"No Creed But the Bible"

[preacher4truth]

They arent readily accessible confessions. I mean London 1689? Westminster?

Christians are worldwide not just a small subset in London or westminister back in the 1680s. If theres a document its in the Bible itself...its only because so many people DONT bother to read the Bible that they had to make these creeds as shorthand.

What about Stephens confession before he was matryed. He was confessing what he believed and he did a pretty good summary. Check out acts chapter 7.

Good point on Stephen.

The Confessions are readily accessible and they are still used and in print. Many churches still teach from them.

 

[p_rehbein]

You know why we fail to impose those? because the churches dont want to lose 90% of their members.

The church folks couldnt care less what the bible says, thats why! Feminism and western modern culture trumps the Bible and its interpreted in that light.

I cant remember who it was but some guy whose dudebro card I confiscated recently for using the word misogynistic patriarchy on this forum, can you imagine how people like him would react if churches did all those things you listed Paul teaching? They would bounce and quick.
Same with modern women, you best believe churches would lose MOST of their members. Granted the few and faithful would obviously stay, there is always a REMNANT. God always keeps a remnant. The amish for example deal kind of similar to that, and they got female members, some even joined willingly! But for the majority, thats a no no!

Thats a lost cause, its gonna go more feminism, not less.
It is what it is.

But my question to you rehbein is: WHAT do you suggest we do? Just throw it all out, or go back to it?

thank you for being honest. You are the first here to honestly answer the questions........

Personally, I don't care what you teach.........I am only concerned with what my church teaches, and as long as they teach the Gospel of Christ, and stay away from teaching the traditions of man as if they were the doctrine of God........we will be just fine.

I suggest that all congregations teach the Gospel of Christ............and do away with their denominational ideologies...........but, that's just me..............

JUST PREACH JESUS UNTIL JESUS COMES AGAIN. One CAN NOT go wrong doing that.

 

[p_rehbein]

For the record, EVERY SINGLE PERSON who says and believes in "No Creed But The Bible" (or anything similar) are not thinking deeply or accurately at all.

Every single one of you write your own "Confession of Faith" on here daily, and most, if not all who adhere to the above creed are in grave error concerning the Gospel and Scripture. That is a fact.

So, that said, your "No Creed But The Bible" stance is a total misnomer and is thus a false statement.

If you live by a creed rather than the Gospel of Christ, well, I suppose you would make an ignorant statement like that. Unless, of course, you are all knowing and actually KNOWS WHAT EVERY SINGLE PERSON says or believes.

You called the Gospel of Christ sentimental and said id does NOT reflect the real truth or what the Gospel is.............So, what Gospel is it that you are bringing to this Forum? You stress the importance of having a creed and belittle the Gospel of Christ?

If you had half the understanding of Scripture you pretend to, you would know just how silly your comments are.

There is nothing strawman about asserting that the Gospel of Christ TRUMPS all creeds, incantations, mumbo jumbo stuff!
There is nothing strawman about asserting that man (and his denominational ideology) will NEVER replace Jesus Christ and His Gospel............but, shoot, you keep trying.

You managed to ignore the reference to the Scriptures about women, and I'm not surprised. Such is the way with such as you.

The Catholics are really good at creeds, incantations and such, mayhaps you should join up with them...........

 

[FollowHisSteps]

From the article of the same title:

"Liberal theology steers clear of “systematic” theology, seeing it as manmade. But in doing so, liberal theology steers clear of apostolic teaching. When Paul speaks of the “deposit” of gospel teaching, for example, he’s referencing a standard, a proper conception of the message of Christ (2 Tim. 1:13–14). When he speaks of “another Jesus” that unsound teachers preach, he’s referencing the need for a right understanding of Jesus—a normative understanding (2 Cor. 11:4)."

More here: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/no-creed-bible-subverts/

Please take time to read the article.

It is my hope and prayer that some of you who have gone astray from sound doctrine, and those who may be being led astray would be brought to sound doctrine, brought back to sound doctrine, endure the sound doctrine given; 2 Timothy 4:1-4, and then stand in the defense of the faith (the system of theological teaching; Jude 4; Philippians 1:7; 16) given once to the saints.

It is also my hope and prayer that all would look into the importance of the *Confessions of Faith and why these were written (to give the church a statement that declares "confesses" in systematic form what the Scriptures teach). These are no different in objective than any Statement of Faith on a church website or local church except for the fact the Confessions are generally more comprehensive.

No, these are not Scripture, are not to replace Scripture, but serve as a readily accessible document which plainly lays out the teachings of Scripture. They are a valuable tool in the defense of truth.

Grace and peace to you all.

(*I used the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith as an example of a sound confession.)

Language is but summaries of ideas, propositions to varying degrees.

No creed but the bible subverts the living word of God in the believers heart.
Through our communion with Jesus, and His work in our lives the words of scripture come alive and have meaning.

Creeds, expressions, testimonies are the word of God flowing out from His people in their time, in their cultural
context and are a holy expression of praise to the King.

Creeds often fail when the context changes, and a different emphasis is more appropriate.
But a heart song to Christ is a beautiful thing, and worthy of encouragement.

Those who love the people of God will also love their expressions of praise, so I would question the
judgement of those who dismiss the heart and expression of our brothers and sisters of the past.

 

[preacher4truth]

Creeds often fail when the context changes, and a different emphasis is more appropriate.
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I haven't witnessed the above in reading any of the Creeds. Creeds express systematically the truths of God's word, and these truths don't change with culture.

 

[SIMON55]

thank you for being honest. You are the first here to honestly answer the questions........

Personally, I don't care what you teach.........I am only concerned with what my church teaches, and as long as they teach the Gospel of Christ, and stay away from teaching the traditions of man as if they were the doctrine of God........we will be just fine.

I suggest that all congregations teach the Gospel of Christ............and do away with their denominational ideologies...........but, that's just me..............

JUST PREACH JESUS UNTIL JESUS COMES AGAIN. One CAN NOT go wrong doing that.

The focused subject of your expressed concern of the "denominational Ideologies"
Had to manifest ....
Because of being.....
Prophetically Predetermined
To fulfill the apostate doctrines of men spirit of deception......
Obviously something within in your comprehensive awareness.😀
Big $ in apostacies.

 

[Lanolin]

The point with stephen is that he didnt confess a rehearsed creed. He spoke what the holy spirit had given him to speak.

And so it is with us.

 

[preacher4truth]

The point with stephen is that he didnt confess a rehearsed creed.
He spoke what the holy spirit had given him to speak.

And so it is with us.

Sort of, but not quite all you're making it out to be.

What he stated is the very definition of creed. It is to state one's beliefs. That he did. But not only this, he gave biblical accounts for his beliefs, and this is what Confessions do. He did, in fact, make a Confession of faith.

The church has always had credal statements and Confessions of Faith, and some are recorded within the texts of Scripture itself.

Therefore these creeds and Confessions, which concisely state Biblical truth are useful and valuable tools. Many would have much more sound doctrine by reading them and looking at the Scriptures given in them.

In fact Stephen was well acquainted not only with Scripture, but teachings of Scripture. I say this because he was most likely Hellenisitic, which is subsequently to be well taught. Therefore, being acquainted with both, the Holy Spirit used his understanding and study at his martyrdom in witness of the truth. God uses those who are readily available and studied.