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Okay, thanks!
Yeah when we don't use the reply with quote, and I've been guilty of that many times, it's hard to know who's talking to who.
Yeah when we don't use the reply with quote, and I've been guilty of that many times, it's hard to know who's talking to who.
Sometimes, though, I make posts to the boards relative to the conversation I see going on, without it being addressed to anyone in particular, just addressing the gist of the discussion and adding my thoughts. My two cents worth, as they say. Although sometimes it is pointless addressing particular people, you are certainly not one of them. I will look into what you have said some more... All is good 
[h=1]John 8:12New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
Yes to have eternal life you have to follow meaning you have to work.....
Yes to have eternal life you have to follow meaning you have to work.....
what did you mean by having a drink and a smoke then ? or dont you remember typing that ? .... not saying your a liar or anthing like that so really dont know why you keep making me out to be harsh and all that jazz....
I dont fall for people who play the innocent victim when i have not done anything wrong to you accept speak truth to you..
I dont fall for people who play the innocent victim when i have not done anything wrong to you accept speak truth to you..
Hi Megiddo,
I meant this as doesn't the law still convict the sinner of their sins as a schoolmaster before they come to Christ.
Not now that we've been born again. I think I may have misunderstood your post and you because of that misunderstood mine. I'll go back and read your post.
I meant this as doesn't the law still convict the sinner of their sins as a schoolmaster before they come to Christ.
Not now that we've been born again. I think I may have misunderstood your post and you because of that misunderstood mine.
I'll go back and read your post.
If we are talking about the law of sin and death, that is different...When Paul talks Law he is talking the Mosaic Law...
Gods Law is the very foundation of God's Word. It is the foundation of the Old Testament and Old Covenant (Ex 20:1:17) it is the foundation of the New Testament and the New Covenant (Heb 8:10-12; Matt 5:17) As such we must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. (Matt 4:4) If we break one of His commandments we are guilty before God of breaking all of His Laws. (James 2:10-12; 1John 3:4).
It is the standard in the great Judgement where all of us will be accountable to God for the things that we do in this Life.
Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Psa 9:8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Mat 12:36, But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
John 9:39, And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind
Act 17:31, Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Rom 2:5, But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
2Co 5:10, For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11, Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Heb 9:27, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Jam 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jam 2:13, For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 3:7, But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Jud 1:14-15, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him
Rev 14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
I am just wondering how you can say the above when God's Law (10 commandments) is the foundation of everything that is written in God's Word? The 7th Day Sabbath commandment is the 4th Commandment of God's Law (Ex 20:8-11) breaking it is just as much a sin as stealing, murder, adultery, having other Gods using God's name in vain etc etc. We must follow the Word of God over the traditions and teaching of Man. Sunday Worship is a man made tradition.
God bless you and those who seek to know Jesus through God's Word
Here you go...
Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
No one says we do not need to have faith. In fact it is only by Faith that God puts His Laws in our heart so that we can follow Him through Love (Heb 8:10-12) Faith does not replace God's Law it establishes it in the heart of the believer
Gal 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
No one says we do not need to have faith. In fact it is only by Faith that God puts His Laws in our heart so that we can follow Him through Love (Heb 8:10-12) Faith does not replace God's Law it establishes it in the heart of the believer
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If some of the Corinthians believed in vain, how does that make it so the person who did not believe in vain does not have to hold fast the word to be saved?
All believing in vain does is make the gospel not true to begin with (or inapplicable to you--depending on what you think 'believed in vain' means). Believing in vain does not change the fact that Paul said they are saved IF they hold fast the word he preached to them.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2,14 NASB
1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
All believing in vain does is make the gospel not true to begin with (or inapplicable to you--depending on what you think 'believed in vain' means). Believing in vain does not change the fact that Paul said they are saved IF they hold fast the word he preached to them.
1 Corinthians 15:1-2,14 NASB
1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
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Good to see you on board in the 'works save' camp.
But you and I know that continuing to hold fast the word is not equal to trying to earn salvation but rather the evidence that invariably goes along with being born again (and, thus, why works must accompany salvation).
1 John 3:9-10 NASB
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
To everyone in this thread, obviously, John is not teaching a 'works save' gospel in the above passage. He's simply saying that born again people have works attached to their faith because they have the seed/word of God in them. It's interesting that if I, or someone else says what John says above, it gets branded as one believing a works gospel.
But you and I know that continuing to hold fast the word is not equal to trying to earn salvation but rather the evidence that invariably goes along with being born again (and, thus, why works must accompany salvation).
1 John 3:9-10 NASB
9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
To everyone in this thread, obviously, John is not teaching a 'works save' gospel in the above passage. He's simply saying that born again people have works attached to their faith because they have the seed/word of God in them. It's interesting that if I, or someone else says what John says above, it gets branded as one believing a works gospel.
You ask for the impossible
Isn't it wonderful.
Here's the entire post to which you answer above...:
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Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
Mathew 5 17 can also be translated fulfilled. be truthful fran.
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You ask for the impossible
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Thus, my dear woman, you are once again calling me a liar.
gb9 and I were having a very pleasant conversation and certainly did not need your intrusion.
Now, you may say this is a public forum, but public for WHAT???
Then a read a little further and I see this post by YOU:
The law is for the lawless. The law stands to condemn sinners. Those not found covered by the shed righteous blood of Christ on judgment day will be judged and condemned according to the requirements of the law. There is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. The law has been nailed to the cross with every jot and tittle intact.
The above is no. 20073.
1. Are you lawless?
2. Are you Condemned by your sins? You sin in each and everyone of your posts since they are all lies.
3. Are you following the Law? Certainly not. Then YOU might be one of those Condemned as per Jesus' teachings.
4. The reason you and Others here feel they could call Others names such as YOU do, is because you feel you are covered by the blood of Christ.
BUT YOU ARE NOT.
And Tomorrow I'll be here to tell you why.
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Paul is saying that they are saved unless they did not believe and fully commit to what he preached in the first place....that kind of erases your doctrine here, that people are saved if they only hold fast to the word....You should also stop proof texting the scriptures you use....proof texting makes the Bible say anything people want it to say....