Originally Posted by
DiscipleDave
'he who believes and is baptised will be saved, he who believes not will be condemned,'
So let me understand your logic, because i believe what the above verse says, my colors are being shown. Praise God. Your colors also are being revealed, you do not believe that inspired by God verse, therefore let us see how you will explain away that verse to mean something entirely different from what it actually says, let us see shall we:
'he who believes and is baptised will be saved, he who believes not will be condemned,'
And there you have it. The verse says you must be baptized, but YOU say "Nope, don't have to be, just have to believe" Does anyone else see how this is illogical.
No it says 'is baptised', it doesn't say 'you must be baptised'. It is belief that is essential.
So let me understand, i am suppose to believe YOU, and not what Scriptures teach? Do you know the meaning of a conjunction word?
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Two separate things here, divided by the conjunction word "AND" Maybe if i put number in the verse it will help to grasp the Truth of the verse.
Mar_16:16 He that 1) believeth and 2) is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
So believe you which teach one is more important than the other, or believe Jesus who plainly told us that BOTH are needed to be SAVED?
God said to me "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG"
God didn't say it to you, You just thought it.
But it doesn't. contradict any Scripture.
Do you take me for a fool? i know full well that Rev 21:8 says and teaches that all LIARS will burn in the lake of Fire and Brimstone. If it comes from me and my own thinking and thoughts, my own mind, and i say it is what God told me. How does that not make me a LIAR? If i say God told me, but it came from my own understanding, my own thoughts, i am indeed a LIAR. and commit sin against God.
There are over 120 verses which teach to "Fear the Lord" or "Fear God" What do you think God would do to me, if i was saying God told me, and it did not come from God? Would that not kindle His wrath against me?
Scriptures in the Old Testament plainly teach that if a person claims something is from God and it is NOT from God, not only would that person DIE, but that person's family would DIE also. So when i say God told me this or that. i assure you that He did.
What? Do you not think i know how ridiculous it sounds to say "God told me ________"? i know that this generation would look at me like i have lost my mind, and listening to demons. i know i will be laughed at, and mocked, and stoned if that were possible today, i am belittled, made fun of, say things to make me cry and worse above all those things mentioned, what i teach will be disregarded because i say it is from God. So then why do i do it, why do i say that, when i know all these things will come upon me, Because it is the TRUTH. It is not my fault, this generation does not believe God is the same today as He was in the past. Not my fault that people today think God does not speak to people anymore. If what i say is contrary to Scriptures, then i am false, a liar, and heading straight for the pits of Hell.
But here is the TRUTH. What i teach, which i say comes from God Himself, does NOT contradict any Scripture, it does however contradict what people of the last days generation believe is the TRUTH. That is why i am attacked, belittled, put down, and the such. NOT because what i teach is contrary to Scriptures, but contrary to what people think is the TRUTH.
No it is you who is taking an option and making it essential
Are you saying what Jesus instructs us to DO to be Saved is not essential?
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
You say that it is the believing that is essential. What then, What Jesus says about being baptized is UNESSENTIAL? Is that what you are suggesting. Jesus plainly tells us to be SAVED we are to 1) believe and 2) be baptised. But you say the second part of Jesus Christ statement is NOT essential? really?
If Jesus says i want you to get me bread and water. You think He what is essential is ONLY getting the bread. But what did He ask for? Bread AND water. Apparently Jesus thinks BOTH are essential because that is what Jesus the Savior asked for.
By saying one is MORE essential than than the other is to change the verse altogether. Jesus seemed to thing that believing and getting baptized for Salvation was pretty important, because guess why? He mentions it for one to be Saved.
You see the Faith ONLY believers Can't understand this verse, if they did, they would have to change their entire belief. and we can't have that, it is easier to change the verse to fit into their belief, such as saying it is the believing part that is essential. Saying it is the Bread that is essential and not the water.
If Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior says "
He that believeth and is baptized shall be Saved" i assure you with no doubts whatsoever that what He plainly says here is the TRUTH. Woe to those who believe Faith ONLY to be be Saved.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave