Not By Works

[Stephen63]

A prize is earned and or won.....

Salvation and eternal life are a GIFT......a GIFT cannot be earned and or won.....they are given freely!

1 Corinthians 9:24​

New American Standard Bible
Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.

Philippians 3:14​

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I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 2:18​

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Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

2 Timothy 2:5​

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Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.

2 Timothy 4:8​

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in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Let me give you a piece of advice..... when replying, SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES FIRST, for it will keep you from posting useless, untrue sentences. Then use those scriptures to validate your claims if they are true.

 

[stonesoffire]

Here are the Bible verses...maybe they will make more sense tha, my words.

James 4 ►
English Standard Versio

1What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passionsa are at war within you?b 2You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions. 4You adulterous people!c Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”?

And Paul gives the answer Ariel. We have died and our life is hid with Christ in God.

 

[Stephen63]

Not sure I agree. I think there have been some men who did good and kind works and the world admired them, yet they did not know God and rejected Jesus. I think rather than good and beneficent acts, we know those who are His by the fruits of the Spirit. Even unbelievers have, in the past, fed the poor and funded orphanages, etc.

There's a big difference between good works & godly works!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

is it anger? Or hatred in the heart that's likened to murder? Be angry, sin not.

Good question. I believe my translation says if you are angry with your brother you have already murdered.

I will go look it up.

 

[stonesoffire]

I can remember feeling jealous over something someone else had. Was just a new Chrsitian. Then Holy Spirit rises and I realize I don't want to be this way. I knew it was wrong almost immediately. And it felt terrible.

A new way of living.

 

[Grace777x70]

Keep reading.,, it talks about adding to your faith.,

Keep reading - it says that if these qualities are not growing in us - it's because they have forgotten that they were once purged of their sins.

If we remember that our sins have been purged from us forever - then our accessing the kingdom of God will be abundant supplied to us.

The cutting away of the flesh from the inner man in Christ has removed our sin that is in our flesh from us as far as the east is from the west.

Give in to the flesh where the power of sin still resides is called "doing the deeds of the body". Sin deceives us.

Romans 8:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


Start taking up shooting heroin in our arms and will see this destruction come quickly. ( and No, I am not wanting people to start taking heroin...)

This applies to every work of the flesh - from living a homosexual lifestyle to the slandering of others in the body of Christ , to being deceitful and outbursts of anger. All of them bring destruction and death in some form to all of to us while we are in this flesh.

This is why learning how to walk "by" the spirit is so important to the Christian so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

 

[stonesoffire]

There's a big difference between good works & godly works![/QUOTE)

what is it?

 

[Ariel82]

And Paul gives the answer Ariel. We have died and our life is hid with Christ in God.

Actually James gives the answer...,humble repentance and God's grace which allows you to resist Satan and watch him flee.also the Holy spirit helps you Cleans your hands and hearts.

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6But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” 7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

 

[Stephen63]

? It's all scripture Stephen

No, it's teaching statements also.

Without stating the author's name or website, it inadvertently/purposely makes one look greater than they are.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think you are overthinking stunned. It's when we see the answers to something that we are asking, then faith gets stronger. Roots go deeper with every time we see Gods hand in our life.

I don't think I'm overthinking...
I think I'm seeing hypocrisies and inconsistencies in myself because He is showing them to me.

 

[Ariel82]

Colossians 3 ►
English Standard Version
Put On the New Self

1If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ who is youra life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

5Put to death therefore what is earthly in you:b sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6On account of these the wrath of God is coming.c 7In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. 9Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old selfd with its practices 10and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,e free; but Christ is all, and in all.

12Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 17And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

 

[Grace777x70]

Good question. I believe my translation says if you are angry with your brother you have already murdered.

I will go look it up.

Yes...Jesus did say that. He elevated the law of Moses to show that people need a Savior because they don't really "keep the law" as they suppose.

Even the rich ruler that came to Jesus and said "What must "I do" to inherit eternal life?" Jesus gave him the law.

Jesus was the greatest law preacher and the greatest grace preacher. He gave the law to the self-righteous and grace to those that knew they needed a Savior.

The law exposed the fact that the ruler had actually transgressed the very first commandment even though he thought he had kept it from his youth.

He loved money more then God and had broke the first commandment.

What do we say to people today that say "What must "I do" to be saved?" What is the actual gospel in the New Covenant?

Acts 16:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

[SUP]31 [/SUP] They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[stonesoffire]

Those are good things. The Word renews the thinking. I already said that.

So do them. Actually what I just said is the problem.

Put them on. This is the key.

My favorite is put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the flesh. This is a mantle we have been given. And it means to sink back into the garment (Jesus) so as to take on the personality of the wearer.

This gives me more strength or power to walk in Him or in His Spirit. In His character.

 

[Stephen63]

From got questions dot org.

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist. In short, hyper-grace teachers “pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality” (Jude 1:4) and flirt with antinomianism.

Jesus’ words to the seven churches in the book of Revelation strongly contradict the idea that Christians never need to repent. To the church at Ephesus, Jesus said, “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place” (Revelation 2:4). Jesus rebukes five of the seven churches and demands repentance from them (Revelation 2:4, 6, 20; 3:3, 15–19). Far from believers being unaccountable for their sin, they must answer to Jesus for their disobedience (see also 2 Corinthians 5:10).

Preachers of hyper-grace doctrine discount the Old Testament and the Ten Commandments as irrelevant to New Testament believers. They even teach that Jesus’ words spoken before His resurrection are part of the Old Covenant and no longer applicable to born-again believers. But is this true?

In Mark 13:31, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.” Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He promised that the Father would send the Holy Spirit who “will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you” (John 14:26). If Jesus’ words are no longer applicable to believers, why would we need to be reminded of them?

Hyper-grace teaching is a good example of mixing truth with error. An emphasis on the beauty and power of God’s grace is good, but some teachers are neglecting what Paul called the “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27). For example, it is true that Christians have been forgiven by God. But that doesn’t mean we never have to confess our sin. James 5:16 says, “Confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” If we are to confess our sins to each other, why would we not need to confess them to God, since every sin is ultimately a sin against God (Psalm 51:4)?

Also, 1 John 1:9 gives clear instruction to believers about confessing sin. It begins with the word if: “If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” This is a cause/effect statement implying that we cannot have the second without the first. As blood-bought children of God, we do not continue to confess our sin in order to be saved from hell. We confess and repent in order to reestablish an intimate relationship with our Father. We are “positionally righteous” but “practically sinful.”

To counter this argument, hyper-grace preachers deny that John’s letters were written to believers. However, 1 John 2:1 begins with this: “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” John is clearly writing to believers whom he personally knew. He indicates that his believing friends may indeed sin, and that, when they do, they need to confess it.

Hyper-grace preachers also claim the Holy Spirit will never convict Christians of their sin. Mature Christians should recognize this fallacy right away. Every disciple of Christ has felt the overwhelming conviction of the Holy Spirit when he or she has sinned. Jesus calls the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of Truth” (John 15:26). Truth, by its very definition, will not tolerate anything false. When the Spirit of Truth abides in a believing heart (1 Corinthians 6:19), He brings conviction about anything that is not truth.

In summary, much of what the hyper-grace preachers teach is valid. We are indeed saved by grace, not our works (Ephesians 2:8–9). And God’s grace is marvelous, great, and free (1 Timothy 1:14). However, hyper-grace teaching is out of proportion to the rest of Scripture. Any time one doctrine is emphasized to the exclusion of the rest, we fall into error because we fail to “correctly handle” the Word (2 Timothy 2:15).

Jesus was full of both “grace and truth” (John 1:14). The two are in delicate balance, and a tip to either side can result in a false gospel. We must always compare any new teaching with the “whole counsel of God” and learn to disregard anything that veers even slightly from the truth (1 John 4:1).

I noticed you didn't get any "likes" but mine on your post.

Regardless of lack of likes, it was an excellent post!

 

[Grace777x70]

Anyway - I am off to bed. Everyone have a great night. We have a great salvation in our Lord. we can trust Him in all things to be faithful to us all.

 

[Ariel82]

Upon being born again one does not automatically put to death the flesh(also referred to as circumcision of the flesh) but must grow and learn how to do it by walking with the Holy spirit. Learn to tame the tongue and produce good fruit, tear down spiritual strongholds, etc,

 

[Ariel82]

I noticed you didn't get any "likes" but mine on your post.

Regardless of lack of likes, it was an excellent post!

Lol did you like it cuz she remembered her citation?

Thought your didnt like cut and pastes?

Personally I prefer if she put it in a quote box and gave a summary of what she thought the article meant or even a brief paragraph definition of what hyper grace is.

 

[stonesoffire]

I don't think I'm overthinking...
I think I'm seeing hypocrisies and inconsistencies in myself because He is showing them to me.

??????

You could try try looking at Jesus stunned. See if this helps?

 

[stonesoffire]

Upon being born again one does not automatically put to death the flesh(also referred to as circumcision of the flesh) but must grow and learn how to do it by walking with the Holy spirit. Learn to tame the tongue and produce good fruit, tear down spiritual strongholds, etc,

Yes, but in our Spirit, we are whole.

Do you know that we are a three part being? Didn't think of that before. It took me a while to see it.

 

[Stephen63]

This is a complete lie and no one has ever said that Christians don't repent - in fact people say the complete opposite of what you are saying. This is a prime example of making statements that are not even remotely true and thinking they are real.

And there is no scripture that says the Holy Spirit convicts the believer of sin - He convicts us of righteousness just like Jesus said in John 16:8-9 But you are free to think differently if you desire. I will post about John 16 in a minute.

Actually, some of them say confess & repent, then they devilishly change the meanings of the words, which really means they DON'T teach true confession nor repentance.

Saying Ariel lied is lying & slander..... She got it right.