NOT ALL THINGS HAVE YET BEEN PUT UNDER JESUS' AUTHORITY

zone · Mar 23, 2011

exactly:

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

THIS WORLD is perfect? huh?

i said Christ's WORK was perfect. you said it was not.

unless you have ALL men saved even in your 1,000 years, are you calling Christ's Work a failure?

you, like the unbelievers of His Day look for an EARTHLY KINGDOM....

John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

zone · Mar 23, 2011

wakeup said:

what a JOKE. you shoot your mouth off without spending 5 minutes CHECKING. you'd rather play fast and loose with God's Word than bother making sure you're not wrong.

New International Version (©1984)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

International Standard Version (©2008)
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken later about another day.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
If Joshua had given the people rest, God would not have spoken about another day.

King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

American King James Version
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

American Standard Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Bible in Basic English
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.

Darby Bible Translation
For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.

English Revised Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Webster's Bible Translation
For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day.

Weymouth New Testament
For if Joshua had given them the true rest, we should not afterwards hear God speaking of another still future day.

World English Bible
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Young's Literal Translation
for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things;

you can't even be bothered to read JOSHUA 21.

here it is for anyone who DOES CARE:

Joshua 21
43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44 And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.

http://esv.scripturetext.com/joshua/21.htm

zone · Mar 23, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

it's not my problem you're too lazy to do the work yourself.

zone · Mar 23, 2011

wakeup said:

you are most assuredly wasting your time.
but, its your time to waste, do as you see fit.
continue in your unbelief that Jesus HAS FULFILLED all Righteousness

wakeup · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

you are not seeing what is written on the screen, what is wrong with your screen?
is it black? it says that it will be a 1000 yrs peace, i mean no wars, just teaching and
learning,all fruits will be in the forest, we play with lions ,bears,and all sorts.
rebelling in the 1000yrs?? where did you read that, its in your mind. who is that
in your mind, what is his name. it loves twisting words,to cause confuson.
we need to intelligently debate things, without slipping and sliding and running
around the bushes,it is such awaste of energy. walk the sraight and narrow.

''wakeup''.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

I did the work And proves Jersusalem could not be who you say she is.

You have yet to refute what I said.

Stop making excuses! My God your like a child!!

eternally-gratefull · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

See what I mean wakeup. She thinks we do not believe this. Yet we do.

She can not possibly be reading what we say, Or she would not make such assumptions which are not true.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 23, 2011

wakeup said:

She reminds me of people who come from a certain church (which I will not name), Everytime I discuss scripture with them they all do the same thing. They are programed, or spoonfed. They are told what others believe, and how to respond to them.

They are easy to see, because they say you believe in stuff you don't, They say they read what you read, yet accuse you of not saying things, when you did. When they are given a question they are not programmed to answer, The ignore the question and give 1000 excuses not to answer the question. Most of the excuses are personal attacks.

It is sad that a church can have this much control over people!.

wakeup · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?

if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
not joshua; where on earth did you come to joshua?
paul obviously uderstood, that jesus is the word and the word was there from the beginning: all was created by the word,the word became flesh and his name is
JESHUAH=JEHOSHUAH: we call him JESUS: he was guiding moses all the way.
you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.
joshuah the prophet did not give them rest; how can he? you are now mixing
jesus and joshuah the prophet,(poor you).just to make your doctrine look as the truth.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.
no no:moses led israel out of bondage, many rebelled many followed moses
the ones that rebelled did not make it, they died in the desert but the rest made it to the promised land: jesus came to lead us out of bondage,many rebelled but many follow.
the ones that rebelled will not make it but the true followers will make it:
i t i s f u t u r e : it has not happened yet. coming very soon. get your self right.
you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.
Jesus is still shepperding us right now: the shepperding starts with the apostles, and
is still going on right now: it did not end 2000yrs ago. what is the 2000yrs preaching for
we are still walking through the desert now, coming close to the promise land.
that is why God called this land ''d e s o l a t e'' like the desert in the days of moses.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those whobelieve, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEFe
yes, dont rebel, cause you will fall in the desert, and you wont make it to the promise land. follow the word(Jesus)

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

this is a different rest, a rest that jesus can give us peace and take away our burdens, he gives it
but the 1000yr rest is a rest we enter in: enough for now.''wakeup''.

zone · Mar 23, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

no you don't.
you severed the 70th week from the other 69.
your messiah hasn't come.

zone · Mar 23, 2011

wakeup said:

Quote: zone

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

Quote: wakeup

not joshua; where on earth did you come to joshua?

paul obviously uderstood, that jesus is the word and the word was there from the beginning: all was created by the word,the word became flesh and his name is
JESHUAH=JEHOSHUAH: we call him JESUS: he was guiding moses all the way.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

joshuah the prophet did not give them rest; how can he? you are now mixing jesus and joshuah the prophet,(poor you).just to make your doctrine look as the truth.

zone said:

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF - JESUS, FIRST ADVENT, THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL LIFE ENTERED BY FAITH:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

wakeup · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

what a JOKE. you shoot your mouth off without spending 5 minutes CHECKING. you'd rather play fast and loose with God's Word than bother making sure you're not wrong.
if i was wrong i would be the first to admit, not in your case. you only try to wiggle
out,and twist or find something new to invent.

New International Version (©1984)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
joshua theproph.can never give them rest, but Jesus can.(that trans.is wrong)
paul is right,it is Jesus,not joshua o k .God all the way leading through joshua.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come.

English Standard Version (©2001)
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.
wrong: it will lead you astray.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

International Standard Version (©2008)
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken later about another day.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
If Joshua had given the people rest, God would not have spoken about another day.

King James Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

American King James Version
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

American Standard Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Bible in Basic English
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have said anything about another day.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day.

Darby Bible Translation
For if Jesus had brought them into rest, he would not have spoken afterwards about another day.

English Revised Version
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Webster's Bible Translation
For if Jesus had given them rest, then he would not afterward have spoken of another day.

Weymouth New Testament
For if Joshua had given them the true rest, we should not afterwards hear God speaking of another still future day.

World English Bible
For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

Young's Literal Translation all wrong, Jesus will give us rest and them also(coming)
for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things;

you can't even be bothered to read JOSHUA 21.

here it is for anyone who DOES CARE:
read about joshua in zech.3:8.9 0r all.
Joshua 21
43 Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there. 44 And the Lord gave them rest on every side just as he had sworn to their fathers. Not one of all their enemies had withstood them, for the Lord had given all their enemies into their hands. 45 Not one word of all the good promises that the Lord had made to the house of Israel had failed; all came to pass.

rest for a 1000yrs?
http://esv.scripturetext.com/joshua/21.htm

keep focused on the scriptures only. the source of spiritual knowledge.

''wakeup''.

wakeup · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

are we not walking through the desert now towards the promised
land the 1000yrs kingdom? which Jesus is going to prepare for us??
dont rebel, you will fall in the desert and not make it to the promised
kingdom.

''wakeup''.

zone · Mar 23, 2011

wakeup said:

i'm glad you've learned about Hebrews 4:8 from my posts wakeup.
even if you don't have integrity to say so.

rebel? that warning is for the jews who were LISTENING to the Gospel and in danger of balking or turning away.

i have BELIEVED the Gospel my friend.

the promised land now is eternity.

but you can keep your fairy tale with flesh jews and spirit christians and a church and an israel in a 1,000 year mystery reign on this old earth if it makes you feel better.

just be careful about promising something to people that doesn't include believing TODAY while the offer still stands.

wakeup · Mar 23, 2011

zone said:

Quote: zone

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.this is how confusion starts. jesus is joshua,joshua is joshua???

Quote: wakeup

not joshua; where on earth did you come to joshua? it does appear that joshua the proph. is the rest giver.
this is the purpose: to confuse.

paul obviously uderstood, that jesus is the word and the word was there from the beginning: all was created by the word,the word became flesh and his name is
JESHUAH=JEHOSHUAH: we call him JESUS: he was guiding moses all the way.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

joshuah the prophet did not give them rest; how can he? you are now mixing jesus and joshuah the prophet,(poor you).just to make your doctrine look as the truth.

HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF - JESUS, FIRST ADVENT, THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL LIFE ENTERED BY FAITH:

Matthew 11:28 dont confuse this with the 1000yrs rest.
jesus give us this rest: the 1000yrs rest, we enter in after going through the desert. comprende?
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

Jesus could --give --you rest now also, if you come to him: not come to some learned men.that you admire, respect because of their stature.(wrong way)

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

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exactly:

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
how do you explain this?(notice, first earth.) has this earth passed away??

THIS WORLD is perfect? huh? doing the twist again:
if this world is perfect, then why is Gods wrath coming?
this world is not Jesus doing. its mens led by satan.
christ said it, he has nothing to do with this kingdom: he is just leading his people
through the wilderness,and many will fall away. his work is always perfect,he created
everything didnt he?

i said Christ's WORK was perfect. you said it was not.

unless you have ALL men saved even in your 1,000 years, are you calling Christ's Work a failure?
no i did never say christ failed, many of us failed and will fall in the desert, we are the ones to labour to get in to the rest. the 1000yrs rest.( not christ rest,it is his.kingdom)

you, like the unbelievers of His Day look for an EARTHLY KINGDOM.. ..you said it is
now: i say it is coming. so you are the unbeliever. you are seeking for a now kingdom.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

and he was right, this is not our kingdom as well; our kingdom is Gods kingdom,
coming: you said now. who is the unbeliever here?

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

She reminds me of people who come from a certain church (which I will not name), Everytime I discuss scripture with them they all do the same thing. They are programed, or spoonfed. They are told what others believe, and how to respond to them.

They are easy to see, because they say you believe in stuff you don't, They say they read what you read, yet accuse you of not saying things, when you did. When they are given a question they are not programmed to answer, The ignore the question and give 1000 excuses not to answer the question. Most of the excuses are personal attacks.

It is sad that a church can have this much control over people!.

these are people that defend their church not the truth,the are prisoners of their church.
the church has captured their minds.

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

attention please: the 70wk are fulfilled:
temple destroyed 70ad. gone
abomination will carry on and creating spiritual desolation to the
end.

''wakeup''.

wakeup · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

i'm glad you've learned about Hebrews 4:8 from my posts wakeup.
even if you don't have integrity to say so.
what exactly have you taught me zone??
rebel? that warning is for the jews who were LISTENING to the Gospel and in danger of balking or turning away.

i have BELIEVED the Gospel my friend.

the promised land now is eternity. dont you know this world is going to melt?
unless we are all spirit, we will be charcoal.

but you can keep your fairy tale with flesh jews and spirit christians and a church and an israel in a 1,000 year mystery reign on this old earth if it makes you feel better.
dont you know that we are still on our journey through the desert to reach the promised land? (we have not reached that land yet, but very soon.) but you say that we have
reached it 2000yrs ago.???? without walking through it.
we must labour to enter in our rest. we can not enter without labour.

just be careful about promising something to people that doesn't include believing TODAY while the offer still stands.

all christians must feed them selves with the flesh of christ to build a strong
foundation; or the rain will melt the untempered mortar. and they will fall.

Devolution · Mar 24, 2011

zone said:

Revelation 2:25> But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

We are to hold fast until Christ returns. Since we are having to hold on to what we have till He comes, then it sure doesn't sound like we're in the manifested kingdom now. For when we are in the manifested kingdom, all things will be secure. For in the manifested kingdom, Christ will be (up)holding us forever more through the act of resurrection...resurrection meaning those resurrected are saved...perfected & secure. That secure perfection then holding us in an unshakable condition. And that which is unshakable, stands forever.

Revelation 2:26> And he that overcomes, and keeps My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

So these that overcome the world, these will be given power over the nations...and when will they be given this?.... But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. When He comes is when.
Do we see righteous saints ruling all nations now (in His Name)? IF they were, and Christ means ALL nations, then why is there still conflict? Will Saints be warring against saints? IF the kingdom is now...and since nations are still attacking each other, then that means Christs kingdom is divided...this is what millennium now means...

Revelation 2:27> And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers, even as I received of My Father.

Who shall rule them? And he that overcomes....to him will I give power over the nations:
Under who's authority? will I give power...(Jesus)
Who are them being ruled? power over the nations
Where are nations? In the world.
And will these nations be Christians? shall they be broken to shivers..
Broken to shivers? And he shall rule them...
Are those who are Christs at His coming to be broken into shivers? Of course not.
So exactly who is to be broken? Psalm 149:7-9>To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people, To bind their KINGS with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron. To execute upon them the judgment written: this honor have all His saints. Praise ye the Lord.
So the power of the ungodly will be broken to shivers: To bind their KINGS with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron.
And who gets their power? Christ does.
When? till I come.....When He comes is WHEN.

So then, these (them) were not followers of Christ Yet here they are alive and being ruled by saints when Jesus establishes the kingdom. Alive even AFTER Christ returns....just as Christ promised the saints who overcome get to rule them... And this a fairy tale?? This is deceit??

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come upon thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour i will come upon thee.

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