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Still waiting....How do I live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. :D

If Jesus has commanded me to do something...... I need to know how to do it?


LoveGodForever said:
Hi FranC,

Maybe or I could say that at the end of these scriptures Jesus says on these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets? Did you know Jesus was quoting from the Old Testament scriptures referring to God's Law (Deut 6:5; Lev 19:18). The new covenant is love to God, Jesus saving us and writing His Law in our hearts so that we can love him and follow him.:)

God bless
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Ariel82 said:
I can be sure of what the Holy spirit tells me is true.


I rather focus on what people have right and what I agree with than what I consider false.

I actually think your doctrine is alright for the most part. The main thing I would disagree with you about is that you like to say works is necessary after salvation.

However, it's not because I don't believe people should do good works but because I believe that people should focus on learning to walk with God first before being put to work. I believe we should listen to God and not others and do things to please God and not because of peer pressure. Also I believe wording it that way can cause misunderstanding to some. However if you are grounded enough in the Bible to fix those misunderstanding as they arise, so in truth I don't really feel the need to correct or chastens you because I trust God will do a better job of it if needed anyway.

You always seem to take everything I say as an attack upon you,so I think it's better if we just end our conversation and talk to other people.
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OK.
But boy, would I love to know what you think a "work" is that you and Others have such a bad attitude toward it's being
necessary.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Wouldn't it help for you to quote what it is that you say he says?
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No Stone.

What I'm saying is that JESUS NEVER SAID what Dcon says.
I can't post something JESUS NEVER SAID.

See?

If Dcon says something that is doctrinally wrong,
HE has to prove it

NOT ME.
 
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FranC said:
No Stone.

What I'm saying is that JESUS NEVER SAID what Dcon says.
I can't post something JESUS NEVER SAID.

See?

If Dcon says something that is doctrinally wrong,
HE has to prove it

NOT ME.
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Wouldn't it be better for you to post what Dcon says is doctrinally wrong or have you forgotten yourself what it is?
 
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stonesoffire said:
I don't disagree, but am not sure if we are saying the same thing as to how we hear. This is not confrontational. If you don't want to answer, then please don't. But, we hear His Voice. Is this not the way we are led? Whether through the written Word, or in our very own spirit?

Meaning for situations to know what His will is for our personal life. I would also add it would be confirmed through a prophet but this might be a bit much for some. Is my faith.
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Oh SOF,

Please forgive me as I am not being confrontational at all and I hope that is not what your thinking? I love sharing Gods Word that is all. Maybe some people feel this is confrontational but it is really not my purpose or intent for sharing it. I believe God has his people here and in all places. My guide is the Word of God (Jesus). It is the guide of all believers. Are you asking me if I believe God can guide someone outside of His Word? God normally guides people through His Word is my view but everyone's circumstance is different and God only holds us accountable to what we know and not what we do not know. He is not willing that any should perish. But there will be a time when God's patience runs out.
 
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royalscot said:
when were you told to, believe jesus was god.

For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through himJohn 3


simple fact, you need to believe in the son, firstly,

18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.1 etc
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I believe if someone truly seeks God,then God will save them....when that happens may be different but I have faith that God honors His promises to answer a humble and contrite heart.

He will lead people to a saving faith in Jesus and then they will confess Him as savior and be given the Holy spirit and be born again.

It's amazing to watch God work in the life of a nonbeliever and change them into His beloved children.then you see the fruit of the Spirit grow and watch them learn their place in the Body.
 
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stonesoffire said:
Wouldn't it help for you to quote what it is that you say he says?
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Oh. I'm sorry Stone.

I just realized what you mean.

Dcon constantly says that all we need is faith.

ALL we need is faith.

That works are not necessary for salvation or to keep salvation.

What I'd like him to post is ONE TIME when Jesus says to ONLY believe in HIM (Jesus) and all would be just fine.

Why?

Dcon will never find this verse, because all Jesus did was to speak and teach about how we are to behave and what we are to do to be disciples of His.

Jesus NEVER said to only have faith and we'd be saved.

Dcon will never provide that verse, because it does not exist.
So he should stop saying something JESUS never said !
 
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Ariel82 said:
I can be sure of what the Holy spirit tells me is true.


I rather focus on what people have right and what I agree with than what I consider false.

I actually think your doctrine is alright for the most part. The main thing I would disagree with you about is that you like to say works is necessary after salvation.

However, it's not because I don't believe people should do good works but because I believe that people should focus on learning to walk with God first before being put to work. I believe we should listen to God and not others and do things to please God and not because of peer pressure. Also I believe wording it that way can cause misunderstanding to some. However if you are grounded enough in the Bible to fix those misunderstanding as they arise, so in truth I don't really feel the need to correct or chastens you because I trust God will do a better job of it if needed anyway.

You always seem to take everything I say as an attack upon you,so I think it's better if we just end our conversation and talk to other people.
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P.S.

Walking with God IS doing good works.
Would God let you do BAD works??
 
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LoveGodForever said:
Oh SOF,

Please forgive me as I am not being confrontational at all and I hope that is not what your thinking? I love sharing Gods Word that is all. Maybe some people feel this is confrontational but it is really not my purpose or intent for sharing it. I believe God has his people here and in all places. My guide is the Word of God (Jesus). It is the guide of all believers. Are you asking me if I believe God can guide someone outside of His Word? God normally guides people through His Word is my view but everyone's circumstance is different and God only holds us accountable to what we know and not what we do not know.
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I can sure confuse a person it seems. I wasn't saying you were confrontational. I was saying that if the question that I am asking you seems confrontational to you, then please don't answer. I was asking if you believe you can hear the Voice of the Lord within your spirit.

This is what I am saying is the rhema word. Comes directly from Him and may be through a prophetic word, or in our spirit.

Now others may not believe this to be this way...this is my opinion but also my experience.
 
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Here are several verses, :)

John 3

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.








FranC said:
Oh. I'm sorry Stone.

I just realized what you mean.

Dcon constantly says that all we need is faith.

ALL we need is faith.

That works are not necessary for salvation or to keep salvation.

What I'd like him to post is ONE TIME when Jesus says to ONLY believe in HIM (Jesus) and all would be just fine.

Why?

Dcon will never find this verse, because all Jesus did was to speak and teach about how we are to behave and what we are to do to be disciples of His.

Jesus NEVER said to only have faith and we'd be saved.

Dcon will never provide that verse, because it does not exist.
So he should stop saying something JESUS never said !
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UnderGrace said:
Here are several verses, :)

John 3

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
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Which one of those 3 verses did JESUS SAY???

NONE !
 
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FranC said:
Oh. I'm sorry Stone.

I just realized what you mean.

Dcon constantly says that all we need is faith.

ALL we need is faith.

That works are not necessary for salvation or to keep salvation.

What I'd like him to post is ONE TIME when Jesus says to ONLY believe in HIM (Jesus) and all would be just fine.

Why?

Dcon will never find this verse, because all Jesus did was to speak and teach about how we are to behave and what we are to do to be disciples of His.

Jesus NEVER said to only have faith and we'd be saved.

Dcon will never provide that verse, because it does not exist.
So he should stop saying something JESUS never said !
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But, it does exist and has been posted already. And I know for a fact it's been two times.

I've seen him write that we will do works, but works don't keep us saved and am sure that we "on our team" as you put it believe the same thing.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Here are several verses, :)

John 3

Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
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You don't think Dcon can handle this himself???
Let him try...
:)
 
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The very fact that Paul writes from the revelation that Jesus gave to him, is Jesus saying what Paul teaches Fran.

Why would you deny this?
 
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stonesoffire said:
I can sure confuse a person it seems. I wasn't saying you were confrontational. I was saying that if the question that I am asking you seems confrontational to you, then please don't answer. I was asking if you believe you can hear the Voice of the Lord within your spirit.
This is what I am saying is the rhema word. Comes directly from Him and may be through a prophetic word, or in our spirit.
Now others may not believe this to be this way...this is my opinion but also my experience.
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No SOF

I dont see you as confrontational at all. I thought we were having a nice conversation.:) I was worried that you may have felt I was confrontational as that was never my intent
 
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FranC said:
Oh. I'm sorry Stone.

I just realized what you mean.

Dcon constantly says that all we need is faith.

ALL we need is faith.

That works are not necessary for salvation or to keep salvation.

What I'd like him to post is ONE TIME when Jesus says to ONLY believe in HIM (Jesus) and all would be just fine.

Why?

Dcon will never find this verse, because all Jesus did was to speak and teach about how we are to behave and what we are to do to be disciples of His.

Jesus NEVER said to only have faith and we'd be saved.

Dcon will never provide that verse, because it does not exist.
So he should stop saying something JESUS never said !
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In the grace you are having been saved (past tense] by FAITH......NOTHING MENTIONED ABOUT WORKS
 
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stonesoffire said:
But, it does exist and has been posted already. And I know for a fact it's been two times.

I've seen him write that we will do works, but works don't keep us saved and am sure that we "on our team" as you put it believe the same thing.
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He couldn't have posted anything of what I ask because IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Christians are all on the same team...

I only used that expression because it was apparent back then that some here do constitute a team.

For instance, why are you and UG replying for Dcon?

He's a man, let him reply for himself !!
:)
 
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LoveGodForever said:
No SOF

I dont see you as confrontational at all. I thought we were having a nice conversation.:) I was worried that you may have felt I was confrontational as that was never my intent
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lol I did too. No worries for either of us. :)

So do you believe His sheep should hear His voice? In our spirit?
 
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