NIV, RSV & ASV: The Anti-christ bibles identified by Amazing Discoveries

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In the field of Hebrew textual translation they use what is called dynamic equivalence which trys to bring the Hebrew to more modern understanding in English. Its just a method of translation and not a deliberate act of destroying the scripture.

The problem with some of these chats are that the mass majority have never studied Hebrew or Greek and never had to translate them. They have never studied the history of transmission of the texts. They hear what their pastor says or look at some YouTube videos and all of a sudden they are experts. I have spent over 20 years studying the scriptures and have done translations with the Greek and Hebrew texts. The KJV only people have no leg to stand on. They say its all based on faith that the KJV is the perfect word of God.

Dr.G
Talk- I think a lot of people on CC actually HAVE studied the history of textual transmission at least a little bit. As far as biblical languages, I can't say. The issue as far as I can tell is a mixture of lack of knowledge, which you pointed out, and a set of ready made pat answers to anything that challenges assumptions. This includes things like "the Spirit guided them" or other answers that cannot be proven, verified, qualified, or otherwise tested in any way. They are FAITH statements, not rational or reasoned ones.
Folks are entitled to their faith and beliefs, whether they have reason or not, but I object to people defending faith statements as rational ones or pressing others to have similar confiction about faith statements that they have.
 
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Laodicea

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#42
Let me start by saying that the text used before the Textus Receptus was not Byzantine text. They came around the 10th through 15th century. I don't know where you are getting your information but its wrong.

It was the Alexandrian text that was the majority text for the first 1000 years.

The TR was produced by the Roman Catholic Priest Desiderius Erasmus in 1516 (first edition) and it had gone through 2 more editions as well. Lets get the facts straight before making false statements.
All you are doing is giving your own words and no evidence
 
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hislastwalk

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#43
all translations of the bibles have some kinda errors somewhere, it was inspired by God who is perfect, but translated by men who aren't perfect.
 
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Laodicea

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#44
In the field of Hebrew textual translation they use what is called dynamic equivalence which trys to bring the Hebrew to more modern understanding in English. Its just a method of translation and not a deliberate act of destroying the scripture.

The problem with some of these chats are that the mass majority have never studied Hebrew or Greek and never had to translate them. They have never studied the history of transmission of the texts. They hear what their pastor says or look at some YouTube videos and all of a sudden they are experts. I have spent over 20 years studying the scriptures and have done translations with the Greek and Hebrew texts. The KJV only people have no leg to stand on. They say its all based on faith that the KJV is the perfect word of God.

Dr.G
If you think the KJV people have no leg to stand on then give some evidence not just your own words.
Understanding the Bible does not come through study of Hebrew and Greek or studying for many years. The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but they missed the point of the scriptures. Understanding the Bible comes through this:-
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,



 
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Warrior777

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#45
In the field of Hebrew textual translation they use what is called dynamic equivalence which trys to bring the Hebrew to more modern understanding in English. Its just a method of translation and not a deliberate act of destroying the scripture.

The problem with some of these chats are that the mass majority have never studied Hebrew or Greek and never had to translate them. They have never studied the history of transmission of the texts. They hear what their pastor says or look at some YouTube videos and all of a sudden they are experts. I have spent over 20 years studying the scriptures and have done translations with the Greek and Hebrew texts. The KJV only people have no leg to stand on. They say its all based on faith that the KJV is the perfect word of God.

Dr.G
Thank you for your response.
So if I do understand you correctly, you are saying that these 6 above mentioned translations did indeed translate it correctly in the sense of the original meaning of the original texts, just in a more understandable English, right?
 
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ChristianTalk

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#46
All you are doing is giving your own words and no evidence
Are you serious? You need to study early church history, which you haven't. You can look up anything I just stated as a fact. Look at "History Of The Christian Church", Philip Schaff or "A History of Christianity", Kenneth Scott Latourette. These are historians who you can check out. Stop speaking lies.
 
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ChristianTalk

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#47
Thank you for your response.
So if I do understand you correctly, you are saying that these 6 above mentioned translations did indeed translate it correctly in the sense of the original meaning of the original texts, just in a more understandable English, right?
Yes, they have translated them into English with the context in view for better reading and understanding for those who do not read Hebrew.
 
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ChristianTalk

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#48
If you think the KJV people have no leg to stand on then give some evidence not just your own words.
Understanding the Bible does not come through study of Hebrew and Greek or studying for many years. The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but they missed the point of the scriptures. Understanding the Bible comes through this:-
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,



The Bible does not come by the study of Hebrew of Greek? Are you kidding? Who do you think translated the KJV? Men who knew the language and Latin. Scholars! Who do you think translated your KJV English Bible? Scholars! Men who knew Hebrew and Greek. You, KJV only people, who thinks it is the perfect word of God are alone. Even the men like Erasmus who put it together knew it wasn't perfect because he didn't have all the Greek manuscripts at hand like we do today. No Greek scholar would agree with you or the rest of KJV only people.

Listen to Paul the Apostle who was a learned Pharisee.

"STUDY to show yourself approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH" 2Tim 2:15

We need to study the language it was written in if we or you are going to make false statement with no references at all.
 
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Laodicea

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#49
The Bible does not come by the study of Hebrew of Greek? Are you kidding? Who do you think translated the KJV? Men who knew the language and Latin. Scholars! Who do you think translated your KJV English Bible? Scholars! Men who knew Hebrew and Greek. You, KJV only people, who thinks it is the perfect word of God are alone. Even the men like Erasmus who put it together knew it wasn't perfect because he didn't have all the Greek manuscripts at hand like we do today. No Greek scholar would agree with you or the rest of KJV only people.

Listen to Paul the Apostle who was a learned Pharisee.

"STUDY to show yourself approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the WORD of TRUTH" 2Tim 2:15

We need to study the language it was written in if we or you are going to make false statement with no references at all.
Do you think you know the Bible better than others because you know hebrew and greek?
 

cronjecj

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Sep 25, 2011
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Do you think you know the Bible better than others because you know hebrew and greek?
It looks like it because he threw it in my face too.

ChristianTalk behave now kk?

in Christ :)
 
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ChristianTalk

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#51
Do you think you know the Bible better than others because you know hebrew and greek?
I believe I know the Bible better then the average person who never studied the language of the Bible, yes. I have spent the last 20 years studying the scriptures so I can show myself approved of God as Paul commanded. The Bible wasn't written in English, it was written in ancient Hebrew and Greek. I have written over a dozen books, some on the subject of the language.
 
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ChristianTalk

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#52
It looks like it because he threw it in my face too.

ChristianTalk behave now kk?

in Christ :)
[COLOR=[B]"Blue"]Sorry for throwing it your face, I'm just letting you know that I have done my homework. I apologize if I offended you.[/B] [/COLOR] :)
 

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download audio Texe Marrs : Jews Target Christian Bible


"Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, especially the New Testament."
The Jewish Talmud,
(Shabbath 116a)
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hroughout the centuries men have written and published thousands of hideous and monstrous books. In 18th century revolutionary France, the Illuminist philosopher, the Marquis de Sade, penned books that staggered peoples' imagination, volumes filled with sordid accounts of sexual debauchery, cruel sadistic tortures, and masochistic atrocities. In the years since the Marquis produced his soul-destroying stories, many other warped minds have come forth so that today, the shelves of adult and XXX-rated bookstores no doubt are stocked with countless, new accounts of savagery. Fiendish movies, such as The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Saw, Scream, and others are often based on these horrific books.
These many books and films are dangerous because they pervert and twist peoples' minds, obsessing criminals and inciting them to duplicate in real life the horrors which they see pictured in cinema.
The Most Dangerous Book

Considering the mountain of diabolical books available today, what would you estimate would be the most dangerous book of all? Which of hundreds of thousands of books now in print would you, if you could, censor or ban altogether?
Well, one powerful group of elitists in society has already chosen the book it insists is the most horrible and dangerous book on the planet. This influential group is now mounting an all-out campaign to totally remove every copy of this book off the face of the planet. Moreover, many in the group are demanding that governments everywhere ban this book and imprison anyone caught with it in their possession.
The book they most want banned and criminalized is none other than the Christian New Testament. The elitist group seeking its destruction and removal from society? I refer, of course, to the Jews and to their Judaizer-Gentile/Atheist/New Age fellow travelers. Yes, the Jews are enraged that the New Testament even exists.
The clamor from powerful Jewish lobby groups, rabbis, and Judaizers is at a peak now. From every quarter, the haters of Jesus' New Testament can be heard, slamming, defaming, and slandering the New Testament. To them, the New Testament is a vulgar literary production, responsible for mass murder and hatred on an unparalleled scale. It is, they allege, "bigoted, hateful, anti-Semitic, and dangerous." The New Testament must be done away with...and soon.
Did Jesus' Words Inspire the Nazi Holocaust?

According to the Zionists and many Judaizers, the words of the New Testament were the inspiration for Hitler's

Abe Foxman, head of the ADL, says the New Testament is responsible for six million Jews being slaughtered in World War II.
Nazi holocaust and for persecution of the Jews throughout the centuries. Eliminate this hateful Christian book and, Presto!, anti-Semitism will vanish forever. Of course, if the New Testament goes off the world stage, Jesus' coming as Christ and Lord will also be gone forever, many Jews reason. "Even better," say the chief rabbis: "Be gone Jesus!" The Jews who despise the New Testament hold as their own authority The Jewish Talmud. The Jewish Talmud is virulent in its despising of any and all Christian books. We read: "Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, especially the New Testament." (Shabbath 116a). This directive in the Talmud is over a millenium old, so the Jewish disdain for the New Testament is not new. But the shrill attacks of the Jews are escalating now that Judaizers like San Antonio's "Christian-Zionist" Pastor John Hagee and his ilk are around.
The ADL, a premier Jewish lobby now in bed with the FBI, the Israeli Mossad, and other Big Brother groups, is only one of the many Jewish lobby organizations targeting the New Testament. Abraham Foxman, the director of the sinister ADL, suggests in his book, Never Again? The Threat of the New Anti-Semitism, that the New Testament, because it accuses the Jews of guilt in the crucifixion of Jesus, is responsible for six million Jews dying in the holocaust during World War II.
Revealed: Why Do They Hate the New Testament?

Foxman's complaints about the New Testament's truthful account of Jewish complicity in Jesus' crucifixion gives us insight into the real reason why the Jews so despise the Word of God. The New Testament records that when the Roman Governor Pilate offered to free Jesus, finding him an innocent man, the Jewish throng would have none of it. "Then answered all the people and said, His blood be on us and on our children." (Matthew 27:25)
Jews everywhere seethe with anger when they read these words of truth found in God's Word. Rather than responding with repentance and sorrow, they arrogantly seek to rip from peoples' hands the one book that indicts the Jews for their hardness of heart: The Christian New Testament.

This book, distributed widely by the Jewish Book Club and endorsed by many so-called "Christian" theologians, demands that Christians apologize for their anti-Semitism and rewrite the New Testament to remove hundreds of passages that malign the Jews.
The Jewish Book Club recently offered to its audience a book entitled, Antisemitism in the New Testament. The author of this book, Lillian Freudmann, viciously attacks the New Testament, alleging that it is an ugly, hateful book of non-truth, saturated with anti-Semitism, written and compiled by Jew-haters. If Christians, however, will atone and de-antisemitize the New Testament—in other words, revise and eliminate scores of passages—the author sees a bright future for relationships between Jews and Christians. Simple, right? Just apologize for and erase a good part of God's Word, and all is forgiven by the Jews! Of course, the sordid and monstrous Jewish holy book, The Talmud, will keep intact its hundreds of poisonous pages in which Jesus our Lord and his teachings are so terribly maligned and blasphemed. Then and only then will the Jews let the Christians off the hook.
Freudmann also writes that in addition to removing all passages from the New Testament that offend the Jews, Judaism, the religion of the Talmud, must be accepted by the Christian Church as a "legitimate religion."
Foxman's ADL and other critics also protest the clear teachings in the New Testament that homosexuality is a sin and an affront to God. Again, they accuse the New Testament of being a bigoted, hateful document.
Christian Judaizers Attack the Bible

Even so-called "Christian" Jews, often identifying themselves as "Messianic Jews," have been known to slander the Holy Bible. Arnold Fruchtenbaum, a leading Messianic Jew, declares that the KJV Bible's teachings in the book of Daniel (Old Testament) indicating that the antichrist will be a Jew mean that the King James Version is "mistranslated." No way, he says, the glorious Jewish race could produce the antichrist. The New Testament has these same teachings. Must it also be changed to please the Jews?
Monte Judah, yet another "Christian" Jewish leader, doubts much of the New Testament is valid because it elevates the New Covenant and diminishes the importance of the Jewish Temple and what he believes is the superiority of Judaic practices. Surely, Judah suggests, the Apostle Paul's writings are off-base and just plain unholy. The Jews' Old Covenant and the primacy of the Temple must be maintained, Judah insists.
Arno Froese, head of yet another Zionist-oriented group, a Gentile who is a rabid

Zionist promoter Arno Froese says New Testament is a "Pagan Translation."
Judaizer, teaches that Jews should not be evangelized. He also attacks the King James Bible and all modern New Testaments because, he says, they are based on "pagan language," that is, they are translated from ancient Greek manuscripts. Only the Hebrew language is pure, he asserts. Therefore, the New Testament cannot be inerrant. New Versions to Replace God's True Word

To accommodate the homosexuals, the ADL and other powerful Zionist groups, as well as Judaizer critics of the New Testament, modern Bible publishers are now putting out a slew of "New Versions." Eventually, other than the KJV, which they steadily attack and remove from book shelves, there will not be a Bible found anywhere on earth that has not been edited and changed to suit and fit the tastes of the Jews and homosexuals. Entire chapters and passages are being ripped out, modified, corrected, as newer versions are produced.
It is shocking to discover how many parts of the traditional Bible are fast being discarded in the furious assault of the Zionists and Judaizers. Take for example, Jesus words in "The Lord's Prayer." In the Gospel of Luke (Chapter 11:2-4) in the traditional King James Version, the first line reads, "Our Father which art in heaven..."
Now, here is the wording in the newer NIV Version: "Father" That's it—"Father!" The four words "which art in heaven" are missing in the NIV. Why? Because the Jews and Judaism emphasize the here and now; an earthly kingdom is their fanatical goal. They could care less about any Father in a place called heaven. The Jews want riches and rewards now, so the newer Bible versions must be modified to please the Masters of Judaism. Thus, the new versions omit the "undesirable" verses and words.
Criminalizing God's Holy Bible

If the ADL and the Zionists get their way, the entire New Testament will be banned: it will be criminalized as "hate" literature. Police SWAT teams will break down doors and search citizens' apartments and homes looking for the outlawed, contraband New Testaments. Copies found will be heaped together and publicly burned. Resisters will go off in chains to Gulags. Shades of the frightening scenes depicted in the classic movie, Fahrenheit 451.
"Bible burning?" skeptics may say, "Come on Texe Marrs, you're way over the top. Ha Ha Ha. That will never happen."
Oh, it won't? Well, dear friends, it already is happening, today, in the nation of Israel. The Washington Times reported on a bonfire at a public school in the Israeli town of Beit Shemesh, where a teacher led students in destroying a New Testament that had been given a student free by a Christian missionary he encountered on a sidewalk. Local rabbis aided the police in searching for the culprit who gave the banned book to the student. If caught, he faces a long stretch in prison. It's a criminal offense in Israel to proselytize by passing out free New Testaments.
Enough is Enough
 
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Laodicea

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#54
I believe I know the Bible better then the average person who never studied the language of the Bible, yes. I have spent the last 20 years studying the scriptures so I can show myself approved of God as Paul commanded. The Bible wasn't written in English, it was written in ancient Hebrew and Greek. I have written over a dozen books, some on the subject of the language.
I knew you were thinking that cause it shows in yous posts
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#55
If you think the KJV people have no leg to stand on then give some evidence not just your own words.
Understanding the Bible does not come through study of Hebrew and Greek or studying for many years. The Pharisees had a good knowledge of the scriptures but they missed the point of the scriptures. Understanding the Bible comes through this:-
John 7:17
(17) If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,



if you think good bible translation is not based primarily in the study of hebrew and greek...then try this... translate a random page of the bible from the original languages into english without doing any research or using any knowledge you already have of hebrew and greek...just stare at the page and wait for supernatural understanding to come...
 
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ChristianTalk

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#56
if you think good bible translation is not based primarily in the study of hebrew and greek...then try this... translate a random page of the bible from the original languages into english without doing any research or using any knowledge you already have of hebrew and greek...just stare at the page and wait for supernatural understanding to come...
Good point RachelBibleStudent, I like the way you think :D

Dr.G
 
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Laodicea

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#57
if you think good bible translation is not based primarily in the study of hebrew and greek...then try this... translate a random page of the bible from the original languages into english without doing any research or using any knowledge you already have of hebrew and greek...just stare at the page and wait for supernatural understanding to come...
Now you are being silly. First why would I want to translate the Bible when it has been done, second as I said before I do not need to understand hebrew and greek to have a correct understanding of the Bible
 
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ChristianTalk

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#58
Now you are being silly. First why would I want to translate the Bible when it has been done, second as I said before I do not need to understand hebrew and greek to have a correct understanding of the Bible
The point being is that you need to have an understanding of the Greek and Hebrew and how the Bible went through transmission if your going to try and defend the KJV only belief. That's the point. That is why no serious Greek or Hebrew scholar will ever hold that your position.
 
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Laodicea

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#59
The point being is that you need to have an understanding of the Greek and Hebrew and how the Bible went through transmission if your going to try and defend the KJV only belief. That's the point. That is why no serious Greek or Hebrew scholar will ever hold that your position.

Answer this question:-Do I need to understand Hebrew and Greek to have a correct understanding of the Bible? Yes or No?