Not By Works

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this is literally the works of some.. they just marry for you know whatit,,,, the cake.
 
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this is literally the works of some.. they just marry for you know whatit,,,, the cake.
Paul said, "It is better to marry than burn in your lust"....but I am sure you will twist this into a thick gooey pretzel......
 
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its the same for people who want to be forgiven too.....some people just want that in return for something else.. to save them selves that is they only apolagise to save there big pay check...
 
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[video=youtube;VEOjyJ2GBGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOjyJ2GBGE[/video]
 
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;) chuckle chuckle...

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blue_ladybug

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I wonder if the good works of bringing cookies to CC every day for the rest of my life, will get me into heaven. ;) Hmmmm.... LOL :eek:
 
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lol now this is the true meaning of good works and cookies...[video=youtube;itMtPXYRHuA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itMtPXYRHuA[/video]
 
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I wonder if the good works of bringing cookies to CC every day for the rest of my life, will get me into heaven. ;) Hmmmm.... LOL :eek:
Not likely....some will argue the kind of cookies you bring are not the right type......
 

mailmandan

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They are not works of the flesh,for our works cannot save us,but they are works of the Spirit,which the Bible says do not quench the Spirit,and do not grieve the Spirit.
Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for/unto the day of redemption.

Every time we sin we are not led of the Spirit at that moment,and if we hold unto sin we are not led of the Spirit,until we get rid of the sin,and every time we spend money on things that are our wants,and not our needs,and do not help the poor and needy,we are not led of the Spirit at that moment.
1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

With that being said all people that have received the Spirit might not always allow the Spirit to lead them,and if such is the case,then they are in a bad position concerning faith,for if they do not allow the Spirit to lead them,because they want to hold unto sin,or if they neglect the poor and needy when they have the means to help them,then faith without works is dead,for a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit.
In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith" but has no works (to back up his claim). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith. James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. We are saved by that kind of faith accompanied (confirmed, authenticated) by works. We are justified by faith but only by a true faith, a faith proved to be true if it is followed by good works. We are not doing good works to become saved, we are doing good works because we were already saved by an authentic faith in Jesus Christ. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6; Ephesians 2:8-9); yet faith, if it is true, will be substantiated and confirmed by good works (James 2:14-24).

Faith alone-confessing Christ.
We are saved through faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone and not by an empty profession of faith that remains "alone" (barren of works). James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

A person is justified by works,and not faith alone-after receiving the Spirit.
Justified "accounted as righteous" through faith, not works (Romans 4:2-3) and justified "shown to be righteous" by works (James 2:21). The word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith "in Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works.

Harmonize scriptures,and understand what the scriptures are saying,and stop believing falsehood.
It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
 
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Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for/unto the day of redemption.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

In James 2:14, we read of one who says-claims he has faith" but has no works (to back up his claim). This is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith. James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. We are saved by that kind of faith accompanied (confirmed, authenticated) by works. We are justified by faith but only by a true faith, a faith proved to be true if it is followed by good works. We are not doing good works to become saved, we are doing good works because we were already saved by an authentic faith in Jesus Christ. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:2-6; Ephesians 2:8-9); yet faith, if it is true, will be substantiated and confirmed by good works (James 2:14-24).

We are saved through faith (rightly understood) in Christ alone and not by an empty profession of faith that remains "alone" (barren of works). James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

Justified "accounted as righteous" through faith, not works (Romans 4:2-3) and justified "shown to be righteous" by works (James 2:21). The word "alone" in regards to salvation through faith "in Christ alone" conveys the message that Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not on the merits of our works.

It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony.*
AMEN bro............
 

Billyd

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Reading the last few pages here give me the impression that at least one needs to put away the wine bottle, get a cup of coffee (or tea), turn off the computer, go into his prayer closet, and spend some quality time with Jesus.
 

mailmandan

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Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. These scriptures cannot be denied that it is possible for someone to withdraw from the faith,which God will have no pleasure in them,and they withdraw unto perdition.
*Verse 39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

Why do people argue about scriptures that are plain,and faith alone does not apply throughout our walk with God,but when we first confess Christ,and then when we receive the Spirit a person is justified by works,and not be faith alone.
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is through faith and is not by works. Now once again, James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

And that is because some people withdraw from the faith,and some people do not allow the Spirit to lead them at times,in which they err concerning the faith,for they do not have the proper faith,and do not abide by the kingdom,and God,properly,and if they are not careful might get caught back up in the flesh and not get back to being led of the Spirit.
People who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul, which is not proper faith. Shallow, temporary belief that has no root and draws back to perdition was never saving faith in Christ to begin with. Either we are in the flesh and cannot please God or else we are in the Spirit and belong to Christ (Romans 8:6-10).

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
The Jews were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not get arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God -- but this doesn't speak of losing salvation.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
*Notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, yet how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died". In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, [psuche-souls] were brought safely (saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark (Hebrews 11:7).

"Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit." In 1 Corinthians 5:5, we read - I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, (physical death) so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (no second death).

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).
 
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Reading the last few pages here give me the impression that at least one needs to put away the wine bottle, get a cup of coffee (or tea), turn off the computer, go into his prayer closet, and spend some quality time with Jesus.
You got that right bro.....
 
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*Verse 39 - But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is through faith and is not by works. Now once again, James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

People who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul, which is not proper faith. Shallow, temporary belief that has no root and draws back to perdition was never saving faith in Christ to begin with. Either we are in the flesh and cannot please God or else we are in the Spirit and belong to Christ (Romans 8:6-10).

The Jews were in the olive tree to begin with because they were the "natural branches" and not because they were all saved. Because of their unbelief and hard hearts God removed His gracious hand from them as a people overall and broke them off from His goodness (but only for a time after which they will be restored). We Gentiles have now been grafted into God's goodness and are the recipients of His blessings. Paul's warning is that we should not get arrogant because we might lose the goodness and blessings of God just like the Jews lost the goodness and blessings of God -- but this doesn't speak of losing salvation.

*Notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, yet how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died". In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, [psuche-souls] were brought safely (saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark (Hebrews 11:7).

"Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit." In 1 Corinthians 5:5, we read - I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, (physical death) so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (no second death).

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).
More good points made here.....