None Good...No Not One!

[dcontroversal]

But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.22This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP]h[/SUP] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile,23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP]i[/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.27Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


FAITH DECLARES THE LAW FULFILLED AND GOD DECLARES US RIGHTEOUS

Abraham was declared righteous because of his faith...See how good God is in mentionning that to help us understand?

AMEN to that for sure........

 

[dcontroversal]

]Years actually[/U] and once I really understood that we choose to sin, it made it that much easier. See, the Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation that we can't handle, and if by chance, we do, we have a way out. I've never had an opportunity to sin without a moment to decide, and this goes from when I chose to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

And please, don't look at this as a pat on the back because it isn't. Am I tempted DAILY; you bet I am but I use that time consult the High Priest who has faced the same temptations that I have. And again, this is no boast because just as I'm speaking to you now, I can drop my guard and fall to whatever sin I'm presented with but I thank God that if we do fall, we have an advocate with the Father.

Being candid, every time I failed, it was because I rested on my laurels, believing that I didn't need a daily renewal of the Spirit, and I was brought back to reality, very quickly. But let me ask you 2 questions:

What is your view on Ephesians 6:11?
Do you choose to sin?

Such a false claim for sure.........not even the most righteous men of the bible were without sin on occasion...Even Daniel confessed his sins and he is only one of three men that had such a righteous life so as to be preserved....WOW.....YOU ALL SEE THIS...hasn't SINNED IN YEARS.....I suggest the OP truthfully and be open to learning and instruction and that goes for your two buddies here who to keep from lying tap dance all the way around 3score's question about sin in their life!

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I think you should learn to read English...No where in the OP did I (SPIN) what you are proposing as that is a straight lie so I suggest you re-read slowly and actually take the time to understand what is written...and if you say that you don't sin or have not sinned the bible condemns you as deceived and a liar without the truth and word word dwelling in you!

You bend the words of our dear brother Paul, to the false.

He confess that he haw been sinner in a past, but you make he sinner again.

You should shame for your self.

And our dear brother John, do not say that we can do sin, but clearly he says, that who do sin, is from devil.

7. My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous: 8. he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9. Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. (1 John 3:7-9)

If you join in the temptations of your flesh you will sin, because the mind what you have is the mind of the flesh. And the mind of flesh is for death, but the mind of the Spirit is for life, and everyone should mortify, the mind of the flesh.

And you can not invoke in the old testament, to justify your sins, even though you may find there some wrongness. But it was a time before our Lord, and time before the perfect way revealed.

38. (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves, and the holes of the earth. 39. And these all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise, 40. God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:38-40)

Today we should preach for the way of perfection.

Do not deceive your selves, to think otherwise, and do not commit sin anymore, and try to justify the wrongness in your life, but turn against the sin, because the price of sin is, eternal death, but righteousness will live.

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

And to add this that king Solomon and David pay the price for they error, but have you?

No you have. But it seems that you just try to find some more ways to make more sin.

Is this behavior of the holy ones of God?

No it is not.

Wake up.

 

[dcontroversal]

And to add this that king Solomon and David pay the price for they error, but have you?

No you have. But it seems that you just try to find some more ways to make more sin.

Is this behavior of the holy ones of God?

No it is not.

Wake up.

To this post and your last post.....I suggest you study more.....PAUL wrote towards the END OF HIS LIFE when he was BEHEADED in ROME that he was the NUMBER 1 CHIEF SINNER among men in light of the righteousness of CHRIST and JOHN ALSO SAID that IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN we are DECIEVED and the truth is NOT IN US.......

BY YOUR OWN admission you are DECIEVED and do not have the TRUTH dwelling in you....so get this through your head....

THE spirit that has been born again does NOT SIN, is saved, sealed, justified and sanctified in CHRIST for EVER

THE BODY of FLESH is STILL DEAD IN SIN, PRONE TO SIN and is not subject unto the law of GOD neither in deed can be....

To say that one fails occasionally and sins IS NOT TO SAY THEY LIVE A LIFESTYLE OF SIN......WAKE UP and OPEN YOUR BLIND EYES

 

[dcontroversal]

Another man that sinned after being called, empowered and walking with God was Moses....in the wilderness he was commanded to speak to the rock to bring forth water...in his anger he sinned and struck the rock twice............Even MOSES sinned after being saved by God.........

I want to reiterate the facts.....this thread is not about justifying a life of sin, nor is it intended to promote a sinful lifestyle...it simply points out the fact that ALL believers have the propensity to fail and sin and or will occasionally sin......NOT THAT WE CANNOT OVERCOME particular sins and or SUPPRESS SIN in our lives......the most righteous men of the bible stumbled and sinned at some point or another....so for those who deny this...you not only deny the historicity of the bible, but you also deny the scriptures........!

 

[phil112]

..................it simply points out the fact that ALL believers have the propensity to fail and sin and or will occasionally sin........................!

Dcon, my friend, why is it that you emphasize our ability to sin but never our ability to not sin?
Christ said don't do it, and that means we have the ability to not do it.
Do you disagree with that?

Sin is an option, not a mandate. What is your choice?

 

[dcontroversal]

Dcon, my friend, why is it that you emphasize our ability to sin but never our ability to not sin?
Christ said don't do it, and that means we have the ability to not do it.
Do you disagree with that?

Sin is an option, not a mandate. What is your choice?

Phil....the points made are directed at those, who like the Pharisees, boasted of their righteousness to the detriment of those who boast in Christ....who went away justified?...the Pharisee who bragged and boasted of his SINLESS righteousness or the one who beat upon his chest while seeking mercy and forgiveness.....I have not ever said nor implied that we cannot cease from wilful sin, I have never implied that we can live a lifestyle of sin, I have never implied that we should sin because we are under grace, I have never said that we cannot cease from particular sins.......The SCRIPTURES speak to both sides of the coin and it is not error or wrong to point out that EVERYONE SINS, NO ONE IS 100% SINLESS AND THOSE WHO CLAIM SUCH are deceived, the truth is not in them and it is BIBLICAL to point out the things that I have pointed OUT!

 

[Sirk]

Dcon, my friend, why is it that you emphasize our ability to sin but never our ability to not sin?
Christ said don't do it, and that means we have the ability to not do it.
Do you disagree with that?

Sin is an option, not a mandate. What is your choice?

I've never gotten from Dcon the emphasis to sin. Only that the depth of our fallen nature cannot be fully known to us while we inhabit our corrupted flesh and that we should be humble about the gift we are given that we did not deserve.

 

[Sirk]

We are BEING made new and have been made new at the same time. I think it's a biblical concept that's hard for many to grasp.

 

[Chica]

You bend the words of our dear brother Paul, to the false.

He confess that he haw been sinner in a past, but you make he sinner again.

You should shame for your self.

And our dear brother John, do not say that we can do sin, but clearly he says, that who do sin, is from devil.

7. My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous: 8. he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9. Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. (1 John 3:7-9)

If you join in the temptations of your flesh you will sin, because the mind what you have is the mind of the flesh. And the mind of flesh is for death, but the mind of the Spirit is for life, and everyone should mortify, the mind of the flesh.

And you can not invoke in the old testament, to justify your sins, even though you may find there some wrongness. But it was a time before our Lord, and time before the perfect way revealed.

38. (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves, and the holes of the earth. 39. And these all, having had witness borne to them through their faith, received not the promise, 40. God having provided some better thing concerning us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect. (Heb 11:38-40)

Today we should preach for the way of perfection.

Do not deceive your selves, to think otherwise, and do not commit sin anymore, and try to justify the wrongness in your life, but turn against the sin, because the price of sin is, eternal death, but righteousness will live.

7. My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous: 8. he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9. Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. (1 John 3:7-9)

And yet John can say we have an "advocate" with the Father if we do sin (1John2:1). John is not teaching sinless perfection in the passage you quoted, but, is speaking of "habitual sin".

If we say we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness 1John 6a

 

[Chica]

Phil....the points made are directed at those, who like the Pharisees, boasted of their righteousness to the detriment of those who boast in Christ....who went away justified?...the Pharisee who bragged and boasted of his SINLESS righteousness or the one who beat upon his chest while seeking mercy and forgiveness.....I have not ever said nor implied that we cannot cease from wilful sin, I have never implied that we can live a lifestyle of sin, I have never implied that we should sin because we are under grace, I have never said that we cannot cease from particular sins.......The SCRIPTURES speak to both sides of the coin and it is not error or wrong to point out that EVERYONE SINS, NO ONE IS 100% SINLESS AND THOSE WHO CLAIM SUCH are deceived, the truth is not in them and it is BIBLICAL to point out the things that I have pointed OUT!

I tried to click a like button but there wasn't one on this post, so, anyway, I like this.

 

[MarcR]

Sirk, D_con, Ember:

I have Jason on ignore, because arguing with Jason accomplishes nothing. Unless you are all doing it for entertainment; I respectfully suggest you do the same. I agree with your positions; but question your stewardship of your time

 

[Jason0047]

Dear Chica:

So..... if a serial killer just kills a little over a span of a few years he is not a serial killer? Is he not a serial killer if he does not do it habitually?

John tells us to "sin not" in 1 John 2:1. It means exactly that. John does not say.... "strive not to sin but please know you will forever be a slave to your sin. "

In fact, Jesus condemns the Pharisees in John 8 for saying that if they sin, they are a slave to sin. Jesus is not speaking favorably of them in being a slave to sin. Yet everyone here thinks it is okay to be a slave to sin on some level.

1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin.

Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts.

Jesus says to be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. The Father is perfect because He is Holy and does not sin.

Scripture says, without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. One is not living holy if they believe they can get away with some kind of pet little sin every once and a while. It doesn't work like that. We are bought and paid for with a price and we are not our own.

 

[gb9]

to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. kind of puts a different look on things.

 

[jsr1221]

Dear Chica:

So..... if a serial killer just kills a little over a span of a few years he is not a serial killer? Is he not a serial killer if he does not do it habitually?

John tells us to "sin not" in 1 John 2:1. It means exactly that. John does not say.... "strive not to sin but please know you will forever be a slave to your sin. "

In fact, Jesus condemns the Pharisees in John 8 for saying that if they sin, they are a slave to sin. Jesus is not speaking favorably of them in being a slave to sin. Yet everyone here thinks it is okay to be a slave to sin on some level.

1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin.

Galatians 5:24 says they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts.

Jesus says to be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. The Father is perfect because He is Holy and does not sin.

Scripture says, without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. One is not living holy if they believe they can get away with some kind of pet little sin every once and a while. It doesn't work like that. We are bought and paid for with a price and we are not our own.

Jason, no one would be in Heaven then if that were the case EEveryone sins after accepting. And please don't say something like "we're not a slave to it" or anything like that like you have prior in other posts. Judging by what you just said "Strive to be perfect", we are all hell bound then because none of us- including you- are perfect. Going by what you have been saying.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sirk, D_con, Ember:

I have Jason on ignore, because arguing with Jason accomplishes nothing. Unless you are all doing it for entertainment; I respectfully suggest you do the same. I agree with your positions; but question your stewardship of your time

I agree it is a colossal waste of time discussing anything with him....but for the people who come along after us who read the threads it can be beneficial to see the truth as opposed to the error of where he and a handful of others stand......but I do appreciate your view bro.

 

[JFSurvivor]

Jesus clearly stated that there is NONE GOOD but God.....God inspired the following thoughts and truths....

1. None Good...no not one<--Romans
2. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags and our iniquities like the wind have taken us away<--Isaiah
3. If we say we have no SIN, we are deceived and the truth is not in us<--1st John
4. There is not a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not<--Ecclesiastes

Many godly men of the bible committed horrific sins and or sinned after being saved as the bible records...

1. David a man after God's own heart and mind committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband Uriah Killed
2. Peter lied three times when he denied the Lord and used foul language in the process, he also played the hypocrite when it came to socializing with the gentiles and then disassociating when the Jews came around.
3. Abraham was deceptive about his half sister wife to save his own skin
4. Daniel prayed and confessed his sins and associated himself with the sins of his people even though one sin is not recorded about him.
5. Paul towards the end of his life writes that he is the number one chief sinner among men.
6. Noah got rip roaring falling down blind drunk after the flood.
7. Thomas, after walking with the Lord for over three years and having the abilities to work miracles doubted the resurrection.
8. Solomon built temples and groves to idols because of the affiliation with his wives and concubines.
9. Peter was also called Satan once by Jesus for denying that Jesus had to die for the redemption of humanity.

Etc. At the end of the day the bible is clear.....the Pharisees bragged about their own righteousness, claimed how sinless they were and consistently pointed the finger at those around them while denying their own sin. Just because someone is saved does not mean that they will not in a moment of weakness sin....this does not mean that we cannot overcome particular sins and or cease from continual sin. You know....the man who will not even lift his eyes to heaven while beating on his chest and seeking forgiveness of sins is the one who walks away justified before God....not the one who brags and boasts of his righteousness, of being sinless and or makes claims to being righteous at the detriment of others.......

The statements below are applied unto particular sins of the flesh and not to the over all sinfulness of the flesh....
1. Go and sin no more
2. Those who have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin

For there is NOT a just man upon the earth that does GOOD and SINS NOT<------when this was written there were saved men on the earth and this is as applicable unto them as much as it is applicable unto us!

The spirit that is born of God does NOT sin, is eternally saved, justified and sanctified in Christ positionally.
The flesh that the spirit is housed in is fallen, sinful and dead because of sin

Jesus said it best and proves the conflict that takes place within a true believer.......The Spirit is indeed willing, but the FLESH IS WEAK<----Paul expounds on this, although it is rejected by those who brag and boast of their own righteousness and lack of sin!

oh ppsssshhh I NEVER sin! lol I hope you can all feel the sarcasm oozing through your computer or phone screens.

 

[dcontroversal]

oh ppsssshhh I NEVER sin! lol I hope you can all feel the sarcasm oozing through your computer or phone screens.

At least you have your head on straight....!

 

[JFSurvivor]

At least you have your head on straight....!

You know it! ;-D