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Seohce

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well if you are dead there is no point discussing with you, When you have life from Christ come back and see us again. :)
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

John 12:44-50 Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness. “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
 
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1 Peter 2:16 Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as SERVANTS OF GOD.

This got me thinking. A free man does as he wants. Our hearts are won to love
and righteousness so we want to do good, to help, to serve, to honour our King.

Now when men say this is living under the law, what they are actually saying is
their hearts are sinful and they desire to break the law, not love but hurt, not
build up but tear down.

Ones heart declares where one is as far as law is concerned, in rebellion, ie sin,
so resolved and walking in Christ.

So when people talk so much about grace, they are testifying to failure.
It is like night and day. It is why the law for Paul amplified the rebellion in His
heart because only in love transforming in through Christ could the issues be
dealt with.
I see being under the law as being a sinner.... (meaning)... befor the law was given there where rightouse men... Now where did there Knowledge come from... ? where did there rightousness come from...

I tell you that his ways where allready in place befor the law was given by moses... the ten commandment and the rest of the laws...

Now with this in mind its possible that those who followed Gods ways befor the law was given,,, was not under any law... but under the law of God... so there for its no difrent now if you sin your subject to the law and under that law untill you stop... (simple mathamatics to me)... Just like if you sin daily as a child your mum or dad lays down the law every day until you stop...

Now if on the other hand you dont sin no more and do good works instead.... i would say you are now walking with Gods laws and not the law of the land...
 
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You should pay attention to what YOU say....it was YOU that painted all SB into one group....start calling you the cake master....You take the cake along with ONE other for contradictions.....and your Ark analogy....misses the mark as well.......

NOAH was already SAVED before he built the ark....open your eyes!
so you say,,,,,,, but i say diffrent......

I realise noah was saved befor he built the ark,,, but when he built the ark noah got saved again,,,

Once saved and once saved again... ring any bells..

Now you said you know a few souther baptist who don tclaim water baptism saves.... i said to you a few is not all... so dont dont paint everyone with the same brush.... i then point out that southern baptists have the same mentality as you... but not all.... its you who needs to open your eyes... because you think your one of the special eight on noahs ark ,,, and you think everyone else who agrees with your mentality is aslo one of the eight.... this is the true definition of painting everyone with the same brush... its called false hope and no prayer....:)
 
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Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed in Him, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed.

ASV
Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;

AMP
So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word [continually obeying My teachings and living in accordance with them, then] you are truly My disciples.

AMPC
So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My disciples.

BRG
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

CSB
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word, you really are my disciples.

CEB
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teaching.

CJB
So Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted him, “If you obey what I say, then you are really my talmidim,

CEV
Jesus told the people who had faith in him, “If you keep on obeying what I have said, you truly are my disciples.

DARBY
Jesus therefore said to the Jews who believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye are truly my disciples;

DLNT
Then Jesus was saying to the Jews having believed Him, “If you remain in My word, you are truly My disciples,

DRA
Then Jesus said to those Jews, who believed him: If you continue in my word, you shall be my disciples indeed.

ERV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.

ESV
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,

ESVUK
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples,

EXB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you ·continue to obey my teaching [[SUP]L [/SUP]remain/abide in my word], you are truly my ·followers [disciples].

GNV
Then said Jesus to the Jews which believed in him, If ye continue in my word, ye are verily my disciples,

GW
So Jesus said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.

GNT
So Jesus said to those who believed in him, “If you obey my teaching, you are really my disciples;

HCSB
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, you really are My disciples.

ICB
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.

ISV
So Jesus told those Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are really my disciples.

PHILLIPS
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you are faithful to what I have said, you are truly my disciples. And you will know the truth and the truth will set you free!”

JUB
¶ Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, If ye abide in my word, ye shall be my disciples indeed;

KJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

AKJV
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

LEB
Then Jesus said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you continue in my word you are truly my disciples,

TLB
Then many of the Jewish leaders who heard him say these things began believing him to be the Messiah. Jesus said to them, “You are truly my disciples if you live as I tell you to,

MSG
Then Jesus turned to the Jews who had claimed to believe in him. “If you stick with this, living out what I tell you, you are my disciples for sure. Then you will experience for yourselves the truth, and the truth will free you.”

MEV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you remain in My word, then you are truly My disciples.

MOUNCE
Jesus therefore said · to the Jews who had put their trust in him, “If you continue in · my word, · you are truly my disciples,

NOG
So Yeshua said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you live by what I say, you are truly my disciples.

NABRE
Jesus then said to those Jews who believed in him, “If you remain in my word, you will truly be my disciples,

NASB
So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine;

NCV
So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to obey my teaching, you are truly my followers.

NET
Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, “If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples

NIRV
Jesus spoke to the Jews who had believed him. “If you obey my teaching,” he said, “you are really my disciples.

NIV
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.

NIVUK
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, ‘If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.

NKJV
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.

NLV
He said to the Jews who believed, “If you keep and obey My Word, then you are My followers for sure.

NLT
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings.

NRSV
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;

NRSVA
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;

NRSVACE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, ‘If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;

NRSVCE
Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples;

NTE
So Jesus spoke to the Judaeans who had believed in him. ‘If you remain in my word,’ he said, ‘you will truly be my disciples,

OJB
Therefore, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was saying to the Yehudim who had emunah in him, If you remain in the dvar of me [Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach], then you are my talmidim indeed.

RSV
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,

RSVCE
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,

TLV
Then Yeshua said to the Judeans who had trusted Him, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly My disciples.

VOICE
Jesus (to the new Jewish believers): If you hear My voice and abide in My word, you are truly My disciples;

WEB
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples.

WE
Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, `If you obey my word, you are truly my disciples.

WYC
Therefore Jesus said to the Jews, that believed in him, If ye dwell in my word, verily ye shall be my disciples;

YLT
Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth,
 
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If you remain faithfull you are truly one of his........... end of story southern baptists
 
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Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, `If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth, :)
 
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So Jesus was saying to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word [continually obeying My teachings and living in accordance with them, then] you are truly My disciples.:)
 
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so you say,,,,,,, but i say diffrent......

I realise noah was saved befor he built the ark,,, but when he built the ark noah got saved again,,,

Once saved and once saved again... ring any bells..

Now you said you know a few souther baptist who don tclaim water baptism saves.... i said to you a few is not all... so dont dont paint everyone with the same brush.... i then point out that southern baptists have the same mentality as you... but not all.... its you who needs to open your eyes... because you think your one of the special eight on noahs ark ,,, and you think everyone else who agrees with your mentality is aslo one of the eight.... this is the true definition of painting everyone with the same brush... its called false hope and no prayer....:)

No, actually if you had understanding bro you would realize that NOAH was set apart by the flood which is a picture of IMMERSION.....HE WAS already saved and PETER compares IMMERSION to the flood....the WATER is an identifier and SEPERATES us from every generation which perishes....

WHEREUNTO the like FIGURE<----a painting, picture, IDENTIFIER.....The water separated NOAH from the generation that perished, the ARK pitched within and without is symbolic for CHRIST and his blood cleansing within and without...together they present a picture of the entire gospel and 1st act of OBEDIENCE...

SAVED by faith, justified within and without by the blood and identified with JESUS by IMMERSION.......!
 
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all scripture is inspired by God southern baptists,,,,, but not all scripture is a commandment of the one and only commandment you should follow,,,, like to believe only.......
 
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No, actually if you had understanding bro you would realize that NOAH was set apart by the flood which is a picture of IMMERSION.....HE WAS already saved and PETER compares IMMERSION to the flood....the WATER is an identifier and SEPERATES us from every generation which perishes....

WHEREUNTO the like FIGURE<----a painting, picture, IDENTIFIER.....The water separated NOAH from the generation that perished, the ARK pitched within and without is symbolic for CHRIST and his blood cleansing within and without...together they present a picture of the entire gospel and 1st act of OBEDIENCE...

SAVED by faith, justified within and without by the blood and identified with JESUS by IMMERSION.......!
I do understand that water is the life of God,,, and the flood was justa rebirth.............
 
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all scripture is inspired by God southern baptists,,,,, but not all scripture is a commandment of the one and only commandment you should follow,,,, like to believe only.......

A. Why do you keep addressing southern Baptists
B. Why are you concerned with BATISTS
C. What was John called?
 
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we all need a little sherry from time to times.... Infact Jesus turned the water into wine.. and said drink and be merry on your wedding..:) its a night to remember,,,and also souther baptists... when marriage happens some but not all abide in that marriage... some dont who probably understand this mentality.....some will just dismmis marriage as nothing to do with erternal life.............. really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT THINK SO,,,,THE DEFINNITION OF MARRIAGE IS GODS WORDS AND METALITY OF MARRIAGE FOR LIFE.............................................

He even sets lawS for loveD ones who morn and never comit themselves to anyone else for the rest of there life.. because they say only one person has ever loved me for who i am.... this is a sad reality.... i can only be me and none else.... so therefor we are all diffrent and not all will be the special eight in noah ark... unless what ?................
 
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YOUR A BAPTIST THROUGH AND THROUGH DC.... ps unless they obey his word daily..............now you may fall i accept that..........no big deal right............
 
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YOUR A BAPTIST THROUGH AND THROUGH DC.... ps unless they obey his word daily..............now you may fall i accept that..........no big deal right............
I am nothing like the groups you listed.....nor do I agree with like 95% of what they espouse.....so...try again....and contrary to what you may think of yourself...you fail daily as well....we all do in some form or fashion...WAKE UP from your delusional dream state
 
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ha ok captain :) now should i duck or run for cover or come back swinging my sword at ya lol.... well anyways maybe i do get the spirit of stupor.... its a gift you know..... god tickles your chuckle mussle with a tickling stick.... lol............


now this is of cause delusional but certainly nutty you know....

anyways ill poor you some tea bro ...and a big fat cigar..:D
 
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ha ok captain :) now should i duck or run for cover or come back singing my sword at ya lol.... well anyways maybe i do get the spirit of stupor.... its a gift you know..... god tickles your chuckle mussle with a tickling stick.... lol............


now this is of cause delusional but certainly nutty you know....

anyways ill poor you some tea bro ...and a big fat cigar..:D
Cigar HAHA you probably mean a blunt ;) HA