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I never copied and pasted from ANY website.
Show me one instance where I did.
You, on the other hand, repeatedly copy and paste from Answers in Genesis and Institute for Creation Research, which in some cases appears to be a copyright violation.
I'm going to have to call you a liar. Bearing false witness is a sin you know.
Show me some evidence where I copy and pasted, and I will apologize, and do penance.
In fact, if you can show such evidence, I will leave this site forever.
Then you can copy and paste at will, and nobody will call you out on it.
Show me one instance where I did.
You, on the other hand, repeatedly copy and paste from Answers in Genesis and Institute for Creation Research, which in some cases appears to be a copyright violation.
I'm going to have to call you a liar. Bearing false witness is a sin you know.
Show me some evidence where I copy and pasted, and I will apologize, and do penance.
In fact, if you can show such evidence, I will leave this site forever.
Then you can copy and paste at will, and nobody will call you out on it.
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I have said it before...and sadly I find myself saying it again but JackH, why do you have the need to be so disrespectful to other posters. "YEC CLONES" seriously jack we are YEC's clones and yet OEC's you think of as some form of higher being. Have you ever considered loving your neighbour and at least showing a little respect.
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As for the aspect of not saying much about abiogenesis, there's not really very much to say, you see in the study of molecular cell biology we in the real world of research deal with testable hypothesis, and I'm afraid to say that very little of what people like Craig Venter and Jack Szostak suggest has any true validity. One of he great problems from a purely chemo thesis point of view is that the very chemical reactions required to produce peptides necessary for and precursors that might be required for polymerisation and needed therefore in potential "protocell" cell membrane production, are thermodynamically out of equilibrium to begin with and therefore have not actually been demonstrated to be possible, even in a contrived laboratory environment. This is of course only one of the many obstacles to any hypothesis that involves the so called "protocell" which is in fact actually only a fairy tale itself. There is also the other slight problem of cell complexity and organisation let alone the issue of that all important missing item......life itself.
Sorry Jack but before you go on as if science has all the answers you have to have a credible starting position to be going on with and you just don't have one yet.
Dont get me wrong i know hat day by day science is discovering little bits more about the scientific processes of how God spoke life into existence but this idea of abiogenesis is just not it.
Sorry Jack but before you go on as if science has all the answers you have to have a credible starting position to be going on with and you just don't have one yet.
Dont get me wrong i know hat day by day science is discovering little bits more about the scientific processes of how God spoke life into existence but this idea of abiogenesis is just not it.
And why wouldn't they like what they believe is true?
To be precise, they believe more about the theories they are taught.
And I've never understood why who composed it is more important than the truth of it.
The truth of it is what is important. . .making the composer of it more important
is just an effort to distract from and neutralize the truth of it.
To be precise, they believe more about the theories they are taught.
And I've never understood why who composed it is more important than the truth of it.
The truth of it is what is important. . .making the composer of it more important
is just an effort to distract from and neutralize the truth of it.
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MY words of advice.
They were straight from the Bible. I guess this is proof enough that you do not consider the bible to be authoritative. That's too bad.
Since Proverbs are wisdom sayings, and you reject them, I guess that means you aren't too wise. But I think that most of us on this site have already figured that out.
Here's a couple more verses from the Bible, not my words:
2Th 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Th 2:12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
They were straight from the Bible. I guess this is proof enough that you do not consider the bible to be authoritative. That's too bad.
Since Proverbs are wisdom sayings, and you reject them, I guess that means you aren't too wise. But I think that most of us on this site have already figured that out.
Here's a couple more verses from the Bible, not my words:
2Th 2:11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Th 2:12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.
Mans idea that life spontaneously arose and evolved without the work of an outside Entity of superior intelligence is adverse (or satanic) toward God.
The belief itself. Don't automatically believe what you're told. Look at the hypothesis. Do you believe it's responsible science to say iron preserves 60 million year old tissue. Sixty million years? You've believed dinosaurs are millions of years old for so long, that when science discovers true evidence to the contrary, you've already been so brain washed you'll believe a silly reason why real evidence should be ignored. Jack, do you know why T-rex remains are 60 million years old? It's because you've been told they're 60 million years old. Nothing more.
Fraud goes on everywhere and the scientific community isn't exempt. This isn't a secret.
Jack, look at the real Title of your heros book:
"On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection, Or The Preservation Of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life"
Do I have to quote the racist views of Charles Darwin? Do I really have to point out that Adolf Hitler believed Jews, blacks, etc. were inferior races? Evolution demands "survival of the fittest." Wake up Jack.
The belief itself. Don't automatically believe what you're told. Look at the hypothesis. Do you believe it's responsible science to say iron preserves 60 million year old tissue. Sixty million years? You've believed dinosaurs are millions of years old for so long, that when science discovers true evidence to the contrary, you've already been so brain washed you'll believe a silly reason why real evidence should be ignored. Jack, do you know why T-rex remains are 60 million years old? It's because you've been told they're 60 million years old. Nothing more.
Fraud goes on everywhere and the scientific community isn't exempt. This isn't a secret.
Jack, look at the real Title of your heros book:
"On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection, Or The Preservation Of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life"
Do I have to quote the racist views of Charles Darwin? Do I really have to point out that Adolf Hitler believed Jews, blacks, etc. were inferior races? Evolution demands "survival of the fittest." Wake up Jack.
If that is the case, why in the world would the writer of Hebrews say that God/Jesus being the creator of all things, rested, and ceased from His work on the 7th day, speaking in "past tense?"
Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Moses evidently thought it was past also.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made ; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made .
If the 7th day isn't past, there would never have been written this warning.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear , lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it .
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
The Sabbath was instigated for us, for there is rest in Christ. If the 7th day isn't past, there no rest.
Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Moses evidently thought it was past also.
Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made ; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made .
If the 7th day isn't past, there would never have been written this warning.
Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear , lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it .
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
The Sabbath was instigated for us, for there is rest in Christ. If the 7th day isn't past, there no rest.
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יִּשְׁבֹּת בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי, מִכָּל = Rested on the seventh day from all
מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה = His work which He had done
השביעי = Seventh
השביע = Satisfied (past tense)
Original Hebrew from Genesis 2:2
"rested" Strong's Concordance
7673 shabath shaw-bath' a primitive root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific):--(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
מְלַאכְתּוֹ אֲשֶׁר עָשָׂה = His work which He had done
השביעי = Seventh
השביע = Satisfied (past tense)
Original Hebrew from Genesis 2:2
"rested" Strong's Concordance
7673 shabath shaw-bath' a primitive root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific):--(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
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I have now have woken up and I believe everything you and these other YECs have said is true about dinosaurs. I mean, if you read it on the internet it must be true. Incidentally, I'm a French model. Bon jour.
Not only do you YECs have me now convinced that dinosaurs coexisted with man 4,000 years ago, I am absolutely certain that dinosaurs still exist.
The Loch Ness Monster is a Scottish plesiosauras. What other explanation could there be?
Not only do you YECs have me now convinced that dinosaurs coexisted with man 4,000 years ago, I am absolutely certain that dinosaurs still exist.
The Loch Ness Monster is a Scottish plesiosauras. What other explanation could there be?
All the evidence for evolution is wrong. I don't know how it's wrong, but it's wrong because it contradicts the Bible.
And because all the evidence that contradicts the Bible is wrong by default, there's no explanation for how we came to exist.
Because I can't explain how we came to exist, it must have been God who created everything as is.
This logical argument is an example of creation science.
Flawless.
And because all the evidence that contradicts the Bible is wrong by default, there's no explanation for how we came to exist.
Because I can't explain how we came to exist, it must have been God who created everything as is.
This logical argument is an example of creation science.
Flawless.
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Jack, you are a silly man and I don't just mean your false scientific beliefs sadly I also mean your rather poor derisory attitude. We all make mistakes and we are all ignorant of God's ways, this side of eternity at least but a word of caution for us all comes from Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."
None of us holds all the truth and perhaps none of us should consider ourselves more highly than we ought. Many of us are prepared to seek out the truth as best we can find it but we contradict and misinterpret the words of Scripture at our peril.
None of us holds all the truth and perhaps none of us should consider ourselves more highly than we ought. Many of us are prepared to seek out the truth as best we can find it but we contradict and misinterpret the words of Scripture at our peril.
You missed my the point of my post. Don't believe either side without pondering what is actually being said.
Maybe somebody wanted to get rich writing a book. Maybe someone bought a row boat and opened up a business floating tourists around. Who knows.
Many factors cause mans inhumanity to man and the idea that one race is inferior to another (which is what Darwin taught and Hitler believed) was a such a factor in the Holocaust.
Yes, I've heard of Mr. Ed. Your mentioning a ridiculous old TV show in connection with biblical beliefs is where your error begins. Just curious Jack, but do you think there's any truth to the story of Jesus rising from the dead?
Maybe somebody wanted to get rich writing a book. Maybe someone bought a row boat and opened up a business floating tourists around. Who knows.
Many factors cause mans inhumanity to man and the idea that one race is inferior to another (which is what Darwin taught and Hitler believed) was a such a factor in the Holocaust.
Yes, I've heard of Mr. Ed. Your mentioning a ridiculous old TV show in connection with biblical beliefs is where your error begins. Just curious Jack, but do you think there's any truth to the story of Jesus rising from the dead?
You can leave the Bible completely out of the conversation if you wish. Simply look at what you're being told by science for how we came to be.
Here's an even better one. Observation teaches us that life doesn't just begin. Therefore, life must somehow have always existed. Isn't that true my friend?
Here's an even better one. Observation teaches us that life doesn't just begin. Therefore, life must somehow have always existed. Isn't that true my friend?