"Not by works" - false!

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Chris1975

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The Rapture IS AS MUCH a "Judgement" as it is a "Deliverance".

God is going to do an initial Sheep vs Goat sorting.

Judgement BEGINS at the house of God. 1 Peter 4v17.
 
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EleventhHour

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In your doctrine.
And if you are like most osaser's you can't grasp how there could any other way to look at it than what you believe.
Agree, we cannot because any other way is false!!
 
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Answer: 100 new Arminianists. :LOL:

My point was in regard to your wondering. Arminius started out as a Calvinist, and later realized the errors in it. And you know the rest of the story.
Your sample size is too small (1 person) and you selected a person for whom you knew the result which shows bias. Your observation, though entertaining, has no empirical significance.
 
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I don't know the finer points of Arminianism, so I couldn't tell you if I agree with all of them.
You are an Arminian to the degree that you believe you co-operated with God to save yourself and that you believe you have to continue to save (believe) yourself til your death.
You are not an Arminian when it comes to your unique definition of FAITH.
 
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You are an Arminian to the degree that you believe you co-operated with God to save yourself and that you believe you have to continue to save (believe) yourself til your death.
Do you mean 'save yourself' as in Acts 2:40, or as in 'you earned salvation yourself'?

I don't study theologies. Does Arminianism itself say man earns his own salvation? I'm not asking what you say it says. I'm asking if Arminianism itself says man earns his own salvation.

You are not an Arminian when it comes to your unique definition of FAITH.
Can you link me to an on-line authoritative definition of faith in Arminianism (provided by an Arminian)?
I'm curious what it says 'faith' is defined as.

Just curious, that's all.
 
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Your sample size is too small (1 person) and you selected a person for whom you knew the result which shows bias. Your observation, though entertaining, has no empirical significance.
I know your post was light-hearted and wasn't meant to establish any truths about who will, or will not, entertain either doctrine.
I just thought you'd be interested to know that Jacob Arminius used to be a Calvinist.
I did not know this until recently.
 
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Can you link me to an on-line authoritative definition of faith in Arminianism
Arminians are not monolithic in their beliefs. I am not an expert. There's Wesleyians and Arminians and Open Theists. Use the internet.
William Pope wrote a systematic theology book, but it is a difficult read.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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In your doctrine.
And if you are like most osaser's you can't grasp how there could any other way to look at it than what you believe.
If your not always saved your not secure

I just look at reality not what I want to believe

Way to end with the comment. I thought you hated when people did that to you. Practice what you preach much? I means it a straw man same can be said to you and it equally be as valid

Once again one of your main flaws that gets people upset with you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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OSAS = the Strong Delusion of 2 Thess 2
Osas -= eternal life = eternal security = foundational in Christ and his promises based on grace not of works

You want to earn your salvation feel free I will not try to stop you. But I will warn you