NIV or ESV?
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i think here is one of the many old style kjv English translations that i found today in the modern English that have a "directly opposite meaning today than it did when the kjv was interpreted" that is although it is correctly interpreted in the year 2014 some of the words have a different meaning.
jer.51;30,,,"the mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight,they have remained in their holds:their might hath failed;they became as women:they have burned her dwellingplaces her bars are broken.",,,,,
that is in the common speech the term "forborn to fight,they have remained in their holds" would insinuate that they were from before birth they were sent to remain in their holds(foxholes,bunkers ect.) and not run ect.ect.,,,but in old English the word "forborn" means they became flabby,lacking idle ect. as if they were cowards,,, Strong's Number 2308 Hebrew Dictionary of the Old Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com
now i have become use to where to acknowledge these differences in meaning but for instance my children and grand children would not know this unless they researched this word for word. in the beggining of jer.51;3 "against him that bendeth let the archer bend his bow" is also confusing "at a glance" but if you leave a bow strung it will loose its power so they unstrung them and let them relax.
so "he that bendeth" or in other scriptures "he that walketh down the bow" is in reference to an archer who "sets the bow end in the arch of his foot and (with his leg or other foot,depending on bow style) "walks down(bendeth)the bow and puts the string on it to make it ready to fire. so with that in mind the phrase "against him that bendeth,let the archer bend his bow" is speaking of "TWO ARCHERS" one is the enemy of the other.,,,but again even though this is what i grew up using i could easily see how the modern speaking people would read this and think something else.
jer.51;30,,,"the mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight,they have remained in their holds:their might hath failed;they became as women:they have burned her dwellingplaces her bars are broken.",,,,,
that is in the common speech the term "forborn to fight,they have remained in their holds" would insinuate that they were from before birth they were sent to remain in their holds(foxholes,bunkers ect.) and not run ect.ect.,,,but in old English the word "forborn" means they became flabby,lacking idle ect. as if they were cowards,,, Strong's Number 2308 Hebrew Dictionary of the Old Testament Online Bible with Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon, Etymology, Translations Definitions Meanings & Key Word Studies - Lexiconcordance.com
now i have become use to where to acknowledge these differences in meaning but for instance my children and grand children would not know this unless they researched this word for word. in the beggining of jer.51;3 "against him that bendeth let the archer bend his bow" is also confusing "at a glance" but if you leave a bow strung it will loose its power so they unstrung them and let them relax.
so "he that bendeth" or in other scriptures "he that walketh down the bow" is in reference to an archer who "sets the bow end in the arch of his foot and (with his leg or other foot,depending on bow style) "walks down(bendeth)the bow and puts the string on it to make it ready to fire. so with that in mind the phrase "against him that bendeth,let the archer bend his bow" is speaking of "TWO ARCHERS" one is the enemy of the other.,,,but again even though this is what i grew up using i could easily see how the modern speaking people would read this and think something else.
but now i took two scriptures out of the kjv that i am used to and needed to explain it for 5 paragraphs,,,so obviously there is a language gap and a great necessity to have a more modern translation . but you are better acquainted with all of the modern translations does one of them convey the same meaning?
here are the other versions Jeremiah 51:30 Babylon's warriors have stopped fighting; they remain in their strongholds. Their strength is exhausted; they have become weaklings. Her dwellings are set on fire; the bars of her gates are broken. it stands out that they all do convey the same meaning but the old word "forborn",,,without looking it us could be very easily confused,,,
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When I was looking for an everyday Bible years ago, I took an NIV and ESV and compared key verses. I liked the ESV better. Then I came to learn it is more of a "word for word" translation from the Greek and Hebrew where the NIV is more of a "thought for thought" translation. My pastor tends to pull from the ESV in his teaching as well.