New violence of the Holy Spirit?

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NoahsDad

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Re: New violence of the Holy Spirit?
I have found that the same people that deny the Holy Ghost are the same people who reject Jesus through their belief in eternal salvation, and are the same people who lash out at preachers that operate in the Holy Spirit. This all makes sence. If a church that taught eternal salvation accepted the opperatin of the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit would lead them away from this belief therefore they must deny the Holy Spirit. This also explains why they lash out at preachers who teach in alignment with the actual gospel of Jesus Christ and operate in the Holy Spirit. This new religion that is being taught is so close to actual Christianity that many are fooled into believing that they are saved. These teachings are a trick from satan to lead many to hell.
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so prety much,in a nutshell,If you aint baptist or subscribe to that sort of belief youre wrong and subject to go to hell lest you repent?
Is that whats bein said?
 
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Baptistrw said:
That's not what the unforgivable sin. The unforgivable sin was saying Christ was doing miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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Have you taken total leave of youre senses man?
 
jaylynn83

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im confussed...... so what is the unforgiveable sin then???
 
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To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is a sin for which there is no forgiveness in this age or in the millennial age to come. When Jesus said in this age, He was speaking of the days of His public ministry on earth.
 
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The unpardonable sin (blaspheming against the Holy Spirit) is charging that Jesus performed His miracles by the power of Satan rather than by the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I'm pretty sure the bible says to test all things to see what spirit they're of. And as for cracking on someone's age doesn't it say not to let anyone despise your youth? I go to a pentecostal church and from what I can tell most of that is human emotion.
 
MahogonySnail

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What's wrong with human emotion?


I agree Baptist with what you said but I can't see the difference between what you said and what I posted earlier.
 
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carpetmanswife said:
i am sayin this because ,here we go again..the catholic thread started out this way, now its pentecostals etc.The bible is plain, very clear . yes there are phoneys, counterfeits .telling a 'brother' your interpetation of the word is all fine and good BUT Galatians 6:1 If a man be overtaken in a fault ,ye which are spiritual , restore such a one in the spirit of MEEKNESS, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted. Doesnt say keep naggin em till u make them believe the way you do. In fact John 16:8 says And when HE *Holy Spirit* is come , HE will reprove the world of sin, of unrighteousness and judgement. Sharing the word is our job convincing is not! So plz lets try not to let this one get carried away like the other forums have and run even more ppl off from a wonderful christian site. My little children let us love not in word or tongue but in deed and truth. 1John 3:18 Our actions do speak so much louder than our words
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I agree with you, we have to love each other. Paul never exposed his prick in the flesh, lets not try to expose others.
 
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My heart is with you, for in doing that, he is well pleased
 
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carpetmanswife said:
i am sayin this because ,here we go again..the catholic thread started out this way, now its pentecostals etc.The bible is plain, very clear . yes there are phoneys, counterfeits .telling a 'brother' your interpetation of the word is all fine and good BUT Galatians 6:1 If a man be overtaken in a fault ,ye which are spiritual , restore such a one in the spirit of MEEKNESS, considering thyself lest thou also be tempted. Doesnt say keep naggin em till u make them believe the way you do. In fact John 16:8 says And when HE *Holy Spirit* is come , HE will reprove the world of sin, of unrighteousness and judgement. Sharing the word is our job convincing is not! So plz lets try not to let this one get carried away like the other forums have and run even more ppl off from a wonderful christian site. My little children let us love not in word or tongue but in deed and truth. 1John 3:18 Our actions do speak so much louder than our words
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What you have said and communicated from your heart reveals your love for God and your brothers and sisters in Christ. There is nothing that can be said against what you have expressed here and I am sure that it measures up with how you live your life before God.
 
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Baptistrw said:
That's not what the unforgivable sin. The unforgivable sin was saying Christ was doing miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit.
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I TRIPLE THAT...

WHAT?!?
 
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I feel that if Pentecostals are guilty of one thing, and I can say this because I was raised Pentecostal - Holiness, if we are guilty of one thing is that at times we (as individuals) can be a little self centered by placing too much focus on our own spiritual growth. I know pentecostals who become so infatuated with the "spiritual" that they leave themselves open to the possibility of being deceived.

However, on that same token, I know people from other denominations who are so "anti-spiritual" that they label anything that occurs that they are not able to explain logically as satanic. Not only do the deny the work of the Holy Spirit as such but they also deny the Holy Spirit the opportunity to do something miraculous in their own lives.
 
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I don't have a denomination, but have been involve with the Baptist, pentecostal and full Gospel, and have seen them all do things in their services that was not lined up with the Bible. But will agree with Roaringkitten, as far as saying that the Holy Ghost will never do anything against the Bible. and just because we are guilded by the Holy Ghost or even filled with The Holy Ghost , we should never do anything that goes against the Word of God, here is one area that is badly abused by the pentecostal and the full Gospel folks, 1co 14:27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.1co 14:28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.


But I have learned that most folks don't mean to go against the Word of God it Is just they don't know the Word of God Just as Benny henn must have not known that Jesus said ;

Mt 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.Mt 24:24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Mt 24:25Behold, I have told you before.Mt 24:26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.Mt 24:27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For a few years back benny gave a Prophecy that Jesus would physically appear with benny on stage when they were in China. which didn't happen and if it had happened then Jesus Lied ( which can't be) in Matt. 24,

Ho 4:6My people are destroyed for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.


2ti 2:15Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Yes, there are several prophecies made by Hinn that did not come true. However, before this bash session goes any further, we must stick with claims that can be proven. There is no proof that Hinn has embezzled any money whatsoever. Both the IRS and FBI have thurroughly investigated both Hinn and his ministry. Personally, I do not watch Hinn or follow his ministry. However, I also will not repeat conjecture that can not be proven and neither should anyone else. To do so would be bearing false witness.
 
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KingdomGeneration said:
Yes, there are several prophecies made by Hinn that did not come true. However, before this bash session goes any further, we must stick with claims that can be proven. There is no proof that Hinn has embezzled any money whatsoever. Both the IRS and FBI have thurroughly investigated both Hinn and his ministry. Personally, I do not watch Hinn or follow his ministry. However, I also will not repeat conjecture that can not be proven and neither should anyone else. To do so would be bearing false witness.
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BTW - Thaddeus, I wasn't implying that you personally were bashing Hinn. I was referring to those who have openly bashed Hinn previously in the thread without any proof.
 
MahogonySnail

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I really think the original poster didn't have much idea about pentecostal things or the difference between this violence of the Spirit and Benny Hinn.

It is claimed that violence of the Holy Spirit is new but if you read the old testament you will find God can be violent at times.

There are many other things that could be questioned in these movements such as diamonds, gold dust, liposuction angels (yes there are angels that literally suck the fat out of people so they get skinny). Even many pentecostals stumble over this. Benny Hinn is into none of that as far as I'm aware. Some might say these miracles are of the devil but why would the devil make someone skinny, wouldn't the devil want to make someone extremely obese so that they have health problems and die?
You can't really judge by looking at the miracle itself.

I've been to Hinn's crusades and really there's nothing obviously wrong with the man's preaching or teaching, except perhaps his singing can be off key. A lot of the criticisms of Hinn on the internet are old, like from the 90's etc. Maybe Hinn has got more on the straight and narrow in recent years, but if you listen to Hinn's preaching it's straight down the line Gospel message repent of your sins and believe.

Before anyone criticise Hinn I suggest you go to one of his crusades and then form your opinion. You will have a great time. What you see on TV or internet is not the whole story. The only real criticism of Hinn I have is that he tends to focus on old testament law perhaps a bit too much when I personally believe in a clearer separation between the old and the new. But he does teach a deep reverence, awe and fear of God, particularly in his teachings on the Holy Spirit about not grieving, vexing or offending the Spirit.

Unfortunately there are those who criticise miracles saying they are of the devil, and that is saying the work of the Spirit is satan. That is blasphemy of the Spirit and very dangerous.
 
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Unfortunately there are those who criticise miracles saying they are of the devil, and that is saying the work of the Spirit is satan. That is blasphemy of the Spirit and very dangerous.
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That is so true.
 
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