NOT ALL THINGS HAVE YET BEEN PUT UNDER JESUS' AUTHORITY

AnandaHya · Mar 24, 2011

God is God of all creation. Can we leave it at that?

this contention is causing me to have a headache and placing stumbling blocks on the path of new believers. Do you know what you are doing???? have you step backed and thought about this???? Think and act on your words and fast as Isaiah 58 revealed to us to fast: through the DOING of good works. show now WHOSE CHILDREN ARE YOU??? will you continue to argue or will you get no you knees and pray with the afflicted? will you repent or will you continue in your self righteousness?

God be your judge and speak in humbliness to God and beseech His forgiveness for you have sinned.

YouTube - All Of Creation - Mercyme

stop listening to demons, REFUSE the voices and act.

YouTube - Josh Wilson - I Refuse

Therefore repent and fast:

Isaiah 58:6-9 (New King James Version)

6 “ Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;
When you see the naked, that you cover him,
And not hide yourself from your own flesh?
8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,
Your healing shall spring forth speedily,
And your righteousness shall go before you;
The glory of the LORD shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and the LORD will answer;
You shall cry, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’

“ If you take away the yoke from your midst,
The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness,

break free of the chains TODAY!

how many of you have even LOOKED at the prayer request and testimony threads?

AnandaHya · Mar 24, 2011

PLEASE FORGIVE EACH OTHER and start fresh today:

God spoke this into my heart May 2003

" Look on each day as a new day,
forgive the hurts of yesterday
.Let go of dreams of tomorrow.
Focus on today.
Look on every thing with fresh eyes for what you remember is what was.
Live and rejoice in what is.
Be it sadness and pain
or happiness and joy.
wealth or poverty,
find ultimate joy in the truth and ultimate happiness in unconditional love.
For they are the only things that remain constant.
For they are from God
The nature of beings is pure light and goodness
Rejoice in knowledge and learning
because that is the path toward God and truth
See with clear eyes the world
unfettered with misconceptions based on past experiences and attachments.
People change, things change.

True future selves are based on past self,
but have you truly seen them as they are or know who they will be?
Each person has choices/ experiences that changes them daily.
So greet everyone with happiness and compassion.

Be open to accept who they are now
and give them love for who they were
and what they have done for you,
but never forget to see them as they are now
instead of imposing the picture of who they used to be"

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2011

This shows how lost some people are.

The messiah comes in week 69, and is cut off (killed) So to say the messiah has not come because people cut off the 70th week is to not understand the prophesy.

If the messiah is cut off after the 69th week. He must have came.

This is getting rediculous.

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

ZONE, MY QUESTION

AT CHRISTS SECOND COMING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ALL GENTILES OF ALL TYPES OF RELIGIONS FROM BACK THEN & NOW?

zone · Mar 24, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

you said Jesus was cut off at the end of the 69th week - within, but at the end of the 69th week.

is this what you claim?

zone · Mar 24, 2011

wakeup said:

no wars? what happens at the end of your 1,000 years? isnt that gog and magog or armageddon?

that would be a fairly substantial war.

what happens as the flesh people die? isn't that death? wouldn't there be pain and mourning also with flesh and death?

where is satan in your 1,000 years? locked up...but doesn't he get released?

so, there's pure evil at the end of your millenium, and death and suffering and mourning and crying, and war.

others who hold this view claim there will be capital punishment. there must be very serious crime going on.

or is your 1,000 years different from your group's?

zone · Mar 24, 2011

AnandaHya said:

are you speaking directly for God here? are you a prophetess?

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i understand what your point is. elsewhere you have issued warnings about what "antichrist" doctrine is: denying Messiah came in the Flesh.

if you can see, i am attempting to uphold the truth that MESSIAH DID COME and fulfill the MESSIANIC PROPHECIES WRITTEN FOR THE JEWS TO ALIGN WITH HIS COMING nearly 2,000 years ago, ok? (Dan. 9) interestingly, ordinary jews today are heavily discouraged by the "authorities" from reading daniel.

there are doctrines abounding in christianity today which however subtle they appear, DENY messiah has come, denying Daniel 9.

thank you.

Necto · Mar 24, 2011

To AnandaHya. Do not trust Zone. It introduces God's people astray .

eternally-gratefull · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

And here we have it for the Whole world to see.

Yes he did come, Yes he did fulfill the messianic version of Daniel 9. But not for Ireal, For the whole world. As far as Israel goes. He was CUT OFF..

Even more interesting is when you talk to a jew, and say you can't wait for the temple to be rebuilt. And they are amazed a Christian would make such a claim. Where do we get it. And we say Daniel and other OT prophesies. And they tell you they are forbidden to read daniel (because according to them Messiah did not come when promised (69 weeks)

Yet NO ONE here is denying messiah came.

You just can't read anything anyone says because your either preprogrammed as to what we believe, and assume you already know. Are you blinded by you own belief.

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

Didn't i explain this questions before? I'll do it again for your sake. In the 1000 year reign there will be peace in the kingdom,no wars, no pain, no sorrow. And there will be lots of teaching going on to the remnant.guided by the resurrected.and the preaching will also go thru the earth to the gentiles.and many will learn and knowledge will cover the earth as the sea covers the earth. Satan in prison remember? So once that preaching is done, Satan will be let loose for a little season. to gather the ones that refused the teachings, that carry on their own ways.And God is going to put it in Satans heart to gather those, and surround the camp of the saints. Not to go inside the camp, but to surround. And God is going to destroy them all with fire from heaven. And this is called the war of Gog & Magog.

The flesh ones that live in the kingdom will live up to a hundred years old. They still die because they are flesh not spirit YET. Because Satan is not destroyed yet, but they will be resurrected in the second resurrection, and also all the gentiles from back then and now will be resurrected in the flesh and judged according to the books according to their works. This is the second resurrection. The sheep will be placed on the right hand side and the goats on the left. And the goats will be thrown into the lake of fire. And the sheep will be changed into spirit and invited into the kingdom. So now we are all spirit. Now the earth itself is still polluted with all the junk left over of the war & the 2nd coming & all the temples & the pyramids & all what man has created on the earth and in the sea & the sun & the moon & all the planets that has been worshipped by man will also be destroyed. All will be melted down. Now we have new heaven & a new earth. And this prophecy is now fulfilled ""Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"" and God Himself will dwell amongst us on earth. I hope you will read this carefully this time.

After a 1000 years of teaching the world...THEN he will be released for a short season..rev 20:7.

when Satan (Gog) is released he starts his job again to sift out the evil ones..because God has put it into his heart to bring them all into one place to be destroyed. There is no suffering in the kingdom ONLY.

I dont hold their view of the millennium. The mark of the beast is BEFORE the 2nd coming of Jesus. Dont get this confused with the millennium. The one that is doing the punishing is the false prophet, punishing those true believers that refuse to take the mark. He who will save his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find life.

[/QUOTE] No we all have the one Spirit. There is only One Truth. And one Spirit of truth (Holy Spirit)

wakeup · Mar 25, 2011

zone said:

Quote: zone

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.what this is saying is that joshua
did not gave them rest: therefore an other rest is has been spoken of:
that would be the 1000yrs rest, which is
coming.

Quote: wakeup

not joshua; where on earth did you come to joshua?

paul obviously uderstood, that jesus is the word and the word was there from the beginning: all was created by the word,the word became flesh and his name is
JESHUAH=JEHOSHUAH: we call him JESUS: he was guiding moses all the way.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

joshuah the prophet did not give them rest; how can he? you are now mixing jesus and joshuah the prophet,(poor you).just to make your doctrine look as the truth.

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF - JESUS, FIRST ADVENT, THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL LIFE ENTERED BY FAITH:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

there is a rest that is given to you,(such as peace,and taken away of the burdens)
there is a rest that we must enter in to: this is the 1000yr rest (kingdom)
christ is leading his people through the desert now,because this land is desolate.
but the true worshippers will make it to the promised land.

silverwind · Mar 25, 2011

Red33 said:

Christ is reigning upon the earth only through those that have been saved by grace and are filled with the Spirit, who are walking in the light and doing the work that they have been called to do in the body of Christ. The church was established to preach the gospel and reveal Christ and Him crucified to the lost in this world, so that God could add to His church such as should be saved (both Jew and Gentile). The church is called to serve and lay down its life. As it does this, God exalts it by giving the church grace and wisdom to walk by, in an ever present evil world.

The kingdom of God is a theocracy with Christ as King and will reign with its own government over all nations and kingdoms of the earth in the future, but the church or body at present has Christ as the head that operates as a theocracy in local areas, but not over other nations and is subject to governments. In that sense, Christ reigns from His throne in heaven over His body on the earth but does not have all authority put under His feet until the Kingdom comes on earth as it is in heaven. It is not the purpose or job of the church, at present, to bring the kingdom of God to govern the earth.

The church will be taken away to heaven for a time to be with Christ, to be judged for her works, receive her new glorified body and be presented as the bride of Christ. She will later come back to earth with her bridegroom at the end of the great tribulation period to judge the nations and establish a rule upon the earth and reign with His bride for 1,000 years. The members of the bride who have their glorified bodies, do not procreate upon the earth, because for her that time is over, but those that make it through the tribulation and the judgment of the nations will be able to marry, procreate and populate the earth for 1,000 years. Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit during this time of reigning so that he will not be able to deceive the nations. At the end of that 1,000 year reign Satan will be loosed again to deceive the nations and they will gather together for one last time of rebellion and anarchy and come up against the saints of the beloved city who will be consumed by fire from heaven.

Then it will be the time of the great white throne judgment when the wicked and all those that were workers of iniquity will be condemned and confined with Satan and his angels to the lake of fire, which is the second death, when death and hell will be also cast into that lake. This will be when we shall see all things will put under His feet and God will create a new heaven and earth. This is referred to as what the eye has not seen nor the ear heard of the things that God had prepared for them that love Him. This is when the grace of God will reign through righteousness unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is the mercy that we look for unto the coming of the Lord.

Heb 2:7-18

well said!

livingbygrace · Mar 25, 2011

silverwind said:

So Christ only reigns over the people on earth who have been saved by grace?

Christ reigns over his Father's kingdom. So The Father Himself did not have rule over all the earth? Only parts of it, is this what you are saying?

In the OT the world was as godless as it is now, did this mean God did not reign over the whole earth?

ALL authority has been given to Christ in Heaven and on earth, not just parts of it

For He (God) has put EVERYTHING under his feet

Necto · Mar 25, 2011

First of all, Christ has conquered the enemy Himself. Then others took advantage of His victory, so the Kingdom since expanded. That is why it is said that all things in subjection to Him, and on the other side now, we still do not see what all things conquered to Him. This issue of expansion of the Kingdom - hence the question of time.

Devolution · Mar 25, 2011

livingbygrace said:

Hi LBG,

Yes the Father is the owner of all things since He created all things. It is the Father who is above all which none of us question. However, the Father does as He pleases with His goods...

Whose kingdom?
Luke 4
5> and the devil, taking Him (Jesus) up into an high mountain, shewed unto Him ALL the KINGDOMS of the world in moment of time.
6> And the devil said unto Him, all this power will i give Thee, and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever i will i give it.
7> If Thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be Thine.

So the earth is Gods. God grants rule of the things within the earth to Satan. Notice Satan only shows what is his...the kingdoms of man. Satan never showed the whole earth, only what was WITHIN the whole earth. And it is this that is under his control...NOT ownership, but control.

So this kingdom is Satans...for a time. And since Satan has authority over this kingdom, then it must mean that Jesus does not....but instead, Jesus has inherited the deed to the "land" (the earth)...not the kingdom operating on that land.

It is like when a company leases land and builds on that land under contract, the land owner & company reach agreement. But the company (kingdom) is only leasing for a fixed term...and when that term expires...and all that is left on that land when the company must leave that plot...all that is left on that land comes under the land owners control. But until that appointed time of expiry, the land owner never interferes in the company during that term of contract unless breaches occur...but after the term expires....the land owner comes to collect what is His. So until this happens, not yet all things are under Christ...for the "company" is still directed by its leader...Satan....for now. And since Satan did offer control over to Jesus under Satans conditions, we see Satan indeed has control of this kingdom for the moment.

Just something to consider...
Regards
Devolution.

livingbygrace · Mar 25, 2011

Devolution said:

I appreciate your post. But can I ask you? Who is in ULTIMATE control over all things?

Could satan tempt Job without Gods permission?

Can satan do anything on this earth if not permitted to by a higher authority?

Can man ultimately do anything that God would not allow?

I appreciate what you are saying, but I don't believe anything can be done unless God allows it to be done anywhere, so in effect God rules over everything

And Christ said

ALL power and authority in Heaven and on earth had been given to him

And Paul says Christ reigns now, but at the end time will hand over the kingdom to the Father.

So if Christ now rules over Gods kingdom, is anything ultimately not subject to that kingdom and the authority and power the one who is over that kingdom has?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

livingbygrace said:

Yes, God has Control, But he has as scripture says, (been patient) and allowed evil and satan to still run free.

But there will be a day when Christ rules on Earth, Satan is bound, and Christ will have full control, with no patience.

livingbygrace · Mar 25, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

ALLOWED being the important word here. Nothing can happen unless it is ALLOWED to happen

eternally-gratefull · Mar 25, 2011

livingbygrace said:

and we agree (just like God aloud Satan control over Job, everything but his life)

Necto · Mar 25, 2011

Despite the fact that everything in the universe belongs to God, we must really understand the present situation described in Hebrews 2, 8. The first part of verse reflects the essence of the Kingdom. The second shows the spatial limits. That is just the case that these enemies do not obey Christ and fight against Him. Otherwise we would not have had any problems!

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