New Earth and New Heaven

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Sorry if i misread your words but i only went off what you wrote:



I do not agree that these kingdoms are different.. God will come down and dwell in the New Jerusalem with men.. therefore it is a continuation of His Eternal Kingdom..

Revelation 21 :KJV
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

It is not just the city that is coming out of heaven down to us but God Himself also.. If we are with god then we are in His kingdom..

Revelation 21:KJV
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The New Jerusalem is the Fathers House
If the scriptures is referring to the New Jerusalem when it mentions the "many rooms" I will accept that.
 

miknik5

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No one can even imagine what GOD has in store for those who love HIM and are called according to HIS PURPOSE

God does not lie
trust in GOD who will make due on all HIS PROMISES

the lion will lay down with the lsmb
amd every sword be beaten into a plowshare
and they will never harm again in the land
snd GOD will wipe away every tear

Never to mourn or to suffer or to cry again
 
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so you reject what I posted?
this is scripture is it not?

Psalms 37:29 (KJV)


The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

-explain to me what the land here means?


are you rejecting clear bible verses that says we inherit [the earth] also,
that we will be kings and priests on this earth?


again give me one verse that says we inherit heaven
A completely new Genesis. New heaven and new earth .The present whole creation will vanish. God subjected the old to corruption it will vanish .

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.2Pe 3:12

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No hunger, no sun for light or heat , no time keepers ,no seasons. A new incorruptible body which will be neither male not female .Not way to reproduce.Our memories of the former here on earth will vanish and never come to mind.

Revelation 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.


Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
 
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garee;2808444 said:
A completely new Genesis. New heaven and new earth .The present whole creation will vanish. God subjected the old to corruption it will vanish .
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
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#45
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

I would offer, These represents more than one, which would of been ;This is.The same with the plural use of generation and heaven and again when using they again as both and repeats it with the plural of heaven..

I don't think it could be paraphrased

Gen 2:4 This the generation of the heaven and of the earth when it was created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heaven,
 
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It will be here, but all will be renewed. In Hebrew there is no word for new only re-new...

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away."

Also in my sig.

and The Scripture 1998 got it right in their translation:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more.
Rev 21:2 And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Ylohim, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the heaven saying, “See, the Booth of Ylohim is with men, and He shall dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and Ylohim Himself shall be with them and be their Ylohim.
Rev 21:4 “And Ylohim shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away.”
I have something that'll blow yer mind & make you rethink that.....

Revelation 21:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

The approx size of the New Jerusalem is between 1200 & 1500 MILES..... CUBED. I read somewhere that our current atmosphere is 9 miles high at its peak. Pleeeze tell me how that's gonna work, LOL!:p
 

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#47
I have something that'll blow yer mind & make you rethink that.....

Revelation 21:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

The approx size of the New Jerusalem is between 1200 & 1500 MILES..... CUBED. I read somewhere that our current atmosphere is 9 miles high at its peak. Pleeeze tell me how that's gonna work, LOL!:p
Your estimations are correct. Based on the description and the specific measurements given I take this passage literally. Yes, gonna be a big cube.
 

Ahwatukee

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It will be here, but all will be renewed. In Hebrew there is no word for new only re-new...
Regarding as to whether the new heaven and new earth is "New" as a new creation (something from nothing) or whether it refers to this current heaven and earth being refurbished, we need to look at the context.

1). Since it is obvious that the new Jerusalem is not and cannot be a renovation of the current city of Jerusalem, but is something that is a new creation, i.e. never having existed. In this respect, the word "New" here in the verse would have to refer to a new creation, novel, unprecedented. Therefore, since the verse uses the same word "New" to also describe the new heaven and new earth, then I would submit that they must also be new creations, i.e. something from nothing, not have previously existed.

2). "Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

"He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old
order of things has passed away."


In the first scripture above, it is said that the first heaven and first earth had passed away (ἀπέρχομαι/aperchomai). Then we see how the same word is used in the second scripture which says, "death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will have passed away. Since we know from the context that for those things mentioned to "Pass away" means that they will cease to exist, then we can also apply this same meaning to the heaven and earth passing away, as in, no longer existing.

3). "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them." (φεύγω/pheugó - I flee, escape, shun)


In the scripture above, for this current heaven and earth to "Flee" from God's presence and that there will ne no place found for them, would seem to infer that they go away, depart. Therefore, the context would not infer the current heaven and earth as being a renovation in order to make up the new heaven and new earth.

Conclusion: Just as the new Jerusalem is a new creation, so also will the new heaven and new earth be new creations
 
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