NIV TAMPERS WITH OUR SALVATION

[Consumed]

A Book?? WOW, when has the Word of God became just passages on pages??? Just A Book? Has it gotten that bad?
In the begining was the Word, and The Word was with God, The Word WAS God, John 1:1-2 ANd The Word Became Flesh John 1:14, Jesus said, " I come in the volume of the book; it is written of me" It is The Word Of God, The Power of God, The life is in the Word, the truth and the lway; salvation is in the Word, All creations is in the Word of God, God's heart, his LOVE , his WRATH, His Mercy and His Grace is in His Word. This why it is so important that it is accurate and preserved as the truth of God. It is the Sword of the Spirit, The helmet of our salvation, it is our Hope, our peace, our joy, our strength, our protection, our defence, it is the fruit of his Spirit, it is the power we have over and against all our enemies. come-on people of God, please just read the Word for yourself, search the scriptures to see if these things are true.
Hold fast to THE Revelation of the LORD, as he give it to you by his Holy Ghost, Ask him for his truth, if you really want it he will in no way turn his back. But preach not according to what man say.... search it, show you are dilengent to find the truth. search the web if you have to ( along with the Word of God. , read the comparisons, don't ask yourself ask God, ,as you go out seeking the truth the Lord will make sure that is what you find.

with all due respect cookie i think you missed the heart of her post which is to do all things for the glory oF God, and not become entangled in doctrines,texts and the like, its all good to share, i feel she was addressing the unloving aspects to debates that become personally orientated by shallow remarks made about what one thinks, we can all agree that we disagree and still do it by love, in doing so the holy spirit will do the rest. However, if our flesh is pricked by unloving and dishonoring comments, hey whats the point of it all.... do we just say well thats your problem if i offended you, im only defending His Word, that in itself is apathetic to say the least, empathy is the key,

jesus didnt directly point His finger at anyone, He addressed people as a whole, pharasies "brood of vipers" not nicodemus your a viper white washed wall tomb" even Judas, just said the one who betrays Him it would have been better if He was never born.. so when a thread comes in,its the personal degradation that should be kept out

hope faith and love, , love being the greatest, not knowledge

 

[phil36]

No, I also don't believe your salvation is based on what Bible you use, but here is the thing. The Bible says that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. So my question is could you get saved out of the Moslim Koran, or any other cultic book....no, why because faith cometh by hearing the Word of God and the Koran is not the Word of God. So my point is the more words that get taken and changed out of the Bilble the more it becomes a false gospel. And if your hearing a false gospel your not hearing the Word of God, and that is were faith comes from. Romans 10:17

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying a person can't get saved by the NIV, but if they do I believe it is because of the Holy Spirit working through the words that are accuate in them. When I first became saved I was reading out of the NKJV, but I feel the Lord showed me that the KJV is what He wanted me to read out of.

I personal have a problem reading out of a Bible that says we are slaves and bonservants of God like about all the modern Bibles Are you actualy being serious by stating this? you certainly have not done ''The KJV only club'' any fvaours with this! It makes me laugh, because that argument is a theological bias, but I am sure you know that already, If not get someone to show you what the Greek reads . The KJV says that we are servants of God. An unbeliever is a slave to sin, but a believer is a servant to righteousness.

I find the NKJV not a very god read at all, the same people who publish the KJV tried they lost the smooth literature run of the KJV, by trying their best to translate into English and keep the 'traditionalists' happy they lost it. It's still a good bible though.

The KJV has its place in history of a good translation in language history, but, that is exactly where it belongs. The KJV is not written in English, the language used is Ole English. So it really is becoming irrelevant to reader's nowadays, they are as much likely to pick up a Greek Bible as they are a KJV. That is if they are not bullied into using the King James as some church groups do, and is being advocated here by yourself and King James.

All the evidence shown here is nothing new. and scholars well versed in the textual differences have explained why the English translations differ from the KJV (Ole english, shakespearian).

I don't believe the KJV is the only ''perfect'' Translation as Kyng james is advocating here. If he is then, I would assume that he has not done his homework, the information is either from a club website or an anti anything that is not King james biased book or preacher, and lets remember if lay people like us only pretend we are experts YES people like me and you.. would be pretend experts haven't really a clue about all the manuscripts, and actually be albe to read them straight off, most Pastors don't really know either infact most of the most vocal Pastors, have come out with inaccuracies just to bolster their opinion.

One Question for you.... how do you interprit a Greek Idiom by translating word for word? MMmmm you can't! this is where the Kyng James is not exactly the best translation either.

Anyhow, whether or not someone trys and bullies people to their preferences... thats mans preferences. God does not want you to struggle with His word or make it strange to read, now most of us here can read KJV, but it just isn't a smooth read anymore due to the fact that it is a different language. Who here (unless they studied English Literature) where taught a shakespearian English?

I must admit, the 'King James only club' do sound very much like the Roamny Church, when it killed people for having a copy in their language.. you King James only guys are their modern counterparts.

Phil

 

[phil36]

Plus, 30 odd years later the NIV is still going strong.... and a new update version coming out next year... the same year as the 400th year of the KJV.

 

[Messyantic]

Greetings King Ya'akov,(After all, Yeshua's brother's name was not James until the King James translation changed it)

As someone who is often accused of putting scriptural accuracy above Grace, I understand your point of view. After all how can someone follow the one true God when the map that they use had been altered. And for those who state that they do not need the bible because the Holy Spirit leads them I would ask one question: How do you know which spirit it is when you cannot test it against the Holy word of God?

As for me, I guess you could describe me as a "glass half empty' theologian. I tend to question every view. I do not believe that I have the "truth". I do not believe that anyone has the truth in its entirety, but that we will when Yeshua/Jesus reappears.

 

[cookie39]

Plus, 30 odd years later the NIV is still going strong.... and a new update version coming out next year... the same year as the 400th year of the KJV.

And we can say the same for Satan as well, as we see He is still going strong; WOW; It's been how many years now? does it make Satan better to be serve then the one true God, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jesus didn't say He is some of the truth; He said I AM The truth. If we change the truth to a lie, then how is it still the truth? It can't be both; a little leaven- leaveneth the whole lump. maybe this is why it is so eaasy for someone who called themselves christian will settle for part truth as long as it strokes their egos, or make them feel good to think they don't need the Word of God to be saved, Because The MAJORITY ABD POPULARITY Rules,,, sound like the world not children of God our Savior; the Lord Jesus Christ.

Would it be right to Say that as long as we see everyone else do something, it is ok for us to follow them? I don't think so. The blind can not lead the Blind. The only one who can lead us is the Holy Spirit, The Word of God. This is why the Lord warns us about being tossed to and fro of every wind of doctrine. But this generation is not only doing that but also following the doctrine of man.
Let God be true and every man a lier.... you change his Word, to make him to be a lier; "The Devil is A Lier" God is truth and he will not have to stroke us to get us to learn, it takes faith, not in man, but God.
The bible say the church of God, The body of Christ will be on one accord, of one mind, of one body, Jesus being the head. It is so sad to see how people try to curse that very scripture, They exchange the truth for a lie and TRING to pass it/lie off as sound doctrine. but all they do is bring strife and vexation to the body of Christ. not one time have those who say it is this or that, when it is not the truth, say God revealed it to me by His Holy Spirit. But this MAN said it; or that Man said. they are scholars, they know the bible, not that they know or knew God, not that I seen how this person lived for the Lord and I trust God not to be decived.
Many of you need to take a step back, and ask the Lord to show you your hearts, search you, and show you if there is any wickedness in your hearts, because you choose men over God, you must want to know why?
May the Lord God, creator of heavev and earth open the eyes of the blind before they fall into the ditch with the blind that they follow, in the name of Christ Jesus...Amen

 

[HumbleSaint]

I find the NKJV not a very god read at all, the same people who publish the KJV tried they lost the smooth literature run of the KJV, by trying their best to translate into English and keep the 'traditionalists' happy they lost it. It's still a good bible though.

The KJV has its place in history of a good translation in language history, but, that is exactly where it belongs. The KJV is not written in English, the language used is Ole English. So it really is becoming irrelevant to reader's nowadays, they are as much likely to pick up a Greek Bible as they are a KJV. That is if they are not bullied into using the King James as some church groups do, and is being advocated here by yourself and King James.

All the evidence shown here is nothing new. and scholars well versed in the textual differences have explained why the English translations differ from the KJV (Ole english, shakespearian).

I don't believe the KJV is the only ''perfect'' Translation as Kyng james is advocating here. If he is then, I would assume that he has not done his homework, the information is either from a club website or an anti anything that is not King james biased book or preacher, and lets remember if lay people like us only pretend we are experts YES people like me and you.. would be pretend experts haven't really a clue about all the manuscripts, and actually be albe to read them straight off, most Pastors don't really know either infact most of the most vocal Pastors, have come out with inaccuracies just to bolster their opinion.

One Question for you.... how do you interprit a Greek Idiom by translating word for word? MMmmm you can't! this is where the Kyng James is not exactly the best translation either.

Anyhow, whether or not someone trys and bullies people to their preferences... thats mans preferences. God does not want you to struggle with His word or make it strange to read, now most of us here can read KJV, but it just isn't a smooth read anymore due to the fact that it is a different language. Who here (unless they studied English Literature) where taught a shakespearian English?

I must admit, the 'King James only club' do sound very much like the Roamny Church, when it killed people for having a copy in their language.. you King James only guys are their modern counterparts.

Phil

The problem with all these people that claim that you have to go back to the greek bible or you are just reading something that is full of errors, is the fact that you would have to raise the question; Which Greek Bible. The accurate texus receptus or the perverted Alexandrian manuscripts by Westcote and Hort.

Let me give you and example of the way the Bible is getting perverted.

KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9-- know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kngdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

Now what does "The Message" say?

Message 1 Corinthians 6:9---Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? UNjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago you wre on that list. Since then you've been cleaned up and given a fresh start by Jesus, our Messiah, and by our God present in us, the Spirit.

I shouldn't even have to ask what is wrong with this but the answer is it adds to and takes away meaning.----Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:6

Those who abuse each other, use and abuse sex. ---does not say anything about homosexuals(effeminate,abusers of themselves with mandkind) or adultry and fornication, just those who use and abuse each other and sex.

Those who abuse the earth and everything in it,---I wander if Ale Gore put that part in,

You see what has happened, people are excepting more and more perverted Bibles and are slowly turning to a completely different gospel.

If you look at the Wycliff Bible, the first Bible that was translated to Engllish in the 1380's here is what it says(The spelling in the original was realy old in the Wycliff so here is a copy of it were it has been updated a little.

Whether ye know not, that wicked men shall not wield the kingdom of God? do not ye err; neither lechers, neither men that serve mauments [neither men serving to idols], neither adulterers, neither lechers against kind, neither they that do lechery with men.

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You see same message just harder to understand. So if we can determine that we had the same thing as the KJV translated to English since the 1380's before the perverted Alexandren manuscripts came in in the 1880's (which I believe most of the modern bibles are translated from, that is 500 years of having the KJV Bible or something like it. So according to the people that think that the KJV is not the Word of God thats like saying God left the English people in the dark for 500 years. Because realy either the modern Bibles are the accurate version or the KJV because they both teach different doctrines.

What does the Bible say about God Word?---The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 12:6-7

In 1611 the KJV became know as the authorized version of the Bible. Which one of the 20 plus Bibles are the authorized version today. Remember the words of the Lord are pure.
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[Dread_Zeppelin]

Why all the KJV and NIV fights?

Now eating food that was sacrificed to idols...THATS a hot topic.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Why all the KJV and NIV fights?

Now eating food that was sacrificed to idols...THATS a hot topic.

That is hilarious. I just want to say that NIV has not undermined my faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross.

 

[miktre]

I don't recommend NIV for anyone.
#1 The copyright is held by zondervan publishing and they are owed by the same parent company 'News Corp' that also publishes porn.
Somehow I doubt their priority is getting Gods word right instead of making a buck.

Rick Warren, Purpose-Driven Pornography? - Christian Newswire

 

[phil36]

And we can say the same for Satan as well, as we see He is still going strong; WOW; It's been how many years now? does it make Satan better to be serve then the one true God, The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jesus didn't say He is some of the truth; He said I AM The truth. If we change the truth to a lie, then how is it still the truth? It can't be both; a little leaven- leaveneth the whole lump. maybe this is why it is so eaasy for someone who called themselves christian will settle for part truth as long as it strokes their egos, or make them feel good to think they don't need the Word of God to be saved, Because The MAJORITY ABD POPULARITY Rules,,, sound like the world not children of God our Savior; the Lord Jesus Christ.

Would it be right to Say that as long as we see everyone else do something, it is ok for us to follow them? I don't think so. The blind can not lead the Blind. The only one who can lead us is the Holy Spirit, The Word of God. This is why the Lord warns us about being tossed to and fro of every wind of doctrine. But this generation is not only doing that but also following the doctrine of man.
Let God be true and every man a lier.... you change his Word, to make him to be a lier; "The Devil is A Lier" God is truth and he will not have to stroke us to get us to learn, it takes faith, not in man, but God.
The bible say the church of God, The body of Christ will be on one accord, of one mind, of one body, Jesus being the head. It is so sad to see how people try to curse that very scripture, They exchange the truth for a lie and TRING to pass it/lie off as sound doctrine. but all they do is bring strife and vexation to the body of Christ. not one time have those who say it is this or that, when it is not the truth, say God revealed it to me by His Holy Spirit. But this MAN said it; or that Man said. they are scholars, they know the bible, not that they know or knew God, not that I seen how this person lived for the Lord and I trust God not to be decived.
Many of you need to take a step back, and ask the Lord to show you your hearts, search you, and show you if there is any wickedness in your hearts, because you choose men over God, you must want to know why?
May the Lord God, creator of heavev and earth open the eyes of the blind before they fall into the ditch with the blind that they follow, in the name of Christ Jesus...Amen

I am not too sure what your point really is cookie?? could you clarify please.

As I have stated numerous times and its getting tiring and boring now, I like the KJV, just don't really use it. I use a modern Translation that as far as Scholars reackon is closer to the original manuscripts.

You say many of us need to step back and check our hearts? I don't really get this part. we are disussing 'The King James only Club'' I ma not sure if you are apart of that group, who are trying to force people to read ONLY the King James?

And are we who read modern translations blind? I think not.

Phil

 

[phil36]

The problem with all these people that claim that you have to go back to the greek bible or you are just reading something that is full of errors, is the fact that you would have to raise the question; Which Greek Bible. The accurate texus receptus or the perverted Alexandrian manuscripts by Westcote and Hort.

Let me give you and example of the way the Bible is getting perverted.

KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9-- know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kngdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

Now what does "The Message" say?

Message 1 Corinthians 6:9---Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? UNjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago you wre on that list. Since then you've been cleaned up and given a fresh start by Jesus, our Messiah, and by our God present in us, the Spirit.

I shouldn't even have to ask what is wrong with this but the answer is it adds to and takes away meaning.----Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:6

Those who abuse each other, use and abuse sex. ---does not say anything about homosexuals(effeminate,abusers of themselves with mandkind) or adultry and fornication, just those who use and abuse each other and sex.

Those who abuse the earth and everything in it,---I wander if Ale Gore put that part in,

You see what has happened, people are excepting more and more perverted Bibles and are slowly turning to a completely different gospel.

If you look at the Wycliff Bible, the first Bible that was translated to Engllish in the 1380's here is what it says(The spelling in the original was realy old in the Wycliff so here is a copy of it were it has been updated a little.

Whether ye know not, that wicked men shall not wield the kingdom of God? do not ye err; neither lechers, neither men that serve mauments [neither men serving to idols], neither adulterers, neither lechers against kind, neither they that do lechery with men.

​

You see same message just harder to understand. So if we can determine that we had the same thing as the KJV translated to English since the 1380's before the perverted Alexandren manuscripts came in in the 1880's (which I believe most of the modern bibles are translated from, that is 500 years of having the KJV Bible or something like it. So according to the people that think that the KJV is not the Word of God thats like saying God left the English people in the dark for 500 years. Because realy either the modern Bibles are the accurate version or the KJV because they both teach different doctrines.

What does the Bible say about God Word?---The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 12:6-7

In 1611 the KJV became know as the authorized version of the Bible. Which one of the 20 plus Bibles are the authorized version today. Remember the words of the Lord are pure.
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Hi Humble,
There is a serious flaw in your reasoning/logic. The Message is not the NIV for starters, secondly the Message comes under the category of a paraphrase. This is where the auther/translator takes a phrase and expresses the meanning in 'plain language'. However, where you most definately are going wrong is the fact that these are for reading on trains, on a flight for easy reading.

I love my New Living translation, where it mixes 'thought for thought' for expression and what a true gift it is, wow you guys are missing out on the joys of reading. But For study I will use my ESV, and I will use others to cross reference.

So your above post holds no water at all.

I love how all the King james only club members use the ''Its the Authorized version' Eh? what planet are you on, it was authorized by the King of England thats all. That comment really made me laugh, So now you are telling me The 'King James only club' relies on the Authority of man for Truth?

Phil

 

[Consumed]

You all can call it what you want, matbe my understanding of Love is different from your's. in saying that I do love and that is why I speak the truth. I am not blind, so neither will I send the blind into a fire, just for the world's veiw of Love. if I am not sick and tired of hearing that the truth is hatred, Lord My God I beg you to show these people what true love is. it is not kissing-up to another, it is not to pacify the sinner/blind, it is not to tell a lie or agree to a lie... awwwe you know I will not disagree with you because I love you, the devil is a lie! furthest from the truth.... the world love it's own and of us they will not receive. So I give God all the Glory for he ALONE IS WORTHY.

with all love and respect cookie you need to meditate on Phillipians 2:1-5 and maybe you could see it more clearly before making that statement, we can lose what needs be said by how we say it, but to just tear down doesnt build up, just leaves a pile of rubble.

1cor13 = dont be so heavenly minded that leaves one so earthly no good
God is love

 

[Gabriel777]

That is hilarious. I just want to say that NIV has not undermined my faith in Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross.

yes amen. My NIV bible has filled me with conviction from time to time and the message reaches my heart. If you have to fight about which version is better or whatever, how empty can you be? Seriously. They are being manipulated by the devil.

 

[miktre]

If you have to fight about which version is better or whatever, how empty can you be? Seriously.

We should just blindly consume whatever they put out there for us? Should not even discuss it or question it? If you find gross errors in it and and stand against it then you are empty?

 

[Gabriel777]

We should just blindly consume whatever they put out there for us? Should not even discuss it or question it? If you find gross errors in it and and stand against it then you are empty?

No english version is perfect and the core message is still intact so why bother? Jesus promised that the Word will be preserved and it still has. The ones you should worry about are the preachers TWISTING the scriptures and leading people astray into D A M N ation with false doctrines. If you found a homeless guy on the street and the bible you are holding is NIV, would you preach the gospel and provide that bible for him?



wow i cant say D A M N ation? thats weird.

 

[phil36]

No english version is perfect and the core message is still intact so why bother? Jesus promised that the Word will be preserved and it still has. The ones you should worry about are the preachers TWISTING the scriptures and leading people astray into D A M N ation with false doctrines. If you found a homeless guy on the street and the bible you are holding is NIV, would you preach the gospel and provide that bible for him?



wow i cant say D A M N ation? thats weird.

Well, I for one would'nt hesitate in giving them an NIV bible and your right Gabriel, the biggest danger of all is scripture twisting by preachers to suit their needs, and also on a generation or 2 of Christians who pretend to know alot yet don't even read their bibles.

Phil

 

[miktre]

No english version is perfect and the core message is still intact so why bother? Jesus promised that the Word will be preserved and it still has. The ones you should worry about are the preachers TWISTING the scriptures and leading people astray into D A M N ation with false doctrines. If you found a homeless guy on the street and the bible you are holding is NIV, would you preach the gospel and provide that bible for him?



wow i cant say D A M N ation? thats weird.

So why bother? We just read any ole thing and take mens word for it? We should worry about preachers twisting the word and not the translators? If you found a homeless guy on the street listening to a preacher preach that Christ saves yet you knew that other doctrines the preacher taught were false, then would you interrupt??

Look, theres a time and place for everything. I would suppose a the NIV issue concerns those that are in the meat of the word and have made it past the milk. You see many who never get to the meat of the word and prefer to stay in the milk.



12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

We should just blindly consume whatever they put out there for us? Should not even discuss it or question it? If you find gross errors in it and and stand against it then you are empty?

The argument against the NIV is not one of gross error, but of difference from the KJV. The argument is that there are words from the KJV that are changed or left out in the NIV. At issue is the use of the Nestle text rather than the Textus Recepticus, as well as the difference between word-for-word and dynamic equivilency. I think this is very similar for the argument made against translating the Bible into the common languages when the Latin Vulgate was "perfectly adequate".

 

[livingbygrace]

I have always believed that if I repent of my sin and ask Christ into my life as Lord and Saviour, and trust this has been done, I am saved. Does the NIV not allow for that?

I don't believe we need to get hung up about every single word in every verse of the Bible. Surely the important thing is to trust in and rely on the Spirit to show us the truth of God's word as we read it. I have confidence in the Spirit that he can bring me to see what I need, without having to learn Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic and read the older manuscripts in these languages

 

[Cleante]

The problem with all these people that claim that you have to go back to the greek bible or you are just reading something that is full of errors, is the fact that you would have to raise the question; Which Greek Bible. The accurate texus receptus or the perverted Alexandrian manuscripts by Westcote and Hort.

Let me give you and example of the way the Bible is getting perverted.

KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9-- know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kngdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.

Now what does "The Message" say?

Message 1 Corinthians 6:9---Don't you realize that this is not the way to live? UNjust people who don't care about God will not be joining in his kingdom. Those who use and abuse each other, use and abuse sex, use and abuse the earth and everything in it, don't qualify as citizens in God's kingdom. A number of you know from experience what I'm talking about, for not so long ago you wre on that list. Since then you've been cleaned up and given a fresh start by Jesus, our Messiah, and by our God present in us, the Spirit.

I shouldn't even have to ask what is wrong with this but the answer is it adds to and takes away meaning.----Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Proverbs 30:6

Those who abuse each other, use and abuse sex. ---does not say anything about homosexuals(effeminate,abusers of themselves with mandkind) or adultry and fornication, just those who use and abuse each other and sex.

Those who abuse the earth and everything in it,---I wander if Ale Gore put that part in,

You see what has happened, people are excepting more and more perverted Bibles and are slowly turning to a completely different gospel.

If you look at the Wycliff Bible, the first Bible that was translated to Engllish in the 1380's here is what it says(The spelling in the original was realy old in the Wycliff so here is a copy of it were it has been updated a little.

Whether ye know not, that wicked men shall not wield the kingdom of God? do not ye err; neither lechers, neither men that serve mauments [neither men serving to idols], neither adulterers, neither lechers against kind, neither they that do lechery with men.

​

You see same message just harder to understand. So if we can determine that we had the same thing as the KJV translated to English since the 1380's before the perverted Alexandren manuscripts came in in the 1880's (which I believe most of the modern bibles are translated from, that is 500 years of having the KJV Bible or something like it. So according to the people that think that the KJV is not the Word of God thats like saying God left the English people in the dark for 500 years. Because realy either the modern Bibles are the accurate version or the KJV because they both teach different doctrines.

What does the Bible say about God Word?---The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Psalm 12:6-7

In 1611 the KJV became know as the authorized version of the Bible. Which one of the 20 plus Bibles are the authorized version today. Remember the words of the Lord are pure.
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By Greek bible I am not speaking of the so called "perverted" manuscripts. Have you heard of the Codex Sinaiticus? I suggest you check it out. I don't mean to be biased, but any English translation is not going to be 100% accurate. Language is not words but ideas.

You cannot translate ideas without injecting your own biases into it. For example, Martin Luther is famous for his justification by faith alone translation. Well, in that bible verse in the Codex Sinaiticus, the authors do not use the greek word for alone. It is absent.



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Codex Sinaiticus is one of the most important books in the world. Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. Its heavily corrected text is of outstanding importance for the history of the Bible and the manuscript – the oldest substantial book to survive Antiquity – is of supreme importance for the history of the book.

Codex Sinaiticus is generally dated to the fourth century, and sometimes more precisely to the middle of that century. This is based on study of the handwriting, known as palaeographical analysis. Only one other nearly complete manuscript of the Christian Bible – Codex Vaticanus (kept in the Vatican Library in Rome) – is of a similarly early date. The only manuscripts of Christian scripture that are definitely of an earlier date than Codex Sinaiticus contain small portions of the text of the Bible.