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you should do your homework a little more instead of picking up the first thing that look right or sound right, ( no offence; it's all love)
New International Version, NIV (1978) – The New York Bible Society sponsored this translation of the Bible. A committee was formed to search worldwide for Bible scholars from colleges, universities and seminaries that would represent varied backgrounds and denominations. Each book of the Bible was assigned to a different team of scholars, who then used the best available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts to do the actual translation. Additional committees checked and re-checked the translations for accuracy as well as understandability. This combination of accuracy and readability has propelled the NIV to the Number 2 spot in Bible sales behind the KJV. Zondervan Publishing of Grand Rapids, Michigan owns the rights to the NIV Bible.
Now I wonder, where was God; The Holy Spirit in the translation.
hmmm, so we go to colleges, universites, and seminars for the word now? just a questions! Oh and " the Best AVAILABLE; not all was available, Not the originals; so that answers why all the mistakes. Hey, if it works for you, hey; go for it. but it is to know the true history before saying that it is this and that. it is not nice to give false information.
and that being said; I hope and pray that what ever version anyone use they are for the sake of the Gospel of the truth that is in Christ Jesus. and will not lead anyone in deception because a majority rules type of thing and it is not that God rules. this I pray in the name of Christ Jesus.
So another question, When has telling the truth is no longer Love in the church? Oh right, silly me... it was when they crucified Christ Jesus for speaking the truth in love. Bot did they say he was not edifiying God... all that beating on people, calling people ugly names, ha, ihe must really had it coming, He wouldn't never made all those people mad at him, and wanted to kill him.
if he would have just agreed with them; seeing the majority didn't agree with him... Praise God; people not liking we you say doesn't have nothing to do with our salvation and it is mostly seen that they will stone you for the truth. I would have thought a small amont of us was on the wrong side; this is american church people; way of crucifing the messangers. sound just like the people of old, Same devils, just different people.
New International Version, NIV (1978) – The New York Bible Society sponsored this translation of the Bible. A committee was formed to search worldwide for Bible scholars from colleges, universities and seminaries that would represent varied backgrounds and denominations. Each book of the Bible was assigned to a different team of scholars, who then used the best available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts to do the actual translation. Additional committees checked and re-checked the translations for accuracy as well as understandability. This combination of accuracy and readability has propelled the NIV to the Number 2 spot in Bible sales behind the KJV. Zondervan Publishing of Grand Rapids, Michigan owns the rights to the NIV Bible.
Now I wonder, where was God; The Holy Spirit in the translation.
hmmm, so we go to colleges, universites, and seminars for the word now? just a questions! Oh and " the Best AVAILABLE; not all was available, Not the originals; so that answers why all the mistakes. Hey, if it works for you, hey; go for it. but it is to know the true history before saying that it is this and that. it is not nice to give false information.
and that being said; I hope and pray that what ever version anyone use they are for the sake of the Gospel of the truth that is in Christ Jesus. and will not lead anyone in deception because a majority rules type of thing and it is not that God rules. this I pray in the name of Christ Jesus.
So another question, When has telling the truth is no longer Love in the church? Oh right, silly me... it was when they crucified Christ Jesus for speaking the truth in love. Bot did they say he was not edifiying God... all that beating on people, calling people ugly names, ha, ihe must really had it coming, He wouldn't never made all those people mad at him, and wanted to kill him.
if he would have just agreed with them; seeing the majority didn't agree with him... Praise God; people not liking we you say doesn't have nothing to do with our salvation and it is mostly seen that they will stone you for the truth. I would have thought a small amont of us was on the wrong side; this is american church people; way of crucifing the messangers. sound just like the people of old, Same devils, just different people.
C
Php 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Php 2:2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Php 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
with so much knowledge of scriputure given here as is with most posts overall yet with so little love shown for one another it drowns out the message of the Gospel.
iv read the "stand on the Word/your convictions/world hates truth etc" post so as people can justify themselves with all this knowledge but really, is it the knowledge of Christ Jesus or the tree of knowledge that its coming from, i might not know greek writings or hebrew, doctrines of calvin and co yet it is of no consequence to learn any of it as when i see it used to puff up and not given as teachings in love the sound of those cymbals and brass just get louder
Its all about Jesus-
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
who did not come to condemn but save. i know "be approved by the Word" just remember the Word is Jesus, let His mind be???where,
in you
Hi Kyng James,
I know your agenda is to try and show us all what a devilish book it is. However, don't you think there are plenty of books out there written by Scholars who know what they are talking about. Maybe I am mistaken but you are not one of these scholars are you?
It is a well known fact why the NIV differs from the King James, or why others translate differently. the fact is modern translations do have better scholarship concerning manuscripts etc of earlier times, the ''King James only club' likes to keep the King James for certain doctrinal issues that suit their purposes. pretty much why most cults will only use King James 'only', as the Newer Translations, reflect more accurately of what is being said by the writer.'
As I have said before, I am not against the KJV, but I am against traditionalists like your self, who arrogantly ignore the facts. The King James only club are a shadow of the ROME church who put to death those who dared to have their own bible and understand it for themselves
Phil
I know your agenda is to try and show us all what a devilish book it is. However, don't you think there are plenty of books out there written by Scholars who know what they are talking about. Maybe I am mistaken but you are not one of these scholars are you?
It is a well known fact why the NIV differs from the King James, or why others translate differently. the fact is modern translations do have better scholarship concerning manuscripts etc of earlier times, the ''King James only club' likes to keep the King James for certain doctrinal issues that suit their purposes. pretty much why most cults will only use King James 'only', as the Newer Translations, reflect more accurately of what is being said by the writer.'
As I have said before, I am not against the KJV, but I am against traditionalists like your self, who arrogantly ignore the facts. The King James only club are a shadow of the ROME church who put to death those who dared to have their own bible and understand it for themselves
Phil
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hey kyng,
I agree with you completely. the niv is the worst bible version ever. so bad, I'm not sure about calling it a bible version!
I read through all these comments and I can see where everyone is coming from, but I think most of you are misguided. I started my studies long ago, and one of the 1st things I prayed about was which version should I go with...
God brought it all to me!! the KJV is the only one that is a word for word translation out there. yes from the hebrew and greek. therefore, the niv cannot be the most accurate version out there. the niv left so many things out, it's like taking 1st and 2nd Peter outta the KJV. plus, look at the people who helped in this version, lesbians who say that God is an abusive Father, and that we don't need any theory of atonement, or people hanging from crosses and stuff with blood dripping and all. yes, these are quotes from a couple of women who took part in the niv.
they are members of the world council of churches.
if you start off with the wrong bible, and they are many of them out there, how will you know the truth? most of you are making the work kyng is doing to sound trivial. nothing is trivial. everything starts off small and grows into something bigger. so wouldn't you want things to be right from the beginning?
it shows great love and concern to press for the truth in every detail.
good job kyng!!!
blake
I agree with you completely. the niv is the worst bible version ever. so bad, I'm not sure about calling it a bible version!
I read through all these comments and I can see where everyone is coming from, but I think most of you are misguided. I started my studies long ago, and one of the 1st things I prayed about was which version should I go with...
God brought it all to me!! the KJV is the only one that is a word for word translation out there. yes from the hebrew and greek. therefore, the niv cannot be the most accurate version out there. the niv left so many things out, it's like taking 1st and 2nd Peter outta the KJV. plus, look at the people who helped in this version, lesbians who say that God is an abusive Father, and that we don't need any theory of atonement, or people hanging from crosses and stuff with blood dripping and all. yes, these are quotes from a couple of women who took part in the niv.
they are members of the world council of churches.
if you start off with the wrong bible, and they are many of them out there, how will you know the truth? most of you are making the work kyng is doing to sound trivial. nothing is trivial. everything starts off small and grows into something bigger. so wouldn't you want things to be right from the beginning?
it shows great love and concern to press for the truth in every detail.
good job kyng!!!
blake
I have answered you ill informed post above.
If you would like to seek truth and not just doctrinal whims, and lies do some research first and atleast back up your claims with TRUTH!
Here is a link to NIV translators ansering questions to some of your nonsene, it is only 78 pages so a very small read
: http://www.biblica.com/niv/accuracy/NIV_AccuracyDefined.pdf Phil
Lord let my Heart be true and not bring dissension, Let your Spirit, your Word, your Truth speak to the Heart of all involved.
Wasn't the King James translation by men? How do we know that the Spirit was in them and not in those who translate the other translations? I know there are multiple translations of the King James itself. I personally preach from a NKJV study bible and I still get beaten against by KJV only people. I have gotten the "lesson" that God translates down through KJV. I say lets all learn Greek and Hebrew and study to show ourselves workman approved. Another thing to think about is who is in control? God or Man? Man corrupts both using KJV and NIV. Why do so many cults use the KJV? Another point to think about? How does this edify the body, How does this edify God?
What will be held accountable to? Our faith in Jesus Christ (the whole depart from me for I never knew you found in Matt.), (Romans 10:,9,10 about believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth)(Galations 5:22 What fruits are you producing?)
I know that I read from the Bible. It is God's Holy word. I study it in multiple translations, I read what the true authorities on greek and hebrew speak in regards to the original words. I know rightly so that chapters and verses where not in the original text but were added to assist in finding scripture. I know that we are to rightly divide the word of God (as Paul taught to timothy). Before we bash each other over the translations, errors, and such make sure we are on the right page. I have seen some use KJV to "direct" people of the church to only wear suits in church (women to wear dresses) and to my understanding this was not original apparel fasion in Jesus day. I read from KJV, NKJV, and other multiple translations (I use biblegateway website for the translations I do not personally have in my possession or on my computer cd's) But if we want to be legalistic over all, Lets all go back to Greek and Hebrew on scrolls.
Lets look at 2 Tim. 2:14
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. (KJV)
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear. (ASV)
Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.(NIV)
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. (ESV)
If you continue reading in these translations it also says to rightly handle the Word of God. I ask you to pray and read the whole chapter, in fact Just read 2 Timothy and see what God speaks to you.
Wasn't the King James translation by men? How do we know that the Spirit was in them and not in those who translate the other translations? I know there are multiple translations of the King James itself. I personally preach from a NKJV study bible and I still get beaten against by KJV only people. I have gotten the "lesson" that God translates down through KJV. I say lets all learn Greek and Hebrew and study to show ourselves workman approved. Another thing to think about is who is in control? God or Man? Man corrupts both using KJV and NIV. Why do so many cults use the KJV? Another point to think about? How does this edify the body, How does this edify God?
What will be held accountable to? Our faith in Jesus Christ (the whole depart from me for I never knew you found in Matt.), (Romans 10:,9,10 about believing in your heart and confessing with your mouth)(Galations 5:22 What fruits are you producing?)
I know that I read from the Bible. It is God's Holy word. I study it in multiple translations, I read what the true authorities on greek and hebrew speak in regards to the original words. I know rightly so that chapters and verses where not in the original text but were added to assist in finding scripture. I know that we are to rightly divide the word of God (as Paul taught to timothy). Before we bash each other over the translations, errors, and such make sure we are on the right page. I have seen some use KJV to "direct" people of the church to only wear suits in church (women to wear dresses) and to my understanding this was not original apparel fasion in Jesus day. I read from KJV, NKJV, and other multiple translations (I use biblegateway website for the translations I do not personally have in my possession or on my computer cd's) But if we want to be legalistic over all, Lets all go back to Greek and Hebrew on scrolls.
Lets look at 2 Tim. 2:14
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. (KJV)
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they strive not about words, to no profit, to the subverting of them that hear. (ASV)
Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.(NIV)
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. (ESV)
If you continue reading in these translations it also says to rightly handle the Word of God. I ask you to pray and read the whole chapter, in fact Just read 2 Timothy and see what God speaks to you.
You all can call it what you want, matbe my understanding of Love is different from your's. in saying that I do love and that is why I speak the truth. I am not blind, so neither will I send the blind into a fire, just for the world's veiw of Love. if I am not sick and tired of hearing that the truth is hatred, Lord My God I beg you to show these people what true love is. it is not kissing-up to another, it is not to pacify the sinner/blind, it is not to tell a lie or agree to a lie... awwwe you know I will not disagree with you because I love you, the devil is a lie! furthest from the truth.... the world love it's own and of us they will not receive. So I give God all the Glory for he ALONE IS WORTHY.
that is what the Cross of Christ is, a stumbling block, and until I here someone who know God tell me that telling the truth is hatred, and have scripture to back it up and not another man, then I will repent, but I have nothing to repent of for I have no conviction of the Lord my God, or is precious Holy Spirit. you see you all hear this so much from man to you all have become blind to the truth. I will not back down from the truth of God for noone, absolutly noone. I will not be toss by every wind of doctrine, not the word according to man nor devils. only one Word, that is Christ Jesus our saviour, our God. see you all will not make me think there is no better way to tell the truth other that the Way Christ did it, if we want to sit down and talk about it we can, or else I will shout it from the mountain tops. CRY OUT LOUD, " SPARE NOT "!! ND TELL MY PEOPLE OF THERE SINS< SAId THE LORD THY GOD, I will shout it, if the truth stings, hey it is the Word of God, it stings. it is a stumbling block, to all who reject it. please read your bibles and stop listening to how the world say we are to talk to some one learn what the truth of what true love is according to the word of God, I will be happy to talk about it with anyone.
H
I appreaciate your enthusiasm king_james. I am probably about as pro-King James only as you are, but I must say, you never give up. I can show some people proof after proof that the modern bibles are corrupted and they don't seem to budge. I tend to kind of give up on them being convicted of what I see, but you just keep right on. Keep it up.
I
Seriously people, what does arguing about versions really have to do with anything?
We should be edifying one another.
Our salvation is NOT dependant on which bible version we read (as the title of this thread my subtly suggest).
Our salvation does not lie in th pages of a book... it's in our PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ.
If you don't have one, no book can save you...KJV or not.
I really don't see how this is relevant. God isn't going to separate us upon arrival in heaven, based on our bible of choice. There isn't going to be an entry line for 'KJV ONLY' reader and another one for 'ALL OTHER VERSION' readers.
It doesn't matter. If we spent more time focusing on living Godly lives instead of condemning people for their bible choice, we might actually make a difference.
It should also be noted, that none of the claims against the NIV here can actually be founded. There are VERY BIG loopholes, and there are also a LOT of areas where KJV is much weaker than other versions, if it really wants to be argued (it's my job to know this), but at the end of the day... IT'S IRRELEVANT, so let's stop arguing hey?
I really don't think it's helpful to portray the 'READ THE KJV ONLY OR YOU'RE GOING TO HELL' message on these forums, because a) it simply isn't true and b) it leads to all sort of uneccassary arguments and can confuse new believers.
Thanks
We should be edifying one another.
Our salvation is NOT dependant on which bible version we read (as the title of this thread my subtly suggest).
Our salvation does not lie in th pages of a book... it's in our PERSONAL relationship with Jesus Christ.
If you don't have one, no book can save you...KJV or not.
I really don't see how this is relevant. God isn't going to separate us upon arrival in heaven, based on our bible of choice. There isn't going to be an entry line for 'KJV ONLY' reader and another one for 'ALL OTHER VERSION' readers.
It doesn't matter. If we spent more time focusing on living Godly lives instead of condemning people for their bible choice, we might actually make a difference.
It should also be noted, that none of the claims against the NIV here can actually be founded. There are VERY BIG loopholes, and there are also a LOT of areas where KJV is much weaker than other versions, if it really wants to be argued (it's my job to know this), but at the end of the day... IT'S IRRELEVANT, so let's stop arguing hey?
I really don't think it's helpful to portray the 'READ THE KJV ONLY OR YOU'RE GOING TO HELL' message on these forums, because a) it simply isn't true and b) it leads to all sort of uneccassary arguments and can confuse new believers.
Thanks
H
No, I also don't believe your salvation is based on what Bible you use, but here is the thing. The Bible says that faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. So my question is could you get saved out of the Moslim Koran, or any other cultic book....no, why because faith cometh by hearing the Word of God and the Koran is not the Word of God. So my point is the more words that get taken and changed out of the Bilble the more it becomes a false gospel. And if your hearing a false gospel your not hearing the Word of God, and that is were faith comes from. Romans 10:17
Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying a person can't get saved by the NIV, but if they do I believe it is because of the Holy Spirit working through the words that are accuate in them. When I first became saved I was reading out of the NKJV, but I feel the Lord showed me that the KJV is what He wanted me to read out of.
I personal have a problem reading out of a Bible that says we are slaves and bonservants of God like about all the modern Bibles. The KJV says that we are servants of God. An unbeliever is a slave to sin, but a believer is a servant to righteousness.
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A Book?? WOW, when has the Word of God became just passages on pages??? Just A Book? Has it gotten that bad?
In the begining was the Word, and The Word was with God, The Word WAS God, John 1:1-2 ANd The Word Became Flesh John 1:14, Jesus said, " I come in the volume of the book; it is written of me" It is The Word Of God, The Power of God, The life is in the Word, the truth and the lway; salvation is in the Word, All creations is in the Word of God, God's heart, his LOVE , his WRATH, His Mercy and His Grace is in His Word. This why it is so important that it is accurate and preserved as the truth of God. It is the Sword of the Spirit, The helmet of our salvation, it is our Hope, our peace, our joy, our strength, our protection, our defence, it is the fruit of his Spirit, it is the power we have over and against all our enemies. come-on people of God, please just read the Word for yourself, search the scriptures to see if these things are true.
Hold fast to THE Revelation of the LORD, as he give it to you by his Holy Ghost, Ask him for his truth, if you really want it he will in no way turn his back. But preach not according to what man say.... search it, show you are dilengent to find the truth. search the web if you have to ( along with the Word of God. , read the comparisons, don't ask yourself ask God, ,as you go out seeking the truth the Lord will make sure that is what you find.
In the begining was the Word, and The Word was with God, The Word WAS God, John 1:1-2 ANd The Word Became Flesh John 1:14, Jesus said, " I come in the volume of the book; it is written of me" It is The Word Of God, The Power of God, The life is in the Word, the truth and the lway; salvation is in the Word, All creations is in the Word of God, God's heart, his LOVE , his WRATH, His Mercy and His Grace is in His Word. This why it is so important that it is accurate and preserved as the truth of God. It is the Sword of the Spirit, The helmet of our salvation, it is our Hope, our peace, our joy, our strength, our protection, our defence, it is the fruit of his Spirit, it is the power we have over and against all our enemies. come-on people of God, please just read the Word for yourself, search the scriptures to see if these things are true.
Hold fast to THE Revelation of the LORD, as he give it to you by his Holy Ghost, Ask him for his truth, if you really want it he will in no way turn his back. But preach not according to what man say.... search it, show you are dilengent to find the truth. search the web if you have to ( along with the Word of God. , read the comparisons, don't ask yourself ask God, ,as you go out seeking the truth the Lord will make sure that is what you find.