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truly truly i tell you no one can enter the kingom unless he is born again you have to recievt the spirit to be in communion with believers in spirit who are connected to the vine..
its simple all tho you are bornagain in a sence you are only born of the spirit at first and not reborn in heaven which as you satan was born of the spirt too once apon a time.. i do wonder tho if dark forces have alway been and we have missing intrerpratation ?.
its simple all tho you are bornagain in a sence you are only born of the spirit at first and not reborn in heaven which as you satan was born of the spirt too once apon a time.. i do wonder tho if dark forces have alway been and we have missing intrerpratation ?.
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You have never sounded belittling ever, and I have seen you come under fire many times, as well you and I and have had lively discussions and I never once felt like you were at all belittling and I am sure I cannot say the same for myself
And you actually write very well and clearly, and I would know because I am sitting here trying to mark term papers.
And you actually write very well and clearly, and I would know because I am sitting here trying to mark term papers.
soo scripture is heresy is it ??
John 3:5
John 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
you can not enter the kingdom untill you are born again...
Tell he who has enterd the kingdom to declare it now what it looks like. blessings again to you all
John 3:5
John 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
you can not enter the kingdom untill you are born again...
Tell he who has enterd the kingdom to declare it now what it looks like. blessings again to you all
Well I would if I could, He has taught me a lot, and we have not always agreed so I man not some blind follower
Thank you Cee
Thank you Cee
true faith is a two way bonding its not a one way ticket for a single person faith is not a once in a life time event like the true meaning of salvation..
Thank you for your response.
There is an overwhelming number of Scriptures that tell us we are dead to the old man.
Here's one:
Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
This is a faith statement. It is a positional statement. We say AMEN to this statement.
Now to address your Scripture.
I agree we are also running a race, but what empowers us to run this race? It is by the power of what Christ did. And the good works He set before us:
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
We run a race for a reward not for a gift. We are giving the gift of eternal life in Christ. The race is for the upward call of Christ.
Phillippians 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Please note:
1. Paul explains he is not yet perfect, he has not yet fully obtained everything Christ has purchased for him.
2. Yet he forgets the past, and presses forward into Christ....
3. So that he may win the prize of being fully formed in Christ!!!
So I do agree, there is a tension, but the tension isn't found in saying my body controls me, but it's found in saying Christ controls me. Paul is explaining the need to remember who you are in Christ not that we can't have victory.
As I shared elsewhere I am not saying we are perfect in the flesh, but we are perfect in Christ. And as we pursue Him we go from glory to glory. Disciplining the body is not letting it be our master, but continually living for Love.
Do you think Paul literally beat his body? I would say no. He is using an illustration here. And we see that because he begins with the story of running in a race for a perishable crown. Corinth was a Greek community. Running for a wreath is what the Greeks would do.
Here's another Scripture for you to consider about this topic:
Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Thank you for addressing the Scriptures and not attacking me directly.
C.
There is an overwhelming number of Scriptures that tell us we are dead to the old man.
Here's one:
Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
This is a faith statement. It is a positional statement. We say AMEN to this statement.
Now to address your Scripture.
I agree we are also running a race, but what empowers us to run this race? It is by the power of what Christ did. And the good works He set before us:
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
We run a race for a reward not for a gift. We are giving the gift of eternal life in Christ. The race is for the upward call of Christ.
Phillippians 3:12 Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. 13Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, 14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
Please note:
1. Paul explains he is not yet perfect, he has not yet fully obtained everything Christ has purchased for him.
2. Yet he forgets the past, and presses forward into Christ....
3. So that he may win the prize of being fully formed in Christ!!!
So I do agree, there is a tension, but the tension isn't found in saying my body controls me, but it's found in saying Christ controls me. Paul is explaining the need to remember who you are in Christ not that we can't have victory.
As I shared elsewhere I am not saying we are perfect in the flesh, but we are perfect in Christ. And as we pursue Him we go from glory to glory. Disciplining the body is not letting it be our master, but continually living for Love.
Do you think Paul literally beat his body? I would say no. He is using an illustration here. And we see that because he begins with the story of running in a race for a perishable crown. Corinth was a Greek community. Running for a wreath is what the Greeks would do.
Here's another Scripture for you to consider about this topic:
Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
Thank you for addressing the Scriptures and not attacking me directly.
C.
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Hi all...Just wondering what is easy believism and hypergrace...I have never researched these things so do not understand what they mean, are they man made twist on Scriptures, i ask this because i see a lot of people speaking against them...The knowledge that i am learning is from my Bible, and i do watch a few pastors from old just to help me a long the way...I made a post yesterday saying that i believe osas but now i am thinking that`s not the term to use because i had never used that term in the 22 months of being saved, i just believed that i am saved because i truly believe that the Lord is my Savior and it s He who is working in me, the Scriptures tell me i am saved, i never questioned it utill i came to this thread, then reading through post i got confused, i started doubting what i had been taught from the Bible, i was fearing mans word over Gods word, now i am settled knowing that i am truly saved, i am not believing this out of fear and pretending, i believe it because it is the truth, maybe one day as i become more mature in the word i will understand why their are disputes about salvation, but for now i just rest in Him, trust, lean and rely on Him, just as He has told me to and let Him grow me ...praise the Lord...\o/...xox...
...praise the Lord...\o/...xox...