"No Creed But the Bible"

[preacher4truth]

From the article of the same title:

"Liberal theology steers clear of “systematic” theology, seeing it as manmade. But in doing so, liberal theology steers clear of apostolic teaching. When Paul speaks of the “deposit” of gospel teaching, for example, he’s referencing a standard, a proper conception of the message of Christ (2 Tim. 1:13–14). When he speaks of “another Jesus” that unsound teachers preach, he’s referencing the need for a right understanding of Jesus—a normative understanding (2 Cor. 11:4)."

More here: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/no-creed-bible-subverts/

Please take time to read the article.

It is my hope and prayer that some of you who have gone astray from sound doctrine, and those who may be being led astray would be brought to sound doctrine, brought back to sound doctrine, endure the sound doctrine given; 2 Timothy 4:1-4, and then stand in the defense of the faith (the system of theological teaching; Jude 4; Philippians 1:7; 16) given once to the saints.

It is also my hope and prayer that all would look into the importance of the *Confessions of Faith and why these were written (to give the church a statement that declares "confesses" in systematic form what the Scriptures teach). These are no different in objective than any Statement of Faith on a church website or local church except for the fact the Confessions are generally more comprehensive.

No, these are not Scripture, are not to replace Scripture, but serve as a readily accessible document which plainly lays out the teachings of Scripture. They are a valuable tool in the defense of truth.

Grace and peace to you all.

(*I used the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith as an example of a sound confession.)

 

[JaumeJ]

If a person believes the Word, all of it, I believe he or she should read it all…….not just part of it.

 

[Grandpa]

Some of it is pretty good and edifying.

Some of it is an attempt to bring people into a religion and back into chains. Maybe different kind of chains, but still chains.


I like the thought of having a creed, especially up front, so you know exactly what you are getting in to.

If your creed is to have no creed then that is akin to chaos, imo.

 

[Hevosmies]

The Bible is a large book. Impossible to read at one sitting!

Therefore, creeds are a good way to let you know beforehand what you're getting yourself into!

The wicked liberal theologians would have us stuck in UNSYSTEMATIC chaos theology!

Btw bro nice to see you back posting again!

 

[Nehemiah6]

(*I used the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith as an example of a sound confession.)

Sadly, this Confession of Faith, along with the Westminster Confession, and some of the other Protestant Confessions, have distorted the Gospel and present *another gospel*.

They also have some other teachings which are really not true, although they claim to have been derived from Scripture.

Creeds are fine in their place, but they too are misused. So for Christians to know God's truth, no creed but the Bible remains true.

 

[Hevosmies]

Sadly, this Confession of Faith, along with the Westminster Confession, and some of the other Protestant Confessions, have distorted the Gospel and present *another gospel*.

Prove it!

Thats quite a statement from you, I would retract it immediately! Big words! To say these men of God who sacrificed their life were preaching a false gospel. I would contend that the churches were BETTER OFF in the 1600s than now!

I know you have taken a stand for the KJV bible on here in the past. Do you know that the Bible was TRANSLATED by CALVINISTS who held to that particular faith, which you consider 'another gospel'!
Do you believe accursed men gave us the protestant Bible?

 

[preacher4truth]

Prove it!

Thats quite a statement from you, I would retract it immediately! Big words! To say these men of God who sacrificed their life were preaching a false gospel. I would contend that the churches were BETTER OFF in the 1600s than now!

I know you have taken a stand for the KJV bible on here in the past. Do you know that the Bible was TRANSLATED by CALVINISTS who held to that particular faith, which you consider 'another gospel'!
Do you believe accursed men gave us the protestant Bible?

He's ignorant of the true Gospel bro. He has a few things right, but he doesn't have the Gospel right. According to him all the Reformed are lost and on their way to hell.

 

[preacher4truth]

If a person believes the Word, all of it, I believe he or she should read it all…….not just part of it.

Yes, and read it through multiple times throughout their lives.

 

[preacher4truth]

Sadly, this Confession of Faith, along with the Westminster Confession, and some of the other Protestant Confessions, have distorted the Gospel and present *another gospel*.

You need to substantiate your accusation with some evidence. There is no authority in what you say, you need proof.

They also have some other teachings which are really not true, although they claim to have been derived from Scripture.

Creeds are fine in their place, but they too are misused. So for Christians to know God's truth, no creed but the Bible remains true.

Sadly, you are in line with the article concerning those who have departed from the faith into easy-believe-ism false gospels.

Again, provide evidence of your assertions. As soon as you do this, I'll give evidence to the assertions I've charged upon you. And please, no cursory little trifle, do some real homework and provide some facts.

 

[preacher4truth]

Some of it is pretty good and edifying.

Some of it is an attempt to bring people into a religion and back into chains. Maybe different kind of chains, but still chains.

In what way is this an attempt to bring people back into a religion and into chains?

I like the thought of having a creed, especially up front, so you know exactly what you are getting in to.

If your creed is to have no creed then that is akin to chaos, imo.

I agree, the mantras "No creed but the Bible" and "I don't need theology, only Jesus" are dangerous misnomers that fool the ignorant.

 

[preacher4truth]

The Bible is a large book. Impossible to read at one sitting!

Therefore, creeds are a good way to let you know beforehand what you're getting yourself into!

The wicked liberal theologians would have us stuck in UNSYSTEMATIC chaos theology!

Btw bro nice to see you back posting again!

R C Sproul said he read the Bible through the first time in 2 weeks. Wow!

You're correct, what we have to day is unsystematic chaos and a rejection of the one true Gospel.

 

[preacher4truth]

Prove it!

Thats quite a statement from you, I would retract it immediately! Big words! To say these men of God who sacrificed their life were preaching a false gospel. I would contend that the churches were BETTER OFF in the 1600s than now!

I know you have taken a stand for the KJV bible on here in the past. Do you know that the Bible was TRANSLATED by CALVINISTS who held to that particular faith, which you consider 'another gospel'!
Do you believe accursed men gave us the protestant Bible?

My request as well, he needs to prove it, but, he cannot do so. He will only show that his gospel is truncated, different, and opposed to the one preached by the church throughout all ages.

And of course, they were Calvinists. Somehow they think they were little suit and tie wearing premillennial fundies. Then they blast Calvinists as being "Catholic" because of Augustine, but dismiss Erasmus ties to Roman Catholicism altogether and try to do away with his association by any means possible. They are inconsistent, have double standards in their teachings and in their hermeneutics.

 

[cv5]

Prove it!

Thats quite a statement from you, I would retract it immediately! Big words! To say these men of God who sacrificed their life were preaching a false gospel. I would contend that the churches were BETTER OFF in the 1600s than now!

I know you have taken a stand for the KJV bible on here in the past. Do you know that the Bible was TRANSLATED by CALVINISTS who held to that particular faith, which you consider 'another gospel'!
Do you believe accursed men gave us the protestant Bible?

Evidently the Bible of today is practically 70-75% Tyndale and the remainder was by subsequent reformers. Tyndale of course predated Calvin (with 30 odd years of overlap). Tyndale did the heavy lifting and the burden of martyrdom as well.....

 

[p_rehbein]

The only creed one needs is the Gospel of Christ. If one just has to have a creed.

The Holy Word of God is all that is needed. Man can not replace Gods Word with his and expect that to be considered sound Doctrine (in my opinion).

Not exactly sure how believing the Gospel of Christ will suffice is to be considered "liberal" thinking. Unless one believes Christ Himself was "liberal" in His Gospel teaching?

 

[p_rehbein]

John Gill has some good thoughts concerning 2 Timothy 1:13, 14

found here

2 Timothy 1:13 Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible

 

[preacher4truth]

The only creed one needs is the Gospel of Christ. If one just has to have a creed.

The Holy Word of God is all that is needed. Man can not replace Gods Word with his and expect that to be considered sound Doctrine (in my opinion).

Not exactly sure how believing the Gospel of Christ will suffice is to be considered "liberal" thinking. Unless one believes Christ Himself was "liberal" in His Gospel teaching?

You didn't grasp the link sir.

Sorry, but all the above is pure sentimentalism and reflects no real truth or what the Gospel is.

No, we need the proper one true Gospel, and properly interpreted Scripture. With all due respect you show why you have serious theological problems and errors by announcing your "creeds."

Sure you'll get applauded but you really haven't defined one truth nor have you made a stand for anything tangible or defined. THAT is why you'll get applauded; you made absolutely zero distinctions of any truth.

You need to think much deeper and rethink the OP and the link as you've missed the point.

As I recall your Gospel is a gospel of "Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity" which is a works gospel, and shows why the "All we need is the Bible" "creed" is bankrupt and erroneous.

This is why so many have false gospels and teachings. This makes your gospel false because it is Christ alone who secures eternity, not ourselves, not our obedience; It is Christ alone. When you say it is all WE need it is based upon what you say the Gospel is. No, I reject your gospel because of the true shown in Scripture: it shows yours to be false, sir.

So, what is the Gospel? What do ALL the Scriptures mean? It isn't blind unsubstantiated truth and faith. Who is Christ? The Father?

See? Truth isn't contained in empty "creeds" that make no distinctive statements and definitions. This is why you and many others are off track in error because of these types of baseless empty creeds of "all we need is the Bible and Gospel."

It would serve you well to examine the Confession in the OP, and the Scriptures given therein, to help ground you in sound doctrine.

 

[p_rehbein]

You recall in error, as is usual for you.........so, not news there.

I stated that the ONLY necessary Truth is the Gospel of Christ.............man written creeds are nice, and some contain some nuggets of truth, but the Gospel of Christ is the ONLY THING the Church needs............

 

[Hevosmies]

My request as well, he needs to prove it, but, he cannot do so. He will only show that his gospel is truncated, different, and opposed to the one preached by the church throughout all ages.

And of course, they were Calvinists. Somehow they think they were little suit and tie wearing premillennial fundies. Then they blast Calvinists as being "Catholic" because of Augustine, but dismiss Erasmus ties to Roman Catholicism altogether and try to do away with his association by any means possible. They are inconsistent, have double standards in their teachings and in their hermeneutics.

Are you a premill?

 

[p_rehbein]

Sorry, but all the above is pure sentimentalism and reflects no real truth or what the Gospel is.

The Gospel of Christ does NOT reflect what the Gospel is? Are you serious? Oh, that's right, the Gospel is what the Baptists say it is, sorry, I forgot............

 

[p_rehbein]

As I recall your Gospel is a gospel of "Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity" which is a works gospel, and shows why the "All we need is the Bible" "creed" is bankrupt and erroneous.

As is your MO, you mistate again and again. Remaining Obedient Secures Eternity has ZERO to do with works salvation. But, shoot, you will never admit that because then you would look like the deceiver of Truth that you are.