example of what to do when we sin after becoming a Christian. Go back to Acts 8. Simon ( the sorcerer) became a Christian by believing and being baptized ( just like the eunuch) but sinned not long thereafter. What do the scriptures say he was told to do by God’s apostles? They told him to “repent” and pray for forgiveness. He was not told to be re-baptized. No, that, if done scripturally, is a one time act. Now, if and when we sin, we pray for forgiveness. 1 John 2:1 says that “we have an Advocate with tge Father.” 1 John 1:8- “If we CONFESS our sins, He is faithful and just to FORGIVE us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” There is no need to fear. If we are penetrant ( sorry) and ask for forgiveness, God has promised to forgive us and as you know, God does not lie. The scriptures do say that if you sin willfully, perhaps thinking that you can repent later, there is no more sacrifice for those sins. So we cannot abuse this “grace” from God. God knows we cannot live a perfect life, although we must try to live without sinning. He has made a way for us to be saved by continually forgiving us when we sin. The scriptures say that God does not want ANYONE to be lost. He is not looking for an opportunity to “squash” us like a bug! He gives time and many oppunities to repent. David once prayed that God would forgive him of his “secret” sins— those sins that he might not even realize he is committing. We pray every day and every night for forgiveness “and God, who is rich in mercy, cleanses us from all unrighteousness. What spiritual blessings we have in Christ Jesus. We have many reasons to rejoice!!
 
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Jn. 3:5; 16; Acts 8:37-38; Acts 22:16; Rom. 10:9-13; Acts 2:21-38; Jn. 10:27-28; Heb. 5:9; Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 19:1-5; Mt. 7:21; 2 Thess. 1:8, Rom. 8:1; Gal. 5:21-26; 2 Peter 1:3-11 etc etc.)

In a nutsell, we must believe (Jn. 3:16), confess Jesus as Lord and believe Him to be the Son of God (Rom. 10:9; Acts 8:37), believe He resurrected from the grave (Rom. 10:9-10), repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), then follow/obeyJesus (Heb. 5:9; Jn. 10:27). Have fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:21-26), grow as a Christian (2 Peter 1:3-11, 3:18), and not let sin to reign in our mortal bodies (Rom. 6:12). Abide in His doctrine and Him (2 Jn. 9ff; Jn. 15:4ff), continue in His word (Jn. 8:31) and practice righteousness (1 Jn. 2:29 etc etc).
Amen and then add this for times when we fail

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭

I acknowledged my sin unto thee, And mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; And thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: Surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭32:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we’re walking after what you said there which is really good stuff , at times we’re going to fail and then we’ll realize “ wow I failed again “ but at that point we have to remember the rest of the things he taught like confession and repentance and remission of sins we have to remember when we sin we have an advocate with the Father working on our behalf and interceeding on our behalf

Our intention should be to never sin but when we realized we have we can’t have the ot mindset of , now we’re done for and defiled we have to remember repentance and remission of sins part of his promise

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

a oir attitude should be to live upright and godly always but then at times we do fail if we are willing to examine our own selves and then comes the goft of confession repentance and remission of sins and the sire mercies of David
 

Kroogz

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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
You should have just come out said........This is a works and loss of salvation thread. Most of us knew it in the first place.

Believers.........Never perish. Done deal.
 
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I have never felt truly secure with my salvation. I set a high standard for myself, and have a tightrope salvation. Instead of being happy I am saved, I get terrified, being afraid that if I sin that I am going to hell, as if salvation is “lost” on a day to day basis, then it comes down to how good I am on that particular day. If I sinned, then I’m not damned. If I didn’t, then I’m not. I get terrified and feel God is extremely angry at me when I sin. This a miserable way of life. Any advice help will be appreciated. It’s as if I’m walking on eggshells all the time.
Okay so this is coming from a non typical perspective on this site, I’m a Catholic. I’m absolutely not trying to convert you, I know Protestants think only belief is enough. We believe in belief, but also repentance and staying in communion with the Lord. I think regardless of what you believe, staying in prayer every day, reflecting over your sins, and apologizing genuinely to the Lord while trying your best to avoid sin, should be a crucial part of every Christians day to day life. I think doing this might mitigate some of the anxiety you feel. We know that God’s grace is a free gift, but you need to also accept that by maintaining a relationship with him through prayer and reading his word! I’ll be praying for you my friend!
 
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Okay so this is coming from a non typical perspective on this site, I’m a Catholic. I’m absolutely not trying to convert you, I know Protestants think only belief is enough. We believe in belief, but also repentance and staying in communion with the Lord. I think regardless of what you believe, staying in prayer every day, reflecting over your sins, and apologizing genuinely to the Lord while trying your best to avoid sin, should be a crucial part of every Christians day to day life. I think doing this might mitigate some of the anxiety you feel. We know that God’s grace is a free gift, but you need to also accept that by maintaining a relationship with him through prayer and reading his word! I’ll be praying for you my friend!
Absolutely. I agree with everything you have said. Appreciate your thoughts. And thank you for the prayers!
 

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Okay so this is coming from a non typical perspective on this site, I’m a Catholic. I’m absolutely not trying to convert you, I know Protestants think only belief is enough. We believe in belief, but also repentance and staying in communion with the Lord. I think regardless of what you believe, staying in prayer every day, reflecting over your sins, and apologizing genuinely to the Lord while trying your best to avoid sin, should be a crucial part of every Christians day to day life. I think doing this might mitigate some of the anxiety you feel. We know that God’s grace is a free gift, but you need to also accept that by maintaining a relationship with him through prayer and reading his word! I’ll be praying for you my friend!
I think being Catholic is fine God looks to the heart, my question is about praying to mary is that something all catholics do?
That would be my only issue with catholics
 
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Ephesians 1:13-14 (NIV) And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

If the Holy Spirit is in us, that is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. We should not sin and grieve the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:29), but when we do, it does not seem like the Holy Spirit is removed from us, hence we remain sealed.
 
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I think being Catholic is fine God looks to the heart, my question is about praying to mary is that something all catholics do?
That would be my only issue with catholics
We don’t just “pray” to Mary, we pray to all the angels and saints. It’s like asking your friends to pray for you. And who is would more easily get your prayer to God besides those close to him in heaven! And this isn’t at all like a replacement for prayer or acting like God cannot answer the prayer himself. We believe God is fine with intercessions and gives that to use as a tool! Mary is favored as an intercessor because we believe Jesus when gave his mother to John, he also gave her as a mother to us. It’s a little more complicated than that too when you look at the dogma of immaculate conception. All that I admire within Mary is because she is a reflection of God. The best metaphor for this is that Mary is the moon and God is the Sun. The moon shines very brightly, but produces no light. The only light it has is the light it has reflected from the sun!
 

Blain

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We don’t just “pray” to Mary, we pray to all the angels and saints. It’s like asking your friends to pray for you. And who is would more easily get your prayer to God besides those close to him in heaven! And this isn’t at all like a replacement for prayer or acting like God cannot answer the prayer himself. We believe God is fine with intercessions and gives that to use as a tool! Mary is favored as an intercessor because we believe Jesus when gave his mother to John, he also gave her as a mother to us. It’s a little more complicated than that too when you look at the dogma of immaculate conception. All that I admire within Mary is because she is a reflection of God. The best metaphor for this is that Mary is the moon and God is the Sun. The moon shines very brightly, but produces no light. The only light it has is the light it has reflected from the sun!
isn't that what Jesus is for though? if he is not a good enough mediator for us who else could?
 
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isn't that what Jesus is for though? if he is not a good enough mediator for us who else could?
It’s absolutely not that Jesus isn’t good enough for us. We’re not saying God isn’t good enough when we pray through saints. It’s like when you ask a friend to pray for you. That’s not saying God isn’t good enough when you do that. And that still wouldn’t replace praying to Jesus, it’s just a sometimes thing. Also many pray to God and ask for intercession at the same time.
 

Blain

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It’s absolutely not that Jesus isn’t good enough for us. We’re not saying God isn’t good enough when we pray through saints. It’s like when you ask a friend to pray for you. That’s not saying God isn’t good enough when you do that. And that still wouldn’t replace praying to Jesus, it’s just a sometimes thing. Also many pray to God and ask for intercession at the same time.
Well if it actually helps then to each their own
 

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It’s absolutely not that Jesus isn’t good enough for us. We’re not saying God isn’t good enough when we pray through saints. It’s like when you ask a friend to pray for you. That’s not saying God isn’t good enough when you do that. And that still wouldn’t replace praying to Jesus, it’s just a sometimes thing. Also many pray to God and ask for intercession at the same time.
It is not Biblical to pray to dead people... For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.